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Post by asuka007 on Jan 6, 2022 15:22:02 GMT -5
Also the excuse that “the division is too green” for why AEW rarely has more than one women’s match on a show, doesn’t really work now either.
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Post by MrElijah on Jan 6, 2022 15:48:57 GMT -5
Jade's probably the most confused I've been about someone having an undefeated streak since Crimson. Like it would help her in every way to lose matches. Wasn't Crimson billed as Amazing Red's brother at one point? Man, Crimson sucked.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 6, 2022 15:49:58 GMT -5
Them's fightin' words.
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 6, 2022 16:02:36 GMT -5
I'm not against Jade's push or her winning the TBS belt. If anything, putting the TBS belt on her keeps her away from the world title because with her record, that bridge would have needed to be crossed soon.
I don't think she needs these long matches though. She's big, tall, powerful, and there's nobody else like her in the women's division. Book her like that. There's zero need for any Jade matches to go longer than five minutes (preferably less.) Let the other women have longer, more-balanced matches. Let Jade just smash people.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 6, 2022 16:04:18 GMT -5
I don't really mind them going with Jade, she's someone who can capture attention.
But poor Ruby, she came in on such a high and repeatedly gets booked into a corner. Think she looked a dumbass against Britt and Jade had to win decisively so there wasn't really a way to make her look good in defeat here. In an ideal world she'd go down fighting to an unstoppable monster but Jade can't portray that yet. I fully expect her to win a title at some point but doubt she'll never get that initial overness and momenumn back.
Then to top it all off she had a backstage segment to make things worse.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 6, 2022 16:22:08 GMT -5
I do think there is something to the idea that Jade has a certain presence and star power purely from her look and attitude. Jade was the most over woman in the building last night. Her big moves got pops and there were dueling chants for her. She clearly sticks out to folks and for better or worse, they react to her. Now, she still has a long ways to go in terms of her in ring work (which is fair given her experience). But I get the push behind her. Yep, this. Right now it's about AEW covering up her weaknesses as she improves. She can't be having those "Ruby Soho styled matches" because she doesn't work that style. She has to stay closer to the Goldberg/Lesnar/powerstyle matches. Like, she might have the Charlotte Flair height and build but Charlotte has that ringwork which is from years of working which is why she'd be able to work that style of match. Jade's gotta stick closer to the powerstyle matches until she can reach those Ruby matches. Just keep it short and sweet and she'll be fine. I think the big issue with big workers that they have to overwork is lack of mobiliry ans flexibility. Jade is much more muscular and bigger than Charlotte But those same muscles and build can make it hard to work faster and more complex moves
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2022 16:26:03 GMT -5
Yep, this. Right now it's about AEW covering up her weaknesses as she improves. She can't be having those "Ruby Soho styled matches" because she doesn't work that style. She has to stay closer to the Goldberg/Lesnar/powerstyle matches. Like, she might have the Charlotte Flair height and build but Charlotte has that ringwork which is from years of working which is why she'd be able to work that style of match. Jade's gotta stick closer to the powerstyle matches until she can reach those Ruby matches. Just keep it short and sweet and she'll be fine. I think the big issue with big workers that they have to overwork is lack of mobiliry ans flexibility. Jade is much more muscular and bigger than Charlotte But those same muscles and build can make it hard to work faster and more complex moves Yeah I agree with you on that. She's just going to have to hit the ring off screen and figure out what works and what doesn't work. She's still developing.
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Post by markymark on Jan 6, 2022 18:29:06 GMT -5
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jan 6, 2022 18:37:04 GMT -5
Wrong decision. She's not ready; she actually looks quite nervous still in the ring. Cody's first TNT reign established the title; a fighting champion taking on any and all challengers. You had two equally and deserving veterans in Rosa or Ruby who could've been the equivalent for getting the TBS title over in the same way. I'm very perplexed. Unless Jade improves really quickly she's going to continue to be badly exposed. I really see this as being a bad thing for her. She does. Particularly during that roll-up, I was asking myself “is that nerves or just uncoordinated movement?”. It looks like nerves which is weird considering she’s been doing it for a minute by now. I'm wondering if those nerves are what made them call off the top rope Jaded. It really looked like Ruby noped the f*** out of that
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 6, 2022 18:40:38 GMT -5
I really think she'd make a great babyface at some point.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 6, 2022 18:44:09 GMT -5
Yeah for all the intense negatives in this thread directed at Jade or the decision to give her the belt right now and how that could "potentially be a disaster", sometimes shit like seeing her daughter over the moon that her Mom accomplished what she did, is something that trumps discourse for me. Jade's reign will come as will her sinking or swimming with it, as it stands, I don't think the women's division is any worse off with her holding the belt first, I hope she proves peeps wrong at this point tbh. TIme will tell.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 6, 2022 18:54:19 GMT -5
It’s kind of a slap in the face to the other women in a way. The division is not any BETTER with her as champion either.
Ruby is arguably definitely worse off since she lost ANOTHER title match.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 6, 2022 19:01:43 GMT -5
It’s kind of a slap in the face to the other women in a way. The division is not any BETTER with her as champion either. Ruby is arguably definitely worse off since she lost ANOTHER title match. You're getting a bit silly.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 6, 2022 19:08:12 GMT -5
I do think there is something to the idea that Jade has a certain presence and star power purely from her look and attitude. Jade was the most over woman in the building last night. Her big moves got pops and there were dueling chants for her. She clearly sticks out to folks and for better or worse, they react to her. Now, she still has a long ways to go in terms of her in ring work (which is fair given her experience). But I get the push behind her. Thunder Rosa was the most over women last night.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 6, 2022 19:12:58 GMT -5
I'm feeling pretty over it but I do feel like this kind of kills my interest in the women's division for the foreseeable future. Having both titles on unstoppable super heels who are also the only women who are remotely treated like they actually matter is just a recipe for throwing the entire division in the, "Do something else when they're onscreen," pile with Jericho, Lambert, and Cody for me.
Honestly I think it more annoyed me for how much more it compounds the problems with Britt's reign than anything to do with Jade herself.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 6, 2022 19:13:46 GMT -5
It’s kind of a slap in the face to the other women in a way. The division is not any BETTER with her as champion either. Ruby is arguably definitely worse off since she lost ANOTHER title match. You're getting a bit silly. Why? You have all these other far more ready women. Or ones that have shown remarkable improvement. And none of them are “ready” for a title, but Jade is because, she’s got muscles? Kris Statlander is the one that comes to mind as the most hosed in all this. She has everything Jade does, but is far more polished.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 6, 2022 19:33:43 GMT -5
I do think there is something to the idea that Jade has a certain presence and star power purely from her look and attitude. Jade was the most over woman in the building last night. Her big moves got pops and there were dueling chants for her. She clearly sticks out to folks and for better or worse, they react to her. Now, she still has a long ways to go in terms of her in ring work (which is fair given her experience). But I get the push behind her. Thunder Rosa was the most over women last night. I meant of those I saw wrestle live.
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Post by warden on Jan 6, 2022 19:42:56 GMT -5
You're getting a bit silly. Why? You have all these other far more ready women. Or ones that have shown remarkable improvement. And none of them are “ready” for a title, but Jade is because, she’s got muscles? Kris Statlander is the one that comes to mind as the most hosed in all this. She has everything Jade does, but is far more polished. Jade is green and probably isn't ready to be on tv, but the powers that be see Jade as marketable. And why wouldn't they, look at her. She's unique, hot, she looks impressive, talks like she walks and walks like she talks ie she carries herself like she's the best. The in ring stuff she can pick up easily, if she wants to improve that is. Statlander has none of that, she just boops... Yea, Jade has a higher ceiling
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 6, 2022 19:44:56 GMT -5
You're getting a bit silly. Why? You have all these other far more ready women. Or ones that have shown remarkable improvement. And none of them are “ready” for a title, but Jade is because, she’s got muscles? Kris Statlander is the one that comes to mind as the most hosed in all this. She has everything Jade does, but is far more polished. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. Not every new champion is made because the person is "ready". Sometimes it's a means to an end. In this case, it's because TBS are into her and she was brought in to be a big deal anyway. Either it'll fail and they'll quickly give it to someone more "ready", or it'll be success and make a huge star out of whoever beats her.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 6, 2022 19:51:01 GMT -5
You're getting a bit silly. Why? You have all these other far more ready women. Or ones that have shown remarkable improvement. And none of them are “ready” for a title, but Jade is because, she’s got muscles? Kris Statlander is the one that comes to mind as the most hosed in all this. She has everything Jade does, but is far more polished. At this point I also think it's riidiculous that there's a notion that any of the women who didn't win the TBS title first have either been buried or they see nothing in them or they WONT get the title this year anyway. I actually quite like that Statlanders in a feud with Hirsch right now because it's another feud on the women's card they're paying attention to, whoever wins that could be in line for a TBS title shot, same with Deeb/Shida I just think all this fist pumping that a great wronging in the women's division is happening here is absurd at this point. Jade's not a workhorse, but the way they've built her, anyone who take's that belt from her gets a big win over a monster undefeated heel, whether that's Rosa, Hayter, Statlander, Soho or someone else. She's gotten by with raw talent, power, and in some cases some luck too. I'm pretty sure Rosa and Soho showed already she has clear holes in her game, and hell Rosa might've won if not for Martinez. Jade's got the belt for now, but I don't see it lasting a very long time. But to act like all she has is muscles is also imo very absurd. She's not bad on the mic and Sterling helps, she has a standout look and presence, and she IS over with live crowds pretty well as far as anyone has said. Was she my first pick? No. Do I think it's the wrong move if Warner/TBS requested it? I don't know, the reign hasn't even started yet. I'm willing to at least give it a chance though because there is potential here if it can be pulled off. I hope it can.
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