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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 6, 2022 19:55:05 GMT -5
Why? You have all these other far more ready women. Or ones that have shown remarkable improvement. And none of them are “ready” for a title, but Jade is because, she’s got muscles? Kris Statlander is the one that comes to mind as the most hosed in all this. She has everything Jade does, but is far more polished. Jade is green and probably isn't ready to be on tv, but the powers that be see Jade as marketable. And why wouldn't they, look at her. She's unique, hot, she looks impressive, talks like she walks and walks like she talks ie she carries herself like she's the best. The in ring stuff she can pick up easily, if she wants to improve that is. Statlander has none of that, she just boops... Yea, Jade has a higher ceilingOk while I've been somewhat defending Jade in this thread too, can we pump the breaks on that? To say Statlander isn't hot is objectively really wrong for one, to say she doesn't look impressive or doesn't carry herself well is also imo not correct. She has had numerous matches where she has proven she doesn't "Just boop", and it comes off like you just ignored the bangers she just had with the likes of Soho and Hirsch to say that. Statlander is a future champion and well worthy of that notion and praise, let's just put that to rest right now.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Jan 6, 2022 20:02:03 GMT -5
I really think she'd make a great babyface at some point. I said it in the live thread, but that Baby is way too cute. They should have hired an uglier child to play her daughter if they wanted her to keep getting heel heat.
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Post by holyshida on Jan 6, 2022 20:18:14 GMT -5
It’s kind of a slap in the face to the other women in a way. The division is not any BETTER with her as champion either. Ruby is arguably definitely worse off since she lost ANOTHER title match. 100% someone talking sense. If I'm Statlander or Tay and just had the year they've had I'd be pretty pissed if I was passed up for someone that isn't as over or anywhere near as good in the ring. And no it's in no way better with her as champion. If you're into 2 min squash matches then her title run will be right up your alley but considering she's the first TBS champion it needs to be built up and made important, 2 min squash matches won't elevate this title at all. Deeb, Shida, Statlander (who I would've picked to win) Hayter, TayJay or Soho all far better options This also doesn't do Jade any good because she's way overpushed and TK has shoved her down our throats whether we like it or not. The best way would've been to have her lose and then build her up organically with the fans without the burdon of an undefeated streak and 12 months down the line fans would've been on board with her winning the TBS title. Make her earn it and make her pay her dues like the other Women have needed to do. Is that really hard for people to understand
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jan 6, 2022 20:44:17 GMT -5
It’s kind of a slap in the face to the other women in a way. The division is not any BETTER with her as champion either. Ruby is arguably definitely worse off since she lost ANOTHER title match. 100% someone talking sense. If I'm Statlander or Tay and just had the year they've had I'd be pretty pissed if I was passed up for someone that isn't as over or anywhere near as good in the ring. And no it's in no way better with her as champion. If you're into 2 min squash matches then her title run will be right up your alley but considering she's the first TBS champion it needs to be built up and made important, 2 min squash matches won't elevate this title at all. Deeb, Shida, Statlander (who I would've picked to win) Hayter, TayJay or Soho all far better options This also doesn't do Jade any good because she's way overpushed and TK has shoved her down our throats whether we like it or not. The best way would've been to have her lose and then build her up organically with the fans without the burdon of an undefeated streak and 12 months down the line fans would've been on board with her winning the TBS title. Make her earn it and make her pay her dues like the other Women have needed to do. Is that really hard for people to understand Yeah I personally feel if they weren't gonna give it to Ruby, then you absolutely give it to Deeb who can be your benchmark/workhorse champion. Serena as champ would have done the women's division on a whole a LOT of good. In my opinion she's the best wrestler the division has overall, and could be that Bret Hart type champ (even as a heel).
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Post by holyshida on Jan 6, 2022 20:49:44 GMT -5
100% someone talking sense. If I'm Statlander or Tay and just had the year they've had I'd be pretty pissed if I was passed up for someone that isn't as over or anywhere near as good in the ring. And no it's in no way better with her as champion. If you're into 2 min squash matches then her title run will be right up your alley but considering she's the first TBS champion it needs to be built up and made important, 2 min squash matches won't elevate this title at all. Deeb, Shida, Statlander (who I would've picked to win) Hayter, TayJay or Soho all far better options This also doesn't do Jade any good because she's way overpushed and TK has shoved her down our throats whether we like it or not. The best way would've been to have her lose and then build her up organically with the fans without the burdon of an undefeated streak and 12 months down the line fans would've been on board with her winning the TBS title. Make her earn it and make her pay her dues like the other Women have needed to do. Is that really hard for people to understand Yeah I personally feel if they weren't gonna give it to Ruby, then you absolutely give it to Deeb who can be your benchmark/workhorse champion. Serena as champ would have done the women's division on a whole a LOT of good. In my opinion she's the best wrestler the division has overall, and could be that Bret Hart type champ (even as a heel). Facts ^^^^ Can you imagine how important the TBS title would've felt it the Shida/Deeb feud was built around it? If they were giving it to a heel then Deeb is a no-brainer over Jade. If it's a babyface go with Statlander or Tay
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Post by chrom on Jan 6, 2022 21:02:48 GMT -5
It’s kind of a slap in the face to the other women in a way. The division is not any BETTER with her as champion either. Ruby is arguably definitely worse off since she lost ANOTHER title match. 100% someone talking sense. If I'm Statlander or Tay and just had the year they've had I'd be pretty pissed if I was passed up for someone that isn't as over or anywhere near as good in the ring. And no it's in no way better with her as champion. If you're into 2 min squash matches then her title run will be right up your alley but considering she's the first TBS champion it needs to be built up and made important, 2 min squash matches won't elevate this title at all. Deeb, Shida, Statlander (who I would've picked to win) Hayter, TayJay or Soho all far better options This also doesn't do Jade any good because she's way overpushed and TK has shoved her down our throats whether we like it or not. The best way would've been to have her lose and then build her up organically with the fans without the burdon of an undefeated streak and 12 months down the line fans would've been on board with her winning the TBS title. Make her earn it and make her pay her dues like the other Women have needed to do. Is that really hard for people to understand If Khan wants to push someone, he'll do so at the expense of others and won't give up on making them a thing.
Look at the multiple times he's tried to make Scorpio Sky
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jan 6, 2022 21:17:01 GMT -5
Yeah I personally feel if they weren't gonna give it to Ruby, then you absolutely give it to Deeb who can be your benchmark/workhorse champion. Serena as champ would have done the women's division on a whole a LOT of good. In my opinion she's the best wrestler the division has overall, and could be that Bret Hart type champ (even as a heel). Facts ^^^^ Can you imagine how important the TBS title would've felt it the Shida/Deeb feud was built around it? If they were giving it to a heel then Deeb is a no-brainer over Jade. If it's a babyface go with Statlander or Tay You could have Deeb win the title, and go right into next week's match with Shida. I think it would definitely elevate the belt. Deeb is out to prove she's the Professor. Do the same interview with JR, but she's been slighted by lack of opportunity. She's going to beat (I'd still have it be) Ruby tonight for the TBS Title, and next week she's going to destroy Shida. Meanwhile Shida is going to prove she's still at the top, avenge her loss in the first round, take the title right away from Deeb and be the first double champion on top of that.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 6, 2022 22:41:37 GMT -5
It’s kind of a slap in the face to the other women in a way. The division is not any BETTER with her as champion either. Ruby is arguably definitely worse off since she lost ANOTHER title match. 100% someone talking sense. If I'm Statlander or Tay and just had the year they've had I'd be pretty pissed if I was passed up for someone that isn't as over or anywhere near as good in the ring. And no it's in no way better with her as champion. If you're into 2 min squash matches then her title run will be right up your alley but considering she's the first TBS champion it needs to be built up and made important, 2 min squash matches won't elevate this title at all. Deeb, Shida, Statlander (who I would've picked to win) Hayter, TayJay or Soho all far better options This also doesn't do Jade any good because she's way overpushed and TK has shoved her down our throats whether we like it or not. The best way would've been to have her lose and then build her up organically with the fans without the burdon of an undefeated streak and 12 months down the line fans would've been on board with her winning the TBS title. Make her earn it and make her pay her dues like the other Women have needed to do. Is that really hard for people to understand Listen, no one is saying your opinions or thoughts on what the division should be aren't warranted or with merit, but when you lead shit off with "Someone talking sense", it makes people not want to engage with you. I think everyone in this thread has raised fine points for and against Jade, and all you've done is swipe anyone with a differing opinion because Jade doesn't fit your bill, and god forbid anyone want to give it a shot. I think that's kind of shitty to do. And imo Jade hasn't even been overpushed, she has mainly been on Rampage and Elevation before this and won a midcard women's title. An overpush would have been her beating Baker for the world title right now. It's a push, it's a sustained push, but at the moment I don't consider her overpushed, she's never even gotten a world title shot. And she's over with the crowd, so her being shoved down our throats imo is also a debatable take when the crowds have been pretty receptive to her and not rejecting her entirely. And until we actually see the reign take shape, can we stop saying what it's going to be and how she is going to be with the belt? You have been going around in a circle about this for the last day and a half, nothing has even HAPPENED yet, it is six days into the New Year and it legitimately feels like we have people saying no other woman in the division is ever going to get their just due because Jade was made the secondary champion first. Like with all due respect, people gotta take a step back and breathe a bit on this, because nothing is getting solved this way... some people aren't fans, some are, some want to let it play out, it's as simple as that.
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Post by holyshida on Jan 6, 2022 23:28:59 GMT -5
100% someone talking sense. If I'm Statlander or Tay and just had the year they've had I'd be pretty pissed if I was passed up for someone that isn't as over or anywhere near as good in the ring. And no it's in no way better with her as champion. If you're into 2 min squash matches then her title run will be right up your alley but considering she's the first TBS champion it needs to be built up and made important, 2 min squash matches won't elevate this title at all. Deeb, Shida, Statlander (who I would've picked to win) Hayter, TayJay or Soho all far better options This also doesn't do Jade any good because she's way overpushed and TK has shoved her down our throats whether we like it or not. The best way would've been to have her lose and then build her up organically with the fans without the burdon of an undefeated streak and 12 months down the line fans would've been on board with her winning the TBS title. Make her earn it and make her pay her dues like the other Women have needed to do. Is that really hard for people to understand Listen, no one is saying your opinions or thoughts on what the division should be aren't warranted or with merit, but when you lead shit off with "Someone talking sense", it makes people not want to engage with you. I think everyone in this thread has raised fine points for and against Jade, and all you've done is swipe anyone with a differing opinion because Jade doesn't fit your bill, and god forbid anyone want to give it a shot. I think that's kind of shitty to do. And imo Jade hasn't even been overpushed, she has mainly been on Rampage and Elevation before this and won a midcard women's title. An overpush would have been her beating Baker for the world title right now. It's a push, it's a sustained push, but at the moment I don't consider her overpushed, she's never even gotten a world title shot. And she's over with the crowd, so her being shoved down our throats imo is also a debatable take when the crowds have been pretty receptive to her and not rejecting her entirely. And until we actually see the reign take shape, can we stop saying what it's going to be and how she is going to be with the belt? You have been going around in a circle about this for the last day and a half, nothing has even HAPPENED yet, it is six days into the New Year and it legitimately feels like we have people saying no other woman in the division is ever going to get their just due because Jade was made the secondary champion first. Like with all due respect, people gotta take a step back and breathe a bit on this, because nothing is getting solved this way... some people aren't fans, some are, some want to let it play out, it's as simple as that. I'll see how it plays out, she's going to have to get much better though. I just think there was much better options that I've already named and fans wanted to see but TK has went against the majority of fans and pushed Jade way before she's ready, the same thing happened last year when 87% of fans in a poll of 12k voted for TayJay to win the tag team tournament but TK went with ivelisse and Diamanté and I was proved right after Ivelisse was released a few months later, I'm getting exactly the same vibes here that they've went in completely the opposite direction to what the fans wanted. That's a very Vince and WWE thing they've did and the main reason why I stopped watching wwe is because they don't give a shit about what the fans want to see get pushed and will go against the fans at every opportunity. This honestly doesn't seem to be much different and it's honestly turned me off her when 6 months ago I was a fan and many people feel exactly the same as me, why rush it, she would've been far better off in the long run if they waited at least 12 months. She absolutely is being overpushed 100% that's something we just have to disagree on, because her skill level in the ring is nowhere what a champion should be, having the look is not enough. Let me ask you a question? Will you be happy with 2 min squash matches to represent this new championship? That's not how it should be, it should be presented like the TNT title. I hope I'm proved wrong and she gets her shit together and we'll revisit this in a few months where hopefully she improves and has a good reign. I don't mean any disrespect to anyone but I have a strong opinion on this
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Post by Celgress on Jan 7, 2022 0:19:10 GMT -5
My Two Cents - While I think Jade has the look and ring presence down she is not TV-ready in-ring-wise, IMHO. Her last two matches seemed to take place in slow motion compared with other top women's matches. She also looked terrified to me when she was setting Ruby up for the Jaded Avalanche even hopping down from the top rope before she did it. All in all, I don't think she was the right choice for the first TBS Champion. I would have put the belt on Deeb, Ruby, or Thunder Rosa. PS I did dig the Storm cosplay, very nice.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 7, 2022 0:23:06 GMT -5
I think they just need to shave a few minutes off her matches. I really liked her match with Leyla a few months ago and I think that went 5-7 minutes? There's a healthy medium between a short 2-3 minute sprint/squash and a 10+ minute match.
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Post by Celgress on Jan 7, 2022 0:27:17 GMT -5
I think they just need to shave a few minutes off her matches. I really liked her match with Leyla a few months ago and I think that went 5-7 minutes? There's a healthy medium between a short 2-3 minute sprint/squash and a 10+ minute match. Agreed, the longer and more complex the matches the more her weaknesses show.
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Post by warden on Jan 7, 2022 3:49:49 GMT -5
Jade is green and probably isn't ready to be on tv, but the powers that be see Jade as marketable. And why wouldn't they, look at her. She's unique, hot, she looks impressive, talks like she walks and walks like she talks ie she carries herself like she's the best. The in ring stuff she can pick up easily, if she wants to improve that is. Statlander has none of that, she just boops... Yea, Jade has a higher ceilingOk while I've been somewhat defending Jade in this thread too, can we pump the breaks on that? To say Statlander isn't hot is objectively really wrong for one, to say she doesn't look impressive or doesn't carry herself well is also imo not correct. She has had numerous matches where she has proven she doesn't "Just boop", and it comes off like you just ignored the bangers she just had with the likes of Soho and Hirsch to say that. Statlander is a future champion and well worthy of that notion and praise, let's just put that to rest right now. I didn't say she wasn't good looking, but when you size her up next to Jade, come on now, she doesn't have the same presence. It's why Jade has been given the title to run with while statlander is doing stuff on dark. Statlander is a good hand but not someone they see as a headliner at this present moment. As for being a future champ, not sure about that, maybe if she changes up her character whatever that is
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 7, 2022 3:55:58 GMT -5
Ok while I've been somewhat defending Jade in this thread too, can we pump the breaks on that? To say Statlander isn't hot is objectively really wrong for one, to say she doesn't look impressive or doesn't carry herself well is also imo not correct. She has had numerous matches where she has proven she doesn't "Just boop", and it comes off like you just ignored the bangers she just had with the likes of Soho and Hirsch to say that. Statlander is a future champion and well worthy of that notion and praise, let's just put that to rest right now. I didn't say she wasn't good looking, but when you size her up next to Jade, come on now, she doesn't have the same presence. It's why Jade has been given the title to run with while statlander is doing stuff on dark. Statlander is a good hand but not someone they see as a headliner at this present moment. As for being a future champ, not sure about that, maybe if she changes up her character whatever that is Genuinely don't know what you're watching, Statlander has always come off as one of the best workhorses in the division, has one of the most standout looks, the boop is over with crowds, and she has put on banger matches on TV very recently vs Hirsch and Ruby She wrestled for the world title already, something Jade hasn't done, her being on DARK is not an indication the company thinks less of her compared to someone else either, and the notion that all Statlander can be is "A good hand"? Sorry, keep that take, I don't vibe with it at all. Frankly I think this thread is an absolute mess when it comes to takes on the AEW women but I digress And you listed Jade as being hot in your perks of her and followed that up with "Statlander is none of that", idk what to tell you dude, it's in your own quote? Came of shitty to me, maybe you didn't intend that.
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Post by holyshida on Jan 7, 2022 4:38:01 GMT -5
Ok while I've been somewhat defending Jade in this thread too, can we pump the breaks on that? To say Statlander isn't hot is objectively really wrong for one, to say she doesn't look impressive or doesn't carry herself well is also imo not correct. She has had numerous matches where she has proven she doesn't "Just boop", and it comes off like you just ignored the bangers she just had with the likes of Soho and Hirsch to say that. Statlander is a future champion and well worthy of that notion and praise, let's just put that to rest right now. I didn't say she wasn't good looking, but when you size her up next to Jade, come on now, she doesn't have the same presence. It's why Jade has been given the title to run with while statlander is doing stuff on dark. Statlander is a good hand but not someone they see as a headliner at this present moment. As for being a future champ, not sure about that, maybe if she changes up her character whatever that is WTF am I reading?? Statlander has just as much physical presence as Jade, she's a powerhouse that can actually execute power moves properly and combines it perfectly with insane athleticism. Personally I would've made Statlander the first TBS champion. Her winning would've been met with overwhelming positive reactions because she's a great wrestler and unlike Jade has paid her dues and earned her chance at holding a championship. She's had multiple title matches already and knocks it out the park every time. Jade winning before she's even close to being ready has been met with indifference and that's putting it kindly, fans aren't stupid they know when someone is being overpushed
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 7, 2022 6:42:37 GMT -5
I think it would’ve been fun to make the TBS Title more like the IC Title back in the day with midcard workhorses like Deeb, Shida, Soho, etc battling over it, but I think some of the takes on Jade in here are a little harsh.
She’s over, she has an amazing presence and look (better than just about everyone else in the division), she can talk. She’s just a little green in the ring right now so the longer matches don’t suit her (especially against someone like Rosa who can’t really carry a green worker- the slow motion movements she was doing in their match were brutal).
I also don’t think it’s an affront to the others in the division that they went with Jade first. She’s not an embarrassment in the ring or anything like that. She’s solid enough in-ring to have shorter 5-7 minute matches where she looks dominant and it will be a big moment for someone to beat her.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 7, 2022 10:17:28 GMT -5
Apologies if this is a bit much, but I still want to reach through the computer screen and slap anyone who unironically uses "paid their dues" in 2022.
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Post by Celgress on Jan 7, 2022 10:22:03 GMT -5
Apologies if this is a bit much, but I still want to reach through the computer screen and slap anyone who unironically uses "paid their dues" in 2022. hahaha, indeed Storm er Jade ain't ready, brother.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 7, 2022 10:30:53 GMT -5
Also, Deeb and Shida are engaged in a blood feud that's bigger than a title, Tay just had a shot at Baker and has just finished a never-ending feud, and Statlander's kind of just there right now. Like it or not, Jade was brought in to be a big deal and with these things I'd rather they pull the trigger than waste weeks of booking and change plans. There will be other champions. Relax.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 11:41:07 GMT -5
Also, Deeb and Shida are engaged in a blood feud that's bigger than a title, Tay just had a shot at Baker and has just finished a never-ending feud, and Statlander's kind of just there right now. Like it or not, Jade was brought in to be a big deal and with these things I'd rather they pull the trigger than waste weeks of booking and change plans. There will be other champions. Relax. How would it have been a waste of booking to have Jade's first loss come in the finals of a months-long tournament? It would've solidified Ruby as a top face, Jade could've gone back to Elevation for some much needed seasoning, and the belt could be on someone who doesn't wrestle like they're straight out of the WWE Performance Center. Win-win-win.
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