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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 29, 2021 20:30:57 GMT -5
“That last match with Nia is funny because it's full circle. My first in NXT as extra talent was against Nia and that spans a five-year difference. From day one to my last day in WWE, she has been so great. Never have I walked away hurt or banged up or feeling like I can't work the next day. I feel the need to defend her from my point of view because I can't say anything negative about her.” - Deonna Purrazzo Maybe, just maybe, fans are prone to getting an image of someone in their heads that is very black and white and devoid of nuance. Maybe people are prone to thinking something or someone is Good or Bad, and it can't be something a lot more complicated like "a combination of how you were trained and larger size used on smaller, more fragile opponents make it very easy to have a higher percentage of injuries in a sport/performance art where virtually everybody has caused injuries from time to time, and this arguably wasn't treated as seriously as it could be due to some combination of personal issues and spot issues and her own physical limitations and vagaries of fate issues and yes, family connections too but that doesn't mean it wasn't treated seriously at all and we really don't actually know". Maybe there are a lot of ways that people deal with being relentlessly, nastily harassed and one common way is projecting and leaning into it, owning it, defying its ability to hurt you. Or maybe Lina Fanene, an otherwise real human being, is a sociopath that hurts women because she didn't care, a very plausible and not at all cartoonish characterisation. Any problem child the wrestling industry has ever had will have someone making some comment that paints them in a positive light. Her not hurting Deonna doesn't mean she didn't hurt anyone else. And owning peoples' complaints of you is all well and good but when you 'own' the harm you cause by making light of it in public, that's not a coping method I think anyone has to respect or see as a decent thing, no. That's putting out a public face not of strength, but of callousness. Which is all well and good f you want to project that out into the world, but you dont' get the benefit of the doubt at that point, and frankly WWE spent enough time trying to portray her as a role model that I don't think that's the space you want out there in the world to begin with. That's not something you can have both ways. She had plenty of other bile she could have owned. Horrible things said about her body, her gender, her as a person, things totally unfounded and cooked up by internet strangers. She chose to keep leaning into the idea she was hurting people, something people kept witnessing with their own eyes. Not somehting you can spin into a positive. Not something you can take ownership of. Not a way you can hold onto this and be stronger for it. But recklessness. But the harm you caused. Nah, f*** that.
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Nov 29, 2021 20:34:56 GMT -5
No one has ever been so amused about being a failure. “Bro, hold my chianti bro…”
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Nov 29, 2021 20:56:56 GMT -5
Not exactly an official retirement declaration, but it would seem she's hanging it up for now: Probably for the best. Started out pretty late in life, and she never really bounced back from her injury. Na-na-na-na. Na-na-na-na! OH HELL YEAH! GOODBYE!!!
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Post by koreycaskets on Nov 29, 2021 21:17:34 GMT -5
Ah well it is what it is good luck to her.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Nov 29, 2021 21:23:08 GMT -5
nia jax lives in a society, gentlemen
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Post by evilhomer on Nov 29, 2021 21:34:13 GMT -5
I can't get over her laissez-faire attitude towards her history of injuring opponents, particularly considering the nature of those injuries. Virtually all of those injuries were a result of carelessness and recklessness, all things that can be controlled, all things that could be rectified. If it's a high spot going wrong, that falls under shit happens, this ain't ballet. But when you hurl an opponent headfirst into steel steps, when you botch a power bomb so badly that you almost cripple an opponent, when you wildly throw a punch - one of the most basic skills to be learned by anyone who cares about the craft, you clearly don't give a shit about the sport or anybody in it. And to just continue to maintain your persona to garner some cheap heat for yourself, that's just a despicable human being. I could not care less if in reality she cares and is broken up about it, if she really cared, she'd shut the f*** up. Good riddance, should have happened 20 years ago.
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Post by Blade on Nov 29, 2021 21:35:05 GMT -5
Any problem child the wrestling industry has ever had will have someone making some comment that paints them in a positive light. Her not hurting Deonna doesn't mean she didn't hurt anyone else. And owning peoples' complaints of you is all well and good but when you 'own' the harm you cause by making light of it in public, that's not a coping method I think anyone has to respect or see as a decent thing, no. That's putting out a public face not of strength, but of callousness. Which is all well and good f you want to project that out into the world, but you dont' get the benefit of the doubt at that point, and frankly WWE spent enough time trying to portray her as a role model that I don't think that's the space you want out there in the world to begin with. That's not something you can have both ways. She had plenty of other bile she could have owned. Horrible things said about her body, her gender, her as a person, things totally unfounded and cooked up by internet strangers. She chose to keep leaning into the idea she was hurting people, something people kept witnessing with their own eyes. Not somehting you can spin into a positive. Not something you can take ownership of. Not a way you can hold onto this and be stronger for it. But recklessness. But the harm you caused. Nah, f*** that. Would you like some more positive comments about her from her peers in the business, who have a much better understanding of her as a person and in the ring than you or I, random nobody fans, do? Because they aren't difficult to find. Why exactly do you think you are better positioned than Deonna Purrazzo to determine if Nia Jax was recklessly endangering people or not? She worked with her for five years. You've likely never even met her. If Kairi Sane had publically blamed Jax for ending her in-ring career, people here would be more than happy to quote that as proof of how bad Jax is. Would you be posting then about how "everyone in wrestling has someone who'll be happy to savage them publically", given that is exactly as true as what you said and everyone knows it? Cagematch lists 474 matches that Nia Jax participated in. Percentage-wise, how many of them did she injure an opponent through accident (or reckless sociopathy, in the minds of some)? (The answer is: a small percentage.) Now, how many of them were with opponents she could have injured through reckless sociopathy had she, for instance, deliberately thrown someone as hard as she could? (The answer is: every single one.) Many on this board were utterly convinced Seth Rollins was recklessly endangering people too, was unsafe in the ring, and should be fired for it. But it turns out he actually just had a run of bad luck in a long career that led to a higher than usual number of injuries for a period, and then it stopped. I saw many people say many of the same things about Rollins that they did and do about Nia. Rarely have I ever seen somebody later walk it back or admit they were wrong. As for what she says online: Bluntly, you can say "You should react better when you are constantly being harassed and insulted and torn down by the Internet Hate Machine" all you like. I think you are putting the blame in the wrong place.
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Post by Blade on Nov 29, 2021 21:47:28 GMT -5
I can't get over her laissez-faire attitude towards her history of injuring opponents I could not care less if in reality she cares and is broken up about it Hmm. If it's a high spot going wrong, that falls under shit happens, this ain't ballet. But when you hurl an opponent headfirst into steel steps, when you botch a power bomb so badly that you almost cripple an opponent, when you wildly throw a punch - one of the most basic skills to be learned by anyone who cares about the craft, you clearly don't give a shit about the sport or anybody in it. If you named three wrestlers you like, there's a pretty good chance I'd have the sad news for you that at least two of them "clearly don't give a shit about the sport or anybody in it", by your stated definition of "having ever injured someone by hurling them into steel steps, botching a power bomb, or throwing a wild punch". But I'm sure you'd say, in their case, that it's different.
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Nov 29, 2021 22:14:12 GMT -5
She is 100% going to show up somewhere once she’s able to…..typical wrestling tweet in these situations.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 29, 2021 22:27:04 GMT -5
Her knees were shot, so it's for the best that she retires. Nia needs to stop joking about injuring other women, though. It sounds sociopathic. Best case scenario, it's just her knowing that it's the very first thing coming in the replies, or a fat joke, and is trying to make the joke before they can, but, obviously, it rubs people the wrong way, myself included. Definitely ill-advised.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Nov 29, 2021 23:47:03 GMT -5
She seems like a sweet person outside of wrestling, so it baffles me why she leans into this kind of stuff. I'm sure asshats on social media probably are over the top and harass her over it, so maybe it's a preverbial middle finger to them or something.
All that said, yeah I'm not overly sad she's seemingly retired. She had promise before she was brought up, but like so many others her development was stunted by wwe bringing someone up too early. Wondering how much could have been avoided has she more time to develop. But regardless, she injured too many people too many times for me to be too broken up about this.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Nov 30, 2021 0:08:58 GMT -5
The f**kin idiot injured (who I can remember at the top of my head) Ember Moon, Charlotte Flair, Becky Lynch, Bayley, Zelina Vega, Dana Brooke, Kairi Sane, Mandy Rose, and even R-Truth.
She was a walking disaster and deserved to be released for her incompetence a long time ago. Even Ember Moons husband called her out about it. R-Truth was said to be hot about what she did to him at the Royal Rumble to take his spot which I think she threw him face first into the barricade.
I do feel bad for those who have mental illnesses but her laughing about injuring people is a big "Well F**k You and The Horse Whose Back You Broke While Riding It Into The Room" and makes me not give a shit about anything she has to say. Good riddance and stay away from anything wrestling related
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 30, 2021 0:32:32 GMT -5
I don't really know what to think about Nia anymore. I mean one hand she injured a lot of people. One or two ok maybe you can give her the benefit of the doubt and say it was just freak accidents. However when it five, six, seven or however many it's been then it's a case of someone being unsafe. However yet when it comes to her peers it seems like everyone really liked her and loved working with her so I don't know. It's really strange. I guess maybe she was someone who was a nice person and easy to work with as far putting a match together goes but didn't know her own size and strength which could lead her injuring people. She is 100% going to show up somewhere once she’s able to…..typical wrestling tweet in these situations. It will be interesting. On one hand she definitely has name value as she was on WWE TV for like six years and was pushed and prominent for all of it. On the other hand she's 37, has two surgically repaired knees, and has a reputation for being dangerous to work with. To me she's kind of one of those people like Braun where you can't really see them anywhere else but WWE. I guess maybe Impact would pick her up. I don't see AEW signing her. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if she's back in WWE in a year. Vince loves her and I can see him bringing her back to be the big giant heel. I'm not sold that they are that into Doudrop.
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Post by mistery on Nov 30, 2021 0:35:46 GMT -5
I don't really know what to think about Nia anymore. I mean one hand she injured a lot of people. One or two ok maybe you can give her the benefit of the doubt and say it was just freak accidents. However when it five, six, seven or however many it's been then it's a case of someone being unsafe. However yet when it comes to her peers it seems like everyone really liked her and loved working with her so I don't know. It's really strange. I guess maybe she was someone who was a nice person and easy to work with as far putting a match together goes but didn't know her own size and strength which could lead her injuring people. She is 100% going to show up somewhere once she’s able to…..typical wrestling tweet in these situations. It will be interesting. On one hand she definitely has name value as she was on WWE TV for like six years and was pushed and prominent for all of it. On the other hand she's 37, has two surgically repaired knees, and has a reputation for being dangerous to work with. To me she's kind of one of those people like Braun where you can't really see them anywhere else but WWE. I guess maybe Impact would pick her up. I don't see AEW signing her. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if she's back in WWE in a year. Vince loves her and I can see him bringing her back to be the big giant heel. I'm not sold that they are that into Doudrop. Nah. Nia is likely never coming back to WWE. Especially with her refusal to get vaccinated.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 30, 2021 0:48:28 GMT -5
I don't really know what to think about Nia anymore. I mean one hand she injured a lot of people. One or two ok maybe you can give her the benefit of the doubt and say it was just freak accidents. However when it five, six, seven or however many it's been then it's a case of someone being unsafe. However yet when it comes to her peers it seems like everyone really liked her and loved working with her so I don't know. It's really strange. I guess maybe she was someone who was a nice person and easy to work with as far putting a match together goes but didn't know her own size and strength which could lead her injuring people. It will be interesting. On one hand she definitely has name value as she was on WWE TV for like six years and was pushed and prominent for all of it. On the other hand she's 37, has two surgically repaired knees, and has a reputation for being dangerous to work with. To me she's kind of one of those people like Braun where you can't really see them anywhere else but WWE. I guess maybe Impact would pick her up. I don't see AEW signing her. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if she's back in WWE in a year. Vince loves her and I can see him bringing her back to be the big giant heel. I'm not sold that they are that into Doudrop. Nah. Nia is likely never coming back to WWE. Especially with her refusal to get vaccinated. She can always change her mind. I guess Sasha was anti vax too and then changed her tune when push came to shove. Maybe after a year or so of not making WWE money Nia will be more willing to get vaccinated and they will be willing to bring her back. I mean I don't get why they would bring her back as to me it's time to move on and it wouldn't be worth it with all she's got going against her but Vince likes her. I mean they brought back Eva Marie for god sakes probably solely for Vince having a hard on for her. If Vince likes you he'll always bring you back.
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Post by Perd on Nov 30, 2021 0:53:29 GMT -5
Some say she never really started.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 30, 2021 1:01:35 GMT -5
Any problem child the wrestling industry has ever had will have someone making some comment that paints them in a positive light. Her not hurting Deonna doesn't mean she didn't hurt anyone else. And owning peoples' complaints of you is all well and good but when you 'own' the harm you cause by making light of it in public, that's not a coping method I think anyone has to respect or see as a decent thing, no. That's putting out a public face not of strength, but of callousness. Which is all well and good f you want to project that out into the world, but you dont' get the benefit of the doubt at that point, and frankly WWE spent enough time trying to portray her as a role model that I don't think that's the space you want out there in the world to begin with. That's not something you can have both ways. She had plenty of other bile she could have owned. Horrible things said about her body, her gender, her as a person, things totally unfounded and cooked up by internet strangers. She chose to keep leaning into the idea she was hurting people, something people kept witnessing with their own eyes. Not somehting you can spin into a positive. Not something you can take ownership of. Not a way you can hold onto this and be stronger for it. But recklessness. But the harm you caused. Nah, f*** that. Would you like some more positive comments about her from her peers in the business, who have a much better understanding of her as a person and in the ring than you or I, random nobody fans, do? Because they aren't difficult to find. Why exactly do you think you are better positioned than Deonna Purrazzo to determine if Nia Jax was recklessly endangering people or not? She worked with her for five years. You've likely never even met her. If Kairi Sane had publically blamed Jax for ending her in-ring career, people here would be more than happy to quote that as proof of how bad Jax is. Would you be posting then about how "everyone in wrestling has someone who'll be happy to savage them publically", given that is exactly as true as what you said and everyone knows it? Cagematch lists 474 matches that Nia Jax participated in. Percentage-wise, how many of them did she injure an opponent through accident (or reckless sociopathy, in the minds of some)? (The answer is: a small percentage.) Now, how many of them were with opponents she could have injured through reckless sociopathy had she, for instance, deliberately thrown someone as hard as she could? (The answer is: every single one.) Many on this board were utterly convinced Seth Rollins was recklessly endangering people too, was unsafe in the ring, and should be fired for it. But it turns out he actually just had a run of bad luck in a long career that led to a higher than usual number of injuries for a period, and then it stopped. I saw many people say many of the same things about Rollins that they did and do about Nia. Rarely have I ever seen somebody later walk it back or admit they were wrong. As for what she says online: Bluntly, you can say "You should react better when you are constantly being harassed and insulted and torn down by the Internet Hate Machine" all you like. I think you are putting the blame in the wrong place. Okay for one I'm not saying that bolded stuff at all so don't put words in my mouth. Deonna didn't get hurt against Nia, that is her own personal experience. That's it. It's one person's supportive statement about her being safe. I can point to when Ember Moon's husband called her an 'unsafe moron'. Is either definitive? No. But it means that there isn't a cut-and-dry simplicity to one person's account. But here's the big thing though. Let's say everybody who got hurt in a Nia Jax match was not hurt through her sloppiness but just an earnest in-ring mistake, because I actually don't care nearly as much about legislating intent or who's whyu she got hurt. She's still making jokes about it publicly. The safety of her opponents, the people she's supposed to be taking great care of, is just there for her to crack wise about. It doesn't need to be antisocial personality disorder for it to still be kinda f***ed up. Accidents happen in wrestling, wrestlers get hurt. But most of them have the decency and professionalism to not repeatedly joke about it on the internet and frankly it's weird that this specifically is being treated like a contentious point. Seth is actually a good example. Seth injured Finn with a buckle bomb on the barricade and injured Sting. Sting later said that injury was bound to happen on some bump and commended Seth as an amazing worker, but maybe more importantly, Seth cooled it heavily on the buckle bomb and to my knowledge has stopped doing it into the barricade altogether, which is what messed up Finn's shoulder. He took the move out of rotation and worked safer. And to my knowledge he also didn't laugh about injures on twitter. That's a point in his favour for me. As for the last point, doing something in response to hate or even trauma does not absolve that action. I can understand she's being harassed on the internet and still think it is a horribly poor taste and shitty thing to joke about even if it's out of some misplaced desire to 'own' their criticisms, because other people got hurt because of those mistakes, and I think that joking about the significant hurt you inflicted on someone by accident or not is a shitty thing to do. That's not a one-or-the-other thing. The harassers are wrong for one thing, she's wrong for another.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 30, 2021 1:05:19 GMT -5
Any problem child the wrestling industry has ever had will have someone making some comment that paints them in a positive light. Her not hurting Deonna doesn't mean she didn't hurt anyone else. And owning peoples' complaints of you is all well and good but when you 'own' the harm you cause by making light of it in public, that's not a coping method I think anyone has to respect or see as a decent thing, no. That's putting out a public face not of strength, but of callousness. Which is all well and good f you want to project that out into the world, but you dont' get the benefit of the doubt at that point, and frankly WWE spent enough time trying to portray her as a role model that I don't think that's the space you want out there in the world to begin with. That's not something you can have both ways. She had plenty of other bile she could have owned. Horrible things said about her body, her gender, her as a person, things totally unfounded and cooked up by internet strangers. She chose to keep leaning into the idea she was hurting people, something people kept witnessing with their own eyes. Not somehting you can spin into a positive. Not something you can take ownership of. Not a way you can hold onto this and be stronger for it. But recklessness. But the harm you caused. Nah, f*** that. Would you like some more positive comments about her from her peers in the business, who have a much better understanding of her as a person and in the ring than you or I, random nobody fans, do? Because they aren't difficult to find. Why exactly do you think you are better positioned than Deonna Purrazzo to determine if Nia Jax was recklessly endangering people or not? She worked with her for five years. You've likely never even met her. If Kairi Sane had publically blamed Jax for ending her in-ring career, people here would be more than happy to quote that as proof of how bad Jax is. Would you be posting then about how "everyone in wrestling has someone who'll be happy to savage them publically", given that is exactly as true as what you said and everyone knows it? Cagematch lists 474 matches that Nia Jax participated in. Percentage-wise, how many of them did she injure an opponent through accident (or reckless sociopathy, in the minds of some)? (The answer is: a small percentage.) Now, how many of them were with opponents she could have injured through reckless sociopathy had she, for instance, deliberately thrown someone as hard as she could? (The answer is: every single one.) Many on this board were utterly convinced Seth Rollins was recklessly endangering people too, was unsafe in the ring, and should be fired for it. But it turns out he actually just had a run of bad luck in a long career that led to a higher than usual number of injuries for a period, and then it stopped. I saw many people say many of the same things about Rollins that they did and do about Nia. Rarely have I ever seen somebody later walk it back or admit they were wrong. As for what she says online: Bluntly, you can say "You should react better when you are constantly being harassed and insulted and torn down by the Internet Hate Machine" all you like. I think you are putting the blame in the wrong place. Please explain why Deonna Purrazzo's single account covers every single match in Nia's career. Please provide a quote of every single person she injured saying, "Nah, Nia didn't do that", because that's the only way to justify her behavior. You are wrong here.
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Post by Demented on Nov 30, 2021 1:09:55 GMT -5
Let us all remember Nia's greatest moments in her wrestling career.
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Post by Blade on Nov 30, 2021 1:45:59 GMT -5
Please explain why Deonna Purrazzo's single account covers every single match in Nia's career. Please provide a quote of every single person she injured saying, "Nah, Nia didn't do that", because that's the only way to justify her behavior. You are wrong here. If she is a such a reckless, unsafe worker, doesn't it seem just a wee bit odd that a peer could work with her repeatedly over a period of five years and never be injured or even banged up from doing so? Why, it's almost as if in the vast majority of her matches she didn't injure anyone, and indeed was trying not to injure anyone. Which is almost as if there's something more complicated going on than "she's reckless".
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