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Post by Cyno on Dec 22, 2021 15:09:02 GMT -5
Anecdotal evidence suggests that Omicron is far milder than other COVID variants, especially if you're vaccinated. It's probably why, in spite of it being far more transmissible, almost all reported cases have been mild if not asymptomatic. It's a good sign that COVID is following the usual gameplan for a lot of viral mutations: become weaker in order to spread and reproduce easier.
That said, Delta's still out there, too, and is still very dangerous.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 22, 2021 15:12:00 GMT -5
Anecdotal evidence suggests that Omicron is far milder than other COVID variants, especially if you're vaccinated. It's probably why, in spite of it being far more transmissible, almost all reported cases have been mild if not asymptomatic. It's a good sign that COVID is following the usual gameplan for a lot of viral mutations: become weaker in order to spread and reproduce easier. That said, Delta's still out there, too, and is still very dangerous. And there’s always the concern that Delta and Omicron could go the MegaPowers route and become a new variant that is super transmissible and dangerous.
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Post by cornettesracket on Dec 22, 2021 15:12:37 GMT -5
Not shocked at all. This new variant is transmissible as f*** and many sports leagues around the world and Christmas and New Years plans are being cancelled. I’d be very surprised if WWE is the only wrestling company impacted.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 22, 2021 15:18:00 GMT -5
So am I. It’s been said that the people who REFUSE to get vaccinated are the cause of why this pandemic isn’t in the rear view mirror. I don’t know if that’s true or not. Absolutely. We would be on easy street if everyone who could get vaccinated would. Then we could get surplus vaccines to the countries that these variants are developing in.
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Post by mistery on Dec 22, 2021 15:27:19 GMT -5
So am I. It’s been said that the people who REFUSE to get vaccinated are the cause of why this pandemic isn’t in the rear view mirror. I don’t know if that’s true or not. That's pretty much the case, yes. If you are unvaccinated, you are something like 30x more likely to catch the Omicrom variant than someone who is vaccinated, and also the virus mutates much more easily in unvaccinated people than it does in those who are vaccinated.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 22, 2021 16:21:55 GMT -5
So am I. It’s been said that the people who REFUSE to get vaccinated are the cause of why this pandemic isn’t in the rear view mirror. I don’t know if that’s true or not. That's pretty much the case, yes. If you are unvaccinated, you are something like 30x more likely to catch the Omicrom variant than someone who is vaccinated, and also the virus mutates much more easily in unvaccinated people than it does in those who are vaccinated. And that's only for some age groups; for older folks it's multiple times higher risks, and, most importantly, astronomically increased chances of hospitalization or death. When hospitalization rates rise you also get increased deaths for other causes; people who might need the ER for something like, say, a car accident or a heart attack suddenly can't access timely care, causing a spike in overall excess deaths. The virus would still be mutating even if the US and the EU were 100% vaccinated, given that it's global and that's just how things work once we're talking worldwide infection, but the severity level and the speed with which it's mutating definitely gets a boost when a big chunk of the population refuses to get the shots. The good news is that it appears we might be going beyond anecdotal evidence that Omicron is less deadly than Delta; studies out of South Africa and Scotland indicate a greatly reduced levels of severe cases, like in the area of 70%-80%. Caveats abound, though: those are studies limited to particular countries with their own particular age and health demographics, pre-existing levels of COVID exposure, etc. In addition, given just how transmissible Omicron is it's possible that it can spread to so many people that even with a 70%-80% reduction in severe cases we could still end up with a similar number of people in hospitals. Again, all of that just really needs to drive home how important vaccinating is: people with two shots of Moderna or Pfizer (talking US, here) are largely protected from severe illness, and people with boosters have great odds of avoiding symptoms altogether, so if we get to better vaccination levels it's possible (read: not definite) that Omicron just becomes an inconvenience we live with rather than something stopping the world every few weeks. One more bit of good news: researchers at Walter Reed believe they might have developed a vaccine that protects against all current strains of COVID, previous viruses that come from a similar lineage, and would likely protect against most future variations. Still early on that, but best believe they're going to pour resources into seeing if this one can really do the trick.
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Post by Main Event Mark on Dec 22, 2021 17:46:31 GMT -5
When they mentioned a while back that the finals of the RK Bro-nament would be "delayed 2 weeks due to injury" I assumed it was Covid related. That may not be the case, but no surprise there would be cases.
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Post by markymark on Dec 22, 2021 17:52:31 GMT -5
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Post by papagiorgio on Dec 22, 2021 17:54:45 GMT -5
There's a decent chance that if things get worse, WWE is going back to the thunderdome. Or maybe they'll venue shop, run the few states that resist more safety measures, and people will get very sick. But the fact they're running untelevised events right now is goddamn wild to me. Stop those. I don't think that will be necessary. I live in NYC which took a while to fully reopen and is now dealing heavily with Omicron and our local officials have made it pretty clear that we're not planning on shutting things down. Now I can see other venues implementing vaccine requirements and reinstituting/enforcing mask mandates but unless the deaths in this country start getting significantly worse, I don't think we're going back to arenas shutting down. Also, most cities won't be near as restrictive as NYC. This country won't shut down again particularly for a mild variant. At some point, we'll just need to learn to live with it like the flu. If you are vacinnated and healthy, you have little to fear. I went to a WWE house show this past weekend. I will say I thought it was dumb that wrestlers were taking pics and slapping hands with fans at ringside. You see that some on AEW and WWE live tv as well.
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 22, 2021 18:17:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean, this is the unfortunate outcome of keeping on with life in a pandemic. For me personally, I have Royal Rumble tickets, I'll have my booster by then, I'll be masked, and I'll have sanitizer. Hopefully things can happen as planned.
...I confess the sanitizer is something I did before COVID. Shows be gross.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Dec 22, 2021 18:21:40 GMT -5
At this point, I don't think it's wise to cross the border into Canada for those shows. The hearsay was the Warriors didn't want to bother crossing the border and getting stuck quarantining in Canada. If those shows go on, I wouldn't be surprised if the A level talent pull out of the shows. It's basically a loss leader at this point.
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Post by MiLB Fan on Dec 22, 2021 19:52:20 GMT -5
I have a ticket to next Tuesday’s show, so it’ll be interesting to see what we get. Assuming it goes on as planned, I’ll report back.
WWE’s developmental talent possibly working the event? Aaah, it’ll be just like the old days when the company used its house shows to test out new gimmicks or wrestlers. Of course, they weren’t as well known as the future stars of today are.
Coincidentally, NXT wrestlers appeared at a show I attended in December 2014. Tyler Breeze, Sasha Banks, and Charlotte Flair participated; remember that they weren’t officially on the main roster yet.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 22, 2021 19:56:22 GMT -5
Considering there has been a ton of indie talent testing positive in the last week and a half, I'm not surprised that WWE talent is also dealing with the Omicron wave.
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Post by Ozman on Dec 22, 2021 23:34:11 GMT -5
Will this lead to the return of the Thunderdome?
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Post by neilc on Dec 23, 2021 1:34:31 GMT -5
I'm going to that show, too, and I live in Bergen County. I went to the Rock before Omicron in early November for a Devils game, and they were checking everyone's vaccine cards as they came in, and I think if you didn't have one, you had to mask up. I don't think that will be necessary. I live in NYC which took a while to fully reopen and is now dealing heavily with Omicron and our local officials have made it pretty clear that we're not planning on shutting things down. Now I can see other venues implementing vaccine requirements and reinstituting/enforcing mask mandates but unless the deaths in this country start getting significantly worse, I don't think we're going back to arenas shutting down. The positive compared with last year is the number of people who are vaccinated; Omicron can get past even a full vaccination, but the impact on the infected person should then be minimal or even fully asymptomatic. A booster shot makes the impact even lower; hopefully more people are getting the message that a booster is incredibly important right now and go out and get one. That doesn't mean precautions shouldn't be taken; I know in my own family we're calling off most of our extended family Christmas activities even though nearly all of us are double-vaccinated and boosted, because we have small kids in the family who are too young for shots of their own and we don't want to take any needless risks with their health. I hope that WWE, AEW, and other promotions play it smart, even if they have fully vaccinated rosters. Thing is, though, you just know not everyone on any company's roster is fully vaccinated, and Omicron, while potentially less virulent than Delta, just spreads so much more easily that there's a ton of risk there particularly for those without any protection. The thing to keep an eye on is hospitalizations, region by region. I'm in northern New Jersey and we're in a similar boat to NYC: numbers are up, but hospitalizations aren't getting out of hand due to us having pretty solid vaccination rates. This hopefully means that things should be ok; I have tickets to the 1/5 Dynamite in Newark and would really hate to see another delayed show happen, but if we keep our numbers around where they are now there's hope that it should be able to happen (though I'll be wearing a mask for the whole show, I'm thinking). What absolutely should be happening now, though, is venues and cities demanding proof of vaccination for indoor activities. Lack of that around here is bugging me.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 23, 2021 5:59:07 GMT -5
I'm going to that show, too, and I live in Bergen County. I went to the Rock before Omicron in early November for a Devils game, and they were checking everyone's vaccine cards as they came in, and I think if you didn't have one, you had to mask up. The positive compared with last year is the number of people who are vaccinated; Omicron can get past even a full vaccination, but the impact on the infected person should then be minimal or even fully asymptomatic. A booster shot makes the impact even lower; hopefully more people are getting the message that a booster is incredibly important right now and go out and get one. That doesn't mean precautions shouldn't be taken; I know in my own family we're calling off most of our extended family Christmas activities even though nearly all of us are double-vaccinated and boosted, because we have small kids in the family who are too young for shots of their own and we don't want to take any needless risks with their health. I hope that WWE, AEW, and other promotions play it smart, even if they have fully vaccinated rosters. Thing is, though, you just know not everyone on any company's roster is fully vaccinated, and Omicron, while potentially less virulent than Delta, just spreads so much more easily that there's a ton of risk there particularly for those without any protection. The thing to keep an eye on is hospitalizations, region by region. I'm in northern New Jersey and we're in a similar boat to NYC: numbers are up, but hospitalizations aren't getting out of hand due to us having pretty solid vaccination rates. This hopefully means that things should be ok; I have tickets to the 1/5 Dynamite in Newark and would really hate to see another delayed show happen, but if we keep our numbers around where they are now there's hope that it should be able to happen (though I'll be wearing a mask for the whole show, I'm thinking). What absolutely should be happening now, though, is venues and cities demanding proof of vaccination for indoor activities. Lack of that around here is bugging me. Good; I’ve been to the Rock for the previous Dynamite and a Devils game this season and they didn’t check cards then, so that’s a step up.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 23, 2021 6:45:17 GMT -5
As others have said the silver lining is new cases of covid seem to be mostly mild especially if people are vaccinated. But it was also inevitable. This time of year is rough for getting sick and are such a stressful time I'm better a lot of people have seen their immune systems weaken.
Just have to continue to use caution, hope most people are asymptomatic and anybody with systems takes time off
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 23, 2021 7:09:47 GMT -5
What on earth has possessed them to run house shows at a time there's a new, more easily transmitted variant of an already infectious disease and they're struggling with attendances for TV shows? It feels like they want to get into a situation where they have to run main roster shows with PC talent as everyone else is ill
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Dec 23, 2021 8:55:16 GMT -5
All sports seem to have an uptick in positive cases lately so I can't say I'm surprised its hitting WWE.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 23, 2021 8:57:32 GMT -5
What on earth has possessed them to run house shows at a time there's a new, more easily transmitted variant of an already infectious disease and they're struggling with attendances for TV shows? It feels like they want to get into a situation where they have to run main roster shows with PC talent as everyone else is ill Especially as there was talk about eliminating house shows altogether as they were bringing in very little profit.
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