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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 3, 2022 20:48:44 GMT -5
I HATED this so f***ing much. He was winning matches clean!
Some of them like the AJ match were even great matches. He just shouldn't have been the one having them. It was a stretch in 2001 and I love those matches!
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Post by sportatorium on Jan 3, 2022 21:03:34 GMT -5
My absolute least favorite TV character on a wrestling show (notice I didn't call him a wrestler). Opponents had to sell his horrible looking offense like he was Lesnar or someone like that. He was booked stronger than pretty much anyone else on TV. As a heel, he never really showed any fear either. Shane, much like Vince works as a heel who is a obviously going to get destroyed and needs muscle or shenanigans to equalize the mismatch with a wrestler.
Shane was presented like he was any other wrestler on the roster even though he would turn purple walking down to the ring and sweat off 20 pounds as soon as he did his little dance. Somehow I know that a plan for Raw Underground that didn't pan out probably involved Shane being portrayed as a shoot/pit fighter.
He is one of the very few people who I never want to see on a wrestling related TV screen ever again. Russo level of disdain.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2022 23:39:38 GMT -5
Shane is the worst.
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Post by DSR on Jan 3, 2022 23:47:23 GMT -5
OOOGH! OOOOGH! OOOGH! OOOOGH!
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 3, 2022 23:49:32 GMT -5
His match with Miz at Mania was hilarious. Shane kicking out of literally everything like he had the power of God and Inoki inside him until they fall off a platform and Shane rolls on top of Miz for the three. Can't imagine how it was decided "Shane McMahon is gonna break The Miz's will and spirit tonight" but I'm glad it was. Fun fact: I went to grab snacks during their match and we came back right as they were doing their spot which was basically in front of our seats
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 3, 2022 23:52:11 GMT -5
The best Shane match was King of the Ring 01 against Kurt Angle because he was booked as he should have been. A guy who was completely outclassed by Kurt and only stood a chance because Kurt had already wrestled twice that night and it was a hardcore match so Shane could use weapons and basically cheat. Even though Shane was the babyface they didn't try and tell the ludicrous story that Shane was anywhere close to Kurts level. And even with all the advantages, Kurt still absolutely kicked his ass, battered him bloody and beat him. I think that's the last time Shane was booked like that, certainly babyface Shane anyway. The AJ Styles match is up there as well It was booked way it should be with cocky AJ underestimating him but clearly being so far above him that you got into Shane as an underdog
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2022 23:55:25 GMT -5
Miz, as a heel, mostly wins matches or feuds by outsmarting his opponents rather than out-wrestling them. Miz, as a face, got outsmarted by heel Shane every week for like 5 months straight. I know people say Miz sucks as a face, but they gave him no chance to succeed at it with that horrible Shane feud. Had Miz actually gone over, he could have worked as a face. I'll die on that hill. His promo where he challenged Shane for Mania was fantastic Agreed completely. IMO Miz's last failed face run was totally on booking. 2019 Miz was a totally different performer from 2013 Miz and that great face promo you mentioned was proof of that. But he just kept f***ing losing to Shane, even once by tapping out...
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 3, 2022 23:57:17 GMT -5
I am either too forgiving or just officially out of touch, because while I think some of the stories were crappy, Shane has usually delivered in-ring. Even last year's cage match with Braun was fun.
Shane as GM was good. Tag match with D. Bry at Mania was good. AJ match at Mania was good. Taker/Shane was a spectacle - with the benefit of hindsight, maybe wouldn't have done it given how many matches Taker had left in the tank, but it wasn't atrocious. Miz/Shane was fine for what it was but I do think Miz should have won.
I acknowledge his punches aren't great, but I just don't think he's the worst.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 4, 2022 0:03:04 GMT -5
Had Miz actually gone over, he could have worked as a face. I'll die on that hill. His promo where he challenged Shane for Mania was fantastic Agreed completely. IMO Miz's last failed face run was totally on booking. 2019 Miz was a totally different performer from 2013 Miz and that great face promo you mentioned was proof of that. But he just kept f***ing losing to Shane, even once by tapping out... And they lucked into that face run The story was completely that dickhead heel Miz is trying to butter up to Shane and take advantage that actually blossomed until a good friendship and fans bought into it
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 4, 2022 1:57:43 GMT -5
Shane's run did more or less convince me he and Steph were basically two sides of the same coin. Steph will often bury people in promos, and Shane will often do so in matches.
On that, I thought WM 34 was an interesting contrast been the siblings. One tag match had Stephanie working her butt off to be the perfect obnoxious heel to get fans going crazy for Ronda Rousey, the other turned a story into Daniel Bryan coming back into Shane taking on Sami/KO 2-on-1 for much of the match for some reason.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 4, 2022 2:07:04 GMT -5
I think you can describe that as any of Shane's eras. Dude who acts tough and can hang with all of these top legit wrestlers even though no one is buying it. They did the same thing his previous run in 2009 where he was beating up Orton with his horrible looking punches and Randy, their top heel at the time, acting afraid of him. Not just that, but it took all 3 members of Legacy to beat Shane. Shane's had the "tough guy" booking for a long time. This wasn't brand new.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 4, 2022 7:17:48 GMT -5
Had Miz actually gone over, he could have worked as a face. I'll die on that hill. His promo where he challenged Shane for Mania was fantastic Agreed completely. IMO Miz's last failed face run was totally on booking. 2019 Miz was a totally different performer from 2013 Miz and that great face promo you mentioned was proof of that. But he just kept f***ing losing to Shane, even once by tapping out... Right. It was bad enough to lose to Shane, but they made him look like a blithering ass in the process
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 4, 2022 7:24:21 GMT -5
I HATED this so f***ing much. He was winning matches clean! Some of them like the AJ match were even great matches. He just shouldn't have been the one having them. It was a stretch in 2001 and I love those matches! The AJ match was great and better than expected but yeah, it really didn't need to be Shane. The only reason to forgive that match was because it was a rare time in the modern era where feuding with a McMahon was something that actually manifested as a push and the start of an elevation of status, ping-ponging the US title with Owens for a few months before taking the WWE title and running with it for a year. I don't think anyone else came out of a feud with Shane any better off, because Shane was being used to solidify and elevate AJ on the whackadoo belief that feuding with a McMahon was still the stamp of approval moment that 'made' stars, and everyone else seemed to just be f***ing around with Shane for the sake of keeping Shane busy. The only other person to sincerely come out of a Shane feud any better was, inexplicably, Miz's dad as a weird holy shit moment in an otherwise horrible match. Miz's Dad standing up for his son and getting into the ring in a hopeless, outmatched situation out of love got the second biggest pop of the night for me on that Mania, second only to Kofi's title win.
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Post by 67 more on Jan 4, 2022 8:07:25 GMT -5
IDGAF, I love me some Shane McMahon.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 4, 2022 10:27:31 GMT -5
We’ll always have that initial return pop ❤️
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 4, 2022 11:15:08 GMT -5
He was always a tough guy. Remember the interminable Shane/Kane feud from 2003? Totally killed Kane's aura. Shane trying to sound like a 90s movie action hero: "Burn in hell, you son of a bitch." Badass if someone like Stone Cold said it, infinitely cheesy when Shane says it.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jan 4, 2022 11:24:02 GMT -5
Agreed completely. IMO Miz's last failed face run was totally on booking. 2019 Miz was a totally different performer from 2013 Miz and that great face promo you mentioned was proof of that. But he just kept f***ing losing to Shane, even once by tapping out... And they lucked into that face run The story was completely that dickhead heel Miz is trying to butter up to Shane and take advantage that actually blossomed until a good friendship and fans bought into it The story should have been Miz convincing Shane to let him finish the tournament and gutting out the win against Ziggler. He had won clean through the tournament and Miz fighting through injury to win the World Cup, and kind of proving Daniel Bryan wrong about him, would have been fire. Or the Shane finish happens as is and Miz comes out the next night furious that they wouldn’t let him compete, with Shane talking down to him about how he knew Miz didn’t have the guts to fight through it and made a judgement call, with Miz more determined than ever to prove Shane wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2022 12:51:20 GMT -5
I find this version of Shane entertaining as hell. The cherry on top of the cake was him winning that Best In The World trophy.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 4, 2022 13:40:38 GMT -5
And they lucked into that face run The story was completely that dickhead heel Miz is trying to butter up to Shane and take advantage that actually blossomed until a good friendship and fans bought into it The story should have been Miz convincing Shane to let him finish the tournament and gutting out the win against Ziggler. He had won clean through the tournament and Miz fighting through injury to win the World Cup, and kind of proving Daniel Bryan wrong about him, would have been fire. Or the Shane finish happens as is and Miz comes out the next night furious that they wouldn’t let him compete, with Shane talking down to him about how he knew Miz didn’t have the guts to fight through it and made a judgement call, with Miz more determined than ever to prove Shane wrong. Miz as a face who *finally* earned the respect of the fans, going after the title to prove he's legit would have been money
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 4, 2022 14:26:49 GMT -5
At least when Vince/Stephanie wrestled actual wrestlers they would low blow, use weapons or any other dirty trick. It was always clear that they weren’t actually trained wrestlers and in a fair fight with one wouldn’t stand a chance. Shane though at times had the power level of a legit main event wrestler. He could go 30 minutes with Undertaker in hell in a cell and be competitive. He could beat up all of Legacy by himself. He could go toe to toe with Kane at his most dangerous after unmasking. There was that stacked Survivor Series elimination match in 2017 too, full of top guys. Shane seemed like the easy weak link in kayfabe but was actually eliminating people and made it to the very end, getting the heroic spot when he’s the last man standing on his team and valiantly fighting against the numbers game. Does anyone remember the story after Survivor Series 2001? It took all the Team WWF guys hitting their finishes on Shane to eliminate him. He was supposed to come out the next night on Raw selling the beating and begging/crying for Vince to keep him employed only to get fired and kicked out of the building in humiliating fashion. Stephanie and Heyman went along with it but Shane got his part changed and instead he came out acting all cool, took the defeat like a man and left of his own accord. And he wasn’t selling any effects of the SS match which supposedly pissed off Undertaker and others. I mean I mostly agree with you on this but also I remember Steph walking out wearing gear that looked like it came out of Chyna's discard pile and playing ring general against Brie Bella for like 15 solid minutes
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