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Post by wendytorrancev1 on Jan 19, 2022 13:11:54 GMT -5
DX in 1998, the young bucks and Eddie guerrero. I'm not trying to speak ill of the dead but I was never interested in anything eddie did, no offense to his fans. No Way Out 04 was the first ppv I skipped ordering with my friends since I had access to ppv in 2002 I wasn't the biggest fan of Eddie, either. I never saw the appeal.
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Post by wendytorrancev1 on Jan 19, 2022 13:24:32 GMT -5
Debra. I never saw what she brought to the table, other than a willingness to wear skimpy bikinis. She didn't have the charisma of a Sunny or even a Sable and wasn't even good as a valet either. I think the importance of valets is deeply unappreciated these days, but she was terrible. You know, I have to agree. Debra was pretty much useless, and I think, however, that she didn't have as much as an ego as Sable (aka Rena), which is why her push to the forefront was very limited. I know she had a WWF Women's Championship run for some unknown reason, but I think the tide was turning around that time. What they did with Sable wasn't going to work with Debra. They had a few legitimate female wrestlers on their roster at that point (Ivory, Jackie, Luna, and technically Tori), and it seemed as though they were priming Nicole Bass to be a competitor, even if the WWF did her dirty af. Once Lita joined the fray, it was too late to have Debra as a shoe-in for a replacement Sable (not to mention, they got a better deal out of it with Trish Stratus), and she faded into obscurity until some jackass decided to push her into that awful storyline where she was Lt. Commissioner. She lacked charisma and although she could take a bump (when Nicole Bass chokeslammed her for Ivory to pick up the pin and strip her of her WWF Women's Championship), she would never pass as a legitimate wrestler. As far as her being a decent valet, yeah, I'm with you 100%. She was absolutely terrible as a valet. She had zero distraction time on the referee and her reaction time was extremely delayed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2022 20:16:54 GMT -5
Wardrow…
I think he’s closer to Virgil than Batista..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2022 22:29:03 GMT -5
I'm so glad so many people agree with me on the Rock. Dude is the living embodiment of the dismissive fabulous wrist gesture from idiocracy. The Punk feud where Punk was teeing him up with stuff to knock out of the park by finally admitting he never cared about the fans and the rock just totally didn't get it drove me insane.
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 19, 2022 23:08:36 GMT -5
After the WCW heel turn I also didn't care for Eddie. He reminded me of heel Tatanka with the facial features, like that's all he could do to show he was a bad guy for the most part. The 2005 Rumble beatdown of Daniel Puder because "this business" and "paying dues" just shows what kind of person he was.
I personally liked Debra. I "knew" Debra was a bit on the older side (to me as a kid) but I loved her gimmick. I knew she was older but I liked it whereas I "thought" Sable was older and I didn't like it.
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Post by ISO Mid Thigh Pull on Jan 20, 2022 5:13:18 GMT -5
Rewatching Hogan/Bischoff era TNA shows, seeing Austin Aries as a super over underdog babyface that everyone wants to succeed feels like staring in to another dimension where everything is scary and wrong. Dude has Richard Nixon aura.
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Post by Edge of Insanity on Jan 20, 2022 10:57:27 GMT -5
Past. Ric Flair Undertaker Kane Goldberg Mick Foley Sabu Andre The Giant Terry Funk
Present Young Bucks Matt Hardy Eddie Kingston Cm Punk Asuka Luchasaurus Darby Allin Sasha Banks Ricky Starks Hook Kyle O'Reilly Jade Cargill( do people actually like her?) Damien Priest Shinsuke Nakamura Naomi Jon Moxley Bray Wyatt Vickie Guerrero
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Post by r. on Jan 20, 2022 12:58:15 GMT -5
Someone already said Apollo, but yeah.
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Post by r. on Jan 20, 2022 13:00:10 GMT -5
CM punk Bryan Danielson Steve Austin Goldberg And even though he isn't a wrestler, Tony Khan. The lengths some people go to gush over and take up for this guy is ridiculous at times. He is almost like a Religious figure, Gets all the credit when things are good and none of the blame when things go wrong. The entirety of the AEW subsection here would disprove that later statement. ETA; These threads always turn into 'Here is my wild bad take I can finally post'
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 15:26:58 GMT -5
Dante Martin. I know his brother is injured. Dude aint ready for a solo run. He's crazy flippy to the point of unrealistic. He's weird facial expressions and his deer in a head lights during promos. I know he's only 20 but he should stay on Dark a little bit longer.
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 20, 2022 17:18:52 GMT -5
Fatu when he was Rikishi. The stinkface was just disgusting, and outside of that, I cant think of anything else notable about him. Not that Making a Difference Fatu or Sultan were anything writing home about (Headshrinkers were fine).
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Post by deezy on Jan 20, 2022 17:22:23 GMT -5
CM punk Bryan Danielson Steve Austin Goldberg And even though he isn't a wrestler, Tony Khan. The lengths some people go to gush over and take up for this guy is ridiculous at times. He is almost like a Religious figure, Gets all the credit when things are good and none of the blame when things go wrong. The entirety of the AEW subsection here would disprove that later statement. ETA; These threads always turn into 'Here is my wild bad take I can finally post' Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean it's a bad take. Its Just my opinion.
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 20, 2022 17:26:08 GMT -5
Fatu when he was Rikishi. The stinkface was just disgusting, and outside of that, I cant think of anything else notable about him. Not that Making a Difference Fatu or Sultan were anything writing home about (Headshrinkers were fine). After Samu left, he was a future endeavor waiting to happen if not for the Attitude Era and the Rikishi gimmick. Nothing ever clicked with him, not the New Headshrinkers, not Make a Difference or the Sultan. I'm guessing based on the family history or Undertaker friendship, they would find something for him time after time. If Rikishi didn't work, they'd find something else. I'm sure Vince got a kick out of the stink face, though.
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Post by r. on Jan 20, 2022 17:35:15 GMT -5
The entirety of the AEW subsection here would disprove that later statement. ETA; These threads always turn into 'Here is my wild bad take I can finally post' Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean it's a bad take. Its Just my opinion. Wasn't meant to be directed at you, just a general observation.
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Post by deezy on Jan 20, 2022 18:00:29 GMT -5
Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean it's a bad take. Its Just my opinion. Wasn't meant to be directed at you, just a general observation. Oh ok, I took as a shot at me. My apologies.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 19:24:34 GMT -5
Honestly I'm inclined to say CM Punk.
I don't hate the guy or anything, I just think he's a bit one dimensional.
Even in AEW, all he can talk about is WWE. It's a bit embarrassing and bitter, to be honest.
His whole shtick is "breaking the fourth wall" and complaining about "not being booked better" aswell which I absolutely f***ing hate in my wrestling. I like gimmicks and characters, not this worked shoot nonsense. I can't think of a single good Punk promo from his entire WWE/AEW run that didn't involve some worked shoot comment.
Punk has done some good stuff and I'm glad he's back in wrestling. But I have to admit, he's unbearable at times. More so in real life if you check out his Twitter where he's complaining about signing autographs and being jealous of The Miz for main eventing Wrestlemania.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 20, 2022 20:00:08 GMT -5
Honestly I'm inclined to say CM Punk. I don't hate the guy or anything, I just think he's a bit one dimensional. Even in AEW, all he can talk about is WWE. It's a bit embarrassing and bitter, to be honest. www.fightful.com/wrestling/cm-punk-believes-aew-should-focus-themselves-and-stop-talking-about-wweThis is funny in hindsight because now that Punk is in AEW he probably talks about WWE more than anyone else there. His first promo when he got there was to be expected but he didn't stop. In the past month or so alone he's took shots at at HHH, Miz, Cena, Vince, something about Wrestlemania tickets and probably more. The fact that he was twerking for WWE in interviews in 2019-20 talking about how he'd be open to going back if the money was right kinda hurts his whole voice of the voiceless/everyman shtick too. He was practically begging them to make him an offer which seemingly never came. Character wise, it would be better for him to be able to say like screw WWE I'd never compromise my morals and go back there after how they treated me. He can't though because multiple interviews exist with him contradicting that.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 20, 2022 20:07:40 GMT -5
William Regal as a wrestler in WWE/F. I loved him as commissioner and then years later as the GM of NXT but inside the ring he bored me to tears a lot of the time. His technical style just didn't click with a lot of guys and led to clunky matches. Edge's solo momentum after splitting from Christian was killed dead by that long Regal feud and the boring matches they had. I would dread my favorite guys feuding with him during that 2001-02 era. I remember at consecutive Wrestlemanias he faced Jericho and RVD and they were among the worst matches those guys had those years.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 21, 2022 3:16:09 GMT -5
Fatu when he was Rikishi. The stinkface was just disgusting, and outside of that, I cant think of anything else notable about him. Not that Making a Difference Fatu or Sultan were anything writing home about (Headshrinkers were fine). I keep teling Angel Camacho he should do the stinkface.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 21, 2022 4:00:17 GMT -5
William Regal as a wrestler in WWE/F. I loved him as commissioner and then years later as the GM of NXT but inside the ring he bored me to tears a lot of the time. His technical style just didn't click with a lot of guys and led to clunky matches. Edge's solo momentum after splitting from Christian was killed dead by that long Regal feud and the boring matches they had. I would dread my favorite guys feuding with him during that 2001-02 era. I remember at consecutive Wrestlemanias he faced Jericho and RVD and they were among the worst matches those guys had those years. Same here. Always thought he was great as a character and a promo and I like him as a person from what I've heard about him but his matches always bored me to tears. I remember dreading his matches as a kid when he was in WCW and always had the TV Title as I knew it was going to be a long boring match and it was always going to end in a lame time limit draw. I'm not saying he's bad by any means but his style just isn't my cup of tea at all. Doing a little mat wrestling is fine but when it's all you freaking do it's just way too much. You have to provide some action. It's why I think the only time I enjoyed him in ring was the Blue Bloods run with Eaton because at least he had a partner who could provide some explosiveness to his matches whether it with his moveset or his bumping ability. Also like you said he was one of those guys that had his style and he wasn't going to adapt for anyone. So if his opponent wasn't some expert mat wrestler and really adapt at chain wrestling (so basically like 90% of the roster whether it be WCW or WWF) it was going be a styles clash with the opponent looking like a dope. That why he got fired from WCW for that Goldberg match.
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