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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 27, 2022 15:15:06 GMT -5
Ronda's a weird situation because she seems like a failure only for being Ronda ROusey. She came in being an absolute natural picking up wrestling, got very over, moved lots of merch, but her success was all with the WWE audience already there. They wanted her to do more and be more. Wanted her to move the needle and bring in big ratings and be the crossover star to help bump them up, and she never really did that. The post-Rumble Raw that year had lower viewership than the year before's. WWE's audience really liked her, but the translation into being more and living up to the lofty expectations of shelling out for a name like her never delivered.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 27, 2022 15:20:47 GMT -5
Ronda's a weird situation because she seems like a failure only for being Ronda ROusey. She came in being an absolute natural picking up wrestling, got very over, moved lots of merch, but her success was all with the WWE audience already there. They wanted her to do more and be more. Wanted her to move the needle and bring in big ratings and be the crossover star to help bump them up, and she never really did that. The post-Rumble Raw that year had lower viewership than the year before's. WWE's audience really liked her, but the translation into being more and living up to the lofty expectations of shelling out for a name like her never delivered. Yeah, this is an understandable, informed argument. I wonder if her last loss to Nunes really killed off any of her remaining cross-over appeal. I still think Becky/Ronda's probably the biggest women's match they can do this year. That's probably an indictment on their booking more than anything, but yeah.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 27, 2022 15:23:35 GMT -5
Yeh but Ronda wasnt the move needler, Becky was. Ronda did work as a good opponent for her story and at time had a bigger following than today but she wasnt a needle mover. If her segments were the top-rated portion of the show, she's a needle mover. It takes two to tango. Becky's awesome, but you can't just attribute everything to her alone. Also, I think people look back with some weird revisionist history about Ronda's run when like literally up until that semi-botched finish at Mania 35, she was delivering good matches whenever she was in the ring. Everybody loved that wild segment in the build for Mania where they were all getting arrested, too. She was never a GREAT promo but it got better. Ronda coming back to take the title after a few years off against Becky is a more interesting story right now IMO than Bianca doing the exact same thing she did last year. WWE benefits from it more, too. It really doesnt take two to Tango in this case. Becky constantly got the biggest viership segments. With or without Ronda.This is isnt even saying she wasnt a failure, but Becky is the clear drawn in the scenario.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 27, 2022 15:25:19 GMT -5
Ronda's a weird situation because she seems like a failure only for being Ronda ROusey. She came in being an absolute natural picking up wrestling, got very over, moved lots of merch, but her success was all with the WWE audience already there. They wanted her to do more and be more. Wanted her to move the needle and bring in big ratings and be the crossover star to help bump them up, and she never really did that. The post-Rumble Raw that year had lower viewership than the year before's. WWE's audience really liked her, but the translation into being more and living up to the lofty expectations of shelling out for a name like her never delivered. Yeah, this is an understandable, informed argument. I wonder if her last loss to Nunes really killed off any of her remaining cross-over appeal. I still think Becky/Ronda's probably the biggest women's match they can do this year. That's probably an indictment on their booking more than anything, but yeah. Yeah, I can't even put this one on WWE, Ronda came in with her star utterly shattered. By the time they were able to sign her to a full time contract she didn't really have much to give, MMA fans had moved on and a lot of them weren't going to give wrestling a view anyway, and the casual rando had just forgotten about her entirely because she was no longer everywhere. Ronda had a run that a performance center grad would have killed for, but she was the one person who needed to do more and couldn't deliver. The fact the biggest match they can do involves Ronda coming back after two years away is absolutely a condemnation on what WWE has done with their time since then, that's frankly the only way I can see it.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 27, 2022 16:03:06 GMT -5
Yeah, this is an understandable, informed argument. I wonder if her last loss to Nunes really killed off any of her remaining cross-over appeal. I still think Becky/Ronda's probably the biggest women's match they can do this year. That's probably an indictment on their booking more than anything, but yeah. Yeah, I can't even put this one on WWE, Ronda came in with her star utterly shattered. By the time they were able to sign her to a full time contract she didn't really have much to give, MMA fans had moved on and a lot of them weren't going to give wrestling a view anyway, and the casual rando had just forgotten about her entirely because she was no longer everywhere. Ronda had a run that a performance center grad would have killed for, but she was the one person who needed to do more and couldn't deliver. The fact the biggest match they can do involves Ronda coming back after two years away is absolutely a condemnation on what WWE has done with their time since then, that's frankly the only way I can see it. I think the 3 years away part adds to the intrigue and size of the matchup, and doesn’t detract from it. The more seldom you see someone and the longer they’re away, the more of a big deal it is when they come back. It’s one of the reasons why Lesnar usually feels special. And why everyone was dying for Punk to come back.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 27, 2022 16:34:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I can't even put this one on WWE, Ronda came in with her star utterly shattered. By the time they were able to sign her to a full time contract she didn't really have much to give, MMA fans had moved on and a lot of them weren't going to give wrestling a view anyway, and the casual rando had just forgotten about her entirely because she was no longer everywhere. Ronda had a run that a performance center grad would have killed for, but she was the one person who needed to do more and couldn't deliver. The fact the biggest match they can do involves Ronda coming back after two years away is absolutely a condemnation on what WWE has done with their time since then, that's frankly the only way I can see it. I think the 3 years away part adds to the intrigue and size of the matchup, and doesn’t detract from it. The more seldom you see someone and the longer they’re away, the more of a big deal it is when they come back. It’s one of the reasons why Lesnar usually feels special. And why everyone was dying for Punk to come back. Oh god yeah it's been three hasn't it. Time, man. And I dunno, I feel like there's definitely a case to be made for time away, but it also feels like there's been a lack of real elevation of enough people to the level where they could do that. Bianca was given that effort but her Becky program came and went already, and beyond that it's just more Horsewomen matchups again. There's merits to a big deal return, but the space up there feels a lot more empty than it maybe should be. It's not in being the biggest match but in how far above any other possible match it is.
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 27, 2022 16:42:52 GMT -5
Bringing Ronda back might bump a rating when some of the fans WWE has lost in the last three years tune in to see what she's doing. Then those fans will see the rest of the show, remember why they tuned out, and won't stick around.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 27, 2022 16:50:46 GMT -5
I think the 3 years away part adds to the intrigue and size of the matchup, and doesn’t detract from it. The more seldom you see someone and the longer they’re away, the more of a big deal it is when they come back. It’s one of the reasons why Lesnar usually feels special. And why everyone was dying for Punk to come back. Oh god yeah it's been three hasn't it. Time, man. And I dunno, I feel like there's definitely a case to be made for time away, but it also feels like there's been a lack of real elevation of enough people to the level where they could do that. Bianca was given that effort but her Becky program came and went already, and beyond that it's just more Horsewomen matchups again. There's merits to a big deal return, but the space up there feels a lot more empty than it maybe should be. It's not in being the biggest match but in how far above any other possible match it is. Yeah, the fact that any realistic WrestleMania main events involve some combination of Charlotte, Becky, Sasha, Bianca and then two part-timers in Ronda and Lita suggests that there's definitely a problem. I don't even know that they'd try a women's battle royal this year. The tag title match is going to be super crowded at this rate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 16:51:23 GMT -5
Ronda is just another band aid because the cryptkeeper has the attention span of a flickering light and refuses to give the type of attention he will undoubtably give her to the actual full time women on his damn roster.
Ronda is gonna come in run over other women while she is around only to put over....A horsewoman on her way out because those are the only women that will get whatever rub there is to get off of her.
Oh and calling it right now...they are gonna have Bianca turn heel on her out of jealousy (if Ronda gets the Becky match) and then tap clean to her.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 17:31:20 GMT -5
I'd not mind seeing Ronda, she's the one able to beat horsewomen into oblivion!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 2:06:53 GMT -5
Well... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Dave Meltzer on Wrestling Observer Radio tonight reported that Ronda Rousey will be returning to WWE, returning as soon as Saturday’s Royal Rumble event, though it isn’t known if she will be in the match or in an angle following the match. Meltzer also had details on what brand Rousey would be on and who she may face at WrestleMania. “She’s back,” Meltzer said. “She’s going to be back as a regular on SmackDown. But she’ll probably do some Raw shows. I think she will be on Raw on Monday. That’s kind of what has been hinted at to me. The only thing I know is that she will not be wrestling Charlotte Flair at WrestleMania. The match I was told was Becky Lynch.” Meltzer also said that Rousey is expected to be with the company for one year. “A year is the deal I heard,” Meltzer said. “I don’t know if she will be there every week, but it’s not just the Rumble, a WrestleMania match then gone, it’s more than that.” www.f4wonline.com/news/wwe/ronda-rousey-returning-to-wwe-imminently
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 29, 2022 2:30:33 GMT -5
Well... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Dave Meltzer on Wrestling Observer Radio tonight reported that Ronda Rousey will be returning to WWE, returning as soon as Saturday’s Royal Rumble event, though it isn’t known if she will be in the match or in an angle following the match. Meltzer also had details on what brand Rousey would be on and who she may face at WrestleMania. “She’s back,” Meltzer said. “She’s going to be back as a regular on SmackDown. But she’ll probably do some Raw shows. I think she will be on Raw on Monday. That’s kind of what has been hinted at to me. The only thing I know is that she will not be wrestling Charlotte Flair at WrestleMania. The match I was told was Becky Lynch.” Meltzer also said that Rousey is expected to be with the company for one year. “A year is the deal I heard,” Meltzer said. “I don’t know if she will be there every week, but it’s not just the Rumble, a WrestleMania match then gone, it’s more than that.” www.f4wonline.com/news/wwe/ronda-rousey-returning-to-wwe-imminently{Spoiler}So, let me get this straight.
Rousey is coming back. She may or may not be in the Rumble itself, but people expect her to be in it and to win it, because… I don’t know, racism. Out of this, the expectation is that she will be having a match with Lynch, the RAW champion, at WrestleMania. To build this up, she will be on SmackDown.
…It seems that the strategy is to just confuse everybody so they don’t get angry, forgetting that confusion often leads to anger.
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Post by ISO Mid Thigh Pull on Jan 29, 2022 2:32:09 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} BET THE WHOLE HOUSE ON RONDA AT NUMBER 30
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Post by gl83 on Jan 29, 2022 12:21:11 GMT -5
Well... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Dave Meltzer on Wrestling Observer Radio tonight reported that Ronda Rousey will be returning to WWE, returning as soon as Saturday’s Royal Rumble event, though it isn’t known if she will be in the match or in an angle following the match. Meltzer also had details on what brand Rousey would be on and who she may face at WrestleMania. “She’s back,” Meltzer said. “She’s going to be back as a regular on SmackDown. But she’ll probably do some Raw shows. I think she will be on Raw on Monday. That’s kind of what has been hinted at to me. The only thing I know is that she will not be wrestling Charlotte Flair at WrestleMania. The match I was told was Becky Lynch.” Meltzer also said that Rousey is expected to be with the company for one year. “A year is the deal I heard,” Meltzer said. “I don’t know if she will be there every week, but it’s not just the Rumble, a WrestleMania match then gone, it’s more than that.” www.f4wonline.com/news/wwe/ronda-rousey-returning-to-wwe-imminently{Spoiler}{Spoiler}So, let me get this straight.
Rousey is coming back. She may or may not be in the Rumble itself, but people expect her to be in it and to win it, because… I don’t know, racism. Out of this, the expectation is that she will be having a match with Lynch, the RAW champion, at WrestleMania. To build this up, she will be on SmackDown.
…It seems that the strategy is to just confuse everybody so they don’t get angry, forgetting that confusion often leads to anger. My guess is Ronda Rousey wins the Royal Rumble. She'll spend the next few months on both Raw and Smackdown to tease her choice and weigh her options for WrestleMania before finally settling on Becky, at which point she'll be on Raw. Anyway, I feel bad for the girls on the main roster. On one show you have Ronda Rousey running roughshod over everyone like it was 2018 all over again; meanwhile on the other show you have Charlotte Flair. It really feels like you're screwed either way and there's no avenue for advancement in the women's division.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 29, 2022 12:38:01 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}So, let me get this straight.
Rousey is coming back. She may or may not be in the Rumble itself, but people expect her to be in it and to win it, because… I don’t know, racism. Out of this, the expectation is that she will be having a match with Lynch, the RAW champion, at WrestleMania. To build this up, she will be on SmackDown.
…It seems that the strategy is to just confuse everybody so they don’t get angry, forgetting that confusion often leads to anger. My guess is Ronda Rousey wins the Royal Rumble. She'll spend the next few months on both Raw and Smackdown to tease her choice and weigh her options for WrestleMania before finally settling on Becky, at which point she'll be on Raw. Anyway, I feel bad for the girls on the main roster. On one show you have Ronda Rousey running roughshod over everyone like it was 2018 all over again; meanwhile on the other show you have Charlotte Flair. It really feels like you're screwed either way and there's no avenue for advancement in the women's division. I don't recall Ronda 'running roughshod over' anybody in her first run. Even when she won, most of her matches were competitive.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 29, 2022 12:42:54 GMT -5
Seeing how over Sasha was instantly as soon as she came back last night. Everything about this is just making me NOT want to see Ronda win. And I’m not even someone who dislikes the idea of Ronda coming back in general.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Jan 29, 2022 12:52:18 GMT -5
Many complained about them going the Becky-Bianca route for the Mania main event, and now they might be pivoting to a fresher marquee matchup in Becky-Rousey. Could always have Bianca end up challenging Charlotte too if they wanted to switch it up. Becky vs. Ronda is not “fresh.” Also what a slap in the face to your full time women to bring Ronda back and IMMEDIATELY put her in the top spot again. Ronda vs Becky isn't fresh? What are you talking about? They never went 1 on 1 and it's the biggest match they have in the entire company imo.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 29, 2022 12:55:11 GMT -5
A couple of years ago, sure. But A LOT has changed since then. And it just validates once again how WWE sees their full time roster as inferior. Not a great way to build future stars.
AEW did not just suddenly drop the Hangman Page stuff when Danielson or Punk debuted, nor should they have.
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Post by fw91 on Jan 29, 2022 12:55:28 GMT -5
Seeing how over Sasha was instantly as soon as she came back last night. Everything about this is just making me NOT want to see Ronda win. And I’m not even someone who dislikes the idea of Ronda coming back in general. Agreed, but I don't think you can say that Sasha/Charlotte is more "fresh" than Ronda/Becky
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 14:30:54 GMT -5
It ain't Becky/Ronda like yall want.
It's Charlotte/Ronda.
So basically she's facing Charlotte this year and Becky next year.
Sad that we're getting these feuds again when we've got newer stars out here who need to be made. I'm tired of the Four Horsewomen.
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