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Post by Lance Uppercut on Feb 4, 2022 15:13:09 GMT -5
Either because the performer made it so good, or the name itself it too good
I was wondering the other day why nobody every used the Razor’s edge. The few times they did, it never stuck and every time someone would use, we’d all think “that’s the Razor’s edge. The only one properly used and cal it the Razor’s edge on tv is Damien Priest and I thought it was neat they didn’t give it a new name
Also, I notice the backwards Hurrican rana is always called the Poison Rana. Is that a Candace La Rae thing? Cause the poison pixie and all.
Speaking of which, hurrican rana itself is named after a wrestling named Hurrican. The only other time I saw it something else is the Frankensteiner and that’s what I always referred to it at first when it started popping up in America,
Carlito changed the Lung Blower to Back Cracker to Back stabber and now everyone calls it that
The Strech muffler is often referred to as the Brock Lock
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 4, 2022 15:18:15 GMT -5
Frankensteiner is probably the definitive answer.
Or even the Tombstone Piledriver.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 4, 2022 15:25:36 GMT -5
After he stopped using the "Irish Curse" as a finisher, Sheamus used the Razor's edge for a while, I think calling it the "High Cross", but he basically started using the Brogue Kick, White Noise, and occasionally the Cloverleaf more often as a finisher. I know Lance Storm has said he hates taking the move from basically anyone since his head always ends up hitting the mat, but I am not sure if that's why the move fell out of favor.
I'm kind of glad that backstabber caught on. Back Cracker sounds pleasant, like they are helping you with a sore back.
I guess an example of what you're talking about would be Bret Hart using the Scorpion Hold and calling it the "Sharpshooter", which is what it's still often called in North America, but especially when Canadians do it. Sting is easily the most notable exception.
I am not sure what Tiger Mask called his, or anyone else who possibly beat Jack Roberts to the DDT, but he definitely was who the move seems to owe its name to.
When Johnny Ace created the Ace Crusher, he more or less got screwed twice on the name front. For one version, DDP called his the Diamond Cutter, and now "___ Cutter" is the de facto name of the move for the version where the user and one taking the move go fully horizontal on landing.
Austin, meanwhile, took the move on driving the opponent into the user's shoulder and called it the Stunner, presumably as some throwback to his Stunning Steve Austin days, and this, too, is now basically the name forever.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 4, 2022 15:35:47 GMT -5
Frankensteiner is probably the definitive answer. Or even the Tombstone Piledriver. Frankensteiner's a big one, though I'm almost positive Undertaker was not the first one to have their tombstone piledriver called that. Either way, he certainly popularized the name and solidified it. |
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Post by DSR on Feb 4, 2022 15:36:05 GMT -5
After he stopped using the "Irish Curse" as a finisher, Sheamus used the Razor's edge for a while, I think calling it the "High Cross", but he basically started using the Brogue Kick, White Noise, and occasionally the Cloverleaf more often as a finisher. I know Lance Storm has said he hates taking the move from basically anyone since his head always ends up hitting the mat, but I am not sure if that's why the move fell out of favor. I'm kind of glad that backstabber caught on. Back Cracker sounds pleasant, like they are helping you with a sore back. I guess an example of what you're talking about would be Bret Hart using the Scorpion Hold and calling it the "Sharpshooter", which is what it's still often called in North America, but especially when Canadians do it. Sting is easily the most notable exception. I am not sure what Tiger Mask called his, or anyone else who possibly beat Jack Roberts to the DDT, but he definitely was who the move seems to owe its name to. When Johnny Ace created the Ace Crusher, he more or less got screwed twice on the name front. For one version, DDP called his the Diamond Cutter, and now "___ Cutter" is the de facto name of the move for the version where the user and one taking the move go fully horizontal on landing. Austin, meanwhile, took the move on driving the opponent into the user's shoulder and called it the Stunner, presumably as some throwback to his Stunning Steve Austin days, and this, too, is now basically the name forever. Speaking of Tiger Mask, is he the reason the Tiger Suplex and Tiger Driver got those names? Been a while since I've seen any of his matches, but I believe both were part of his moveset. |
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Feb 4, 2022 15:42:15 GMT -5
Technically, a huracanrana is a headscissors takedown into rana pin. A Frankensteiner is a headscissors takedown that doesn't. Huracan got the generic name, even if most of the huracanranas you see aren't...
Believe it or not the Tombstone name for the kneeling belly-to-belly piledriver predates Undertaker.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 4, 2022 15:43:42 GMT -5
After he stopped using the "Irish Curse" as a finisher, Sheamus used the Razor's edge for a while, I think calling it the "High Cross", but he basically started using the Brogue Kick, White Noise, and occasionally the Cloverleaf more often as a finisher. I know Lance Storm has said he hates taking the move from basically anyone since his head always ends up hitting the mat, but I am not sure if that's why the move fell out of favor. I'm kind of glad that backstabber caught on. Back Cracker sounds pleasant, like they are helping you with a sore back. I guess an example of what you're talking about would be Bret Hart using the Scorpion Hold and calling it the "Sharpshooter", which is what it's still often called in North America, but especially when Canadians do it. Sting is easily the most notable exception. I am not sure what Tiger Mask called his, or anyone else who possibly beat Jack Roberts to the DDT, but he definitely was who the move seems to owe its name to. When Johnny Ace created the Ace Crusher, he more or less got screwed twice on the name front. For one version, DDP called his the Diamond Cutter, and now "___ Cutter" is the de facto name of the move for the version where the user and one taking the move go fully horizontal on landing. Austin, meanwhile, took the move on driving the opponent into the user's shoulder and called it the Stunner, presumably as some throwback to his Stunning Steve Austin days, and this, too, is now basically the name forever. Speaking of Tiger Mask, is he the reason the Tiger Suplex and Tiger Driver got those names? Been a while since I've seen any of his matches, but I believe both were part of his moveset. Yes, though I want to say the Tiger Driver was moreso Tiger Mask II, so, Misawa. I'm sure I've seen Sawama use the Tiger Suplex, though, yeah. |
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Post by chazraps on Feb 4, 2022 15:46:30 GMT -5
There's 70s Japanese wrestling magazines with Andre doing the Tombstone but it's spelled "Toonestone," so I don't know if Tombstone was the proper name that got lost in translation 15+ years before the undertaker debuted, or if "Toonestone" was the name for years and they made it "Tombstone" so Taker could have a finisher that was a pun.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 4, 2022 15:55:40 GMT -5
Lou Thesz press.
Fameasser after Mr ass
Macho man elbow
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Post by karl100589 on Feb 4, 2022 16:26:53 GMT -5
It kinda happened in MMA. Light Heavyweight Ovince Saint Pruex became so synonymous with using a Von Flue choke to finish his opponent the move became known as the Saint Preux choke.
Similarly, elbow strikes while defending a takedown are known these days as “Travis Browne Elbows”
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Post by Cyno on Feb 4, 2022 16:44:22 GMT -5
There's 70s Japanese wrestling magazines with Andre doing the Tombstone but it's spelled "Toonestone," so I don't know if Tombstone was the proper name that got lost in translation 15+ years before the undertaker debuted, or if "Toonestone" was the name for years and they made it "Tombstone" so Taker could have a finisher that was a pun. Probably an inaccurate romanization of the katakana. The ン kana can be romanized as either a -n or -m sound. N is usually the default, but in this context, it's meant to be M.
With more recent moves, everyone calls the flip piledriver the Canadian Destroyer, unless it's a very specific variation of it, like Adam Cole's Panama Sunrise.
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Post by Fundertaker on Feb 4, 2022 17:49:16 GMT -5
Speaking of Tiger Mask, is he the reason the Tiger Suplex and Tiger Driver got those names? Been a while since I've seen any of his matches, but I believe both were part of his moveset. Yes, though I want to say the Tiger Driver was moreso Tiger Mask II, so, Misawa. I'm sure I've seen Sawama use the Tiger Suplex, though, yeah. Yeah, Tiger Suplex was Sayama's thing and the Tiger Driver was Misawa's. Then Kanemoto and TMIV haven't gotten up to speed on the "Tiger Lock" or "Tiger Sleeper" or something  BTW, if anyone thinks of "Michinoku Driver is TAKA Michinoku's move!", the move was called that before TAKA started using it (it's a Great Sasuke original, from when his promotion, Michinoku Pro (Michinoku being the old region on the northeastern part of Honshu, encompassing the Fukushima, Miyagi, Iwate, Aomori and parts of Akita prefectures) was starting up). |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 4, 2022 17:55:54 GMT -5
the Asai Moonsault. Asai being Ultimo Dragon's real name Or it's alternative name the Rocker Dropper for Marty. |
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Feb 4, 2022 18:19:36 GMT -5
On the more obscure front, "Lightning Spiral" seems to be the common name for the swinging Angle Slam now, and that name is very tied to Masato Yoshino's speedster gimmick.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 5, 2022 2:42:22 GMT -5
Or it's alternative name the Rocker Dropper for Marty. I thought these are different as the Rocker Dropper requires the opponent's arm being held followed by a drop, where as the Fame-Asser is more of a jumping attack. |
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Post by 67 more on Feb 5, 2022 15:46:47 GMT -5
Not a recognised or common move name, but when someone rolls backwards out of a sleeper or similar hold, I'll always call it the Bret Hart counter.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 5, 2022 18:05:41 GMT -5
The Vertebreaker (Shane Helms) and Kudo Driver (Megumi Kudo) names for the same move are both fairly equal depending on where you see them.
Ironically though, Kudo never called it that, she called it the Kudome Valentine. Cheerleader Melissa was the one who started calling it the Kudo Driver in America.
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Post by ianriccaboni on Feb 5, 2022 19:31:47 GMT -5
Either because the performer made it so good, or the name itself it too good I was wondering the other day why nobody every used the Razor’s edge. The few times they did, it never stuck and every time someone would use, we’d all think “that’s the Razor’s edge. The only one properly used and cal it the Razor’s edge on tv is Damien Priest and I thought it was neat they didn’t give it a new name Also, I notice the backwards Hurrican rana is always called the Poison Rana. Is that a Candace La Rae thing? Cause the poison pixie and all. Speaking of which, hurrican rana itself is named after a wrestling named Hurrican. The only other time I saw it something else is the Frankensteiner and that’s what I always referred to it at first when it started popping up in America, Carlito changed the Lung Blower to Back Cracker to Back stabber and now everyone calls it that The Strech muffler is often referred to as the Brock Lock I first saw and heard the Poison Hurricanrana called that about 16 years ago and it involved Matt Sydal. I'm not sure if it predates that but I bet it does. I'll go to my grave fighting that the Hurricanrana and the Frankensteiner are fundamentally different 😂 Re: lung blower - I think every televised promotion's play by play person minus WWE calls that move the lung blower. The only Stretch Muffler used as a finishing hold in recent times, at least with enough consistency to be referred to as anything was Dak Draper using the Mile High Muffler. |
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 5, 2022 19:40:06 GMT -5
It's kind of nuts that Kevin Nash had a 20 plus year career, multiple famous gimmicks, famous spots, but what's the one move that's now associated with the name he gave it?
Snake Eyes, from his time as Vinnie Vegas.
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Post by Psicofreak667 on Feb 5, 2022 19:59:46 GMT -5
The Beach Break (back to belly piledriver) was popularized if not innovated by Genki Horiguchi, who played a surfer gimmick back in 2001.
Horiguchi kept the Beach Break name even after he dropped the surfer gimmick. I'm not sure exactly when he did, but some time before 2004.
When Fire Ant started doing the move in 2005ish, he just kept the name Beach Break.
And when he started playing Orange Cassidy, he kept the move and the gimmick name.
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