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Post by Cyno on Feb 5, 2022 14:00:53 GMT -5
No, they have toxic fans, but to say they have the most toxic fanbase? I would say it's not even close even in the realm of wrestling. I've seen far worse in other non-AEW sections Fandoms in general all have toxic people, you're going to see them everywhere, it's just the territory of a fandom, unfortunately. I would argue strongly that there isn't really much toxicity here when it comes to AEW, no one gets "attacked' for their opinions, there is plenty of discussion though, that's why I come here for it, many places are worse. I'm not singling anyone out and this forum has great moderation so it doesn't run rampant. Having said that there definitely is a small amount of toxicity here, only not to thr extreme degrees like death threats. There is however an amount of passive aggressiveness and your opinion for the most part is dismissed if you say don't think the young bucks are all that good. For myself personally I watch dynamite mostly every week. WWE maybe once a month but follow the results. As I've said I enjoy some things on dynamite but there are things I think are not good but I don't feel comfortable expressing those thoughts here often not because I'm threatened or anything insane like that but you're definitely talked down to if you disagree so I'd argue there is a level of that toxicity just a different sort. On the flip side, you have people here who take disagreement with their criticisms as personal attacks and then bemoan that you can't be critical about AEW. Or people who post hot takes intentionally worded to get a rise out of people.
Let's not pretend like this kind of toxicity only exists in response to criticisms. And it's a discussion forum. There's going to be give and take. Opinions are not sacred.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 5, 2022 14:20:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure it's fair to include Hana Kimura's suicide into this, though. The abuse and harassment came when she was on a reality show and IIRC, it was "fans" of that show that came after her and not Japanese wrestling fans. Oh no that's why I included it. Because it came from outside of wrestling, and in particular, it came from a fandom that from the outside in looks like it should be way more chill because the show itself is a lot more cozy and chill than western reality series. To show that it's a problem across the internet and that even fandoms one would look at and think shoudl be pretty okay because the source material is lighter and more slice of life drove a woman to take her life due to harassment. because it's not about what you like or what kind of show you like, this sort of vile shit can and will happen in any corner of the internet. That's the value in bringing up Hana in this conversation. It's not about fandom or what kind of show you like or where your flag has been put into the ground, people online are in general too comfortable telling people to kill themselves, and the less moderated a space is, the more likely it is to veer toward horrific toxicity. The more time you spend on the internet and the more communities you spend your time in, the more apparent that becomes. As someone who's been Too Online since about 2004, I've seen it in countless forms and I've seen its gradual march into getting f***ing worse.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 5, 2022 14:23:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure it's fair to include Hana Kimura's suicide into this, though. The abuse and harassment came when she was on a reality show and IIRC, it was "fans" of that show that came after her and not Japanese wrestling fans. Oh no that's why I included it. Because it came from outside of wrestling, and in particular, it came from a fandom that from the outside in looks like it should be way more chill because the show itself is a lot more cozy and chill than western reality series. To show that it's a problem across the internet and that even fandoms one would look at and think shoudl be pretty okay because the source material is lighter and more slice of life drove a woman to take her life due to harassment. because it's not about what you like or what kind of show you like, this sort of vile shit can and will happen in any corner of the internet. That's the value in bringing up Hana in this conversation. It's not about fandom or what kind of show you like or where your flag has been put into the ground, people online are in general too comfortable telling people to kill themselves, and the less moderated a space is, the more likely it is to veer toward horrific toxicity. The more time you spend on the internet and the more communities you spend your time in, the more apparent that becomes. As someone who's been Too Online since about 2004, I've seen it in countless forms and I've seen its gradual march into getting f***ing worse. That was edited in to another post I saw who cited it as part of wrestling fandom.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 14:29:02 GMT -5
No, that'd be us Toxic Attraction fans.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 5, 2022 14:31:20 GMT -5
Oh no that's why I included it. Because it came from outside of wrestling, and in particular, it came from a fandom that from the outside in looks like it should be way more chill because the show itself is a lot more cozy and chill than western reality series. To show that it's a problem across the internet and that even fandoms one would look at and think shoudl be pretty okay because the source material is lighter and more slice of life drove a woman to take her life due to harassment. because it's not about what you like or what kind of show you like, this sort of vile shit can and will happen in any corner of the internet. That's the value in bringing up Hana in this conversation. It's not about fandom or what kind of show you like or where your flag has been put into the ground, people online are in general too comfortable telling people to kill themselves, and the less moderated a space is, the more likely it is to veer toward horrific toxicity. The more time you spend on the internet and the more communities you spend your time in, the more apparent that becomes. As someone who's been Too Online since about 2004, I've seen it in countless forms and I've seen its gradual march into getting f***ing worse. That was edited in to another post I saw who cited it as part of wrestling fandom. Oh, okay, fair. I hadn't seen anyone else bring Hana up, my bad. Edit: I now see it was directly under your post alright yeah that's where I got turned around on it.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Feb 5, 2022 14:41:52 GMT -5
Na, there is super gremlins in every fanbase That is what you get for feeding fans after midnight.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 5, 2022 14:43:28 GMT -5
That was edited in to another post I saw who cited it as part of wrestling fandom. Oh, okay, fair. I hadn't seen anyone else bring Hana up, my bad. Edit: I now see it was directly under your post alright yeah that's where I got turned around on it. I exist in non-linear time, just like the Prophets of Bajor.
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Post by r. on Feb 5, 2022 14:47:42 GMT -5
No. Thanks for asking.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 5, 2022 14:48:47 GMT -5
I feel like people are kinda sidestepping the issue here when they say "there's toxic aspects of every fandom." AEW has its share of toxic fans, but there's a couple of different toxic blocs which have the potential to turn into a nasty cocktail if they get emboldened.
But the obvious answer to the overall question is no; Jim Cornette has the most toxic fan base, period.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Feb 5, 2022 14:50:53 GMT -5
But the obvious answer to the overall question is no; Jim Cornette has the most toxic fan base, period. Yes. This. And it’s not even particularly close.
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Post by Mecca on Feb 5, 2022 15:05:52 GMT -5
There's shitty fans in all fan bases, my personal experience is the toxic E fans are worse but that's just an opinion.
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Post by eJm on Feb 5, 2022 15:07:48 GMT -5
There's shitty fans in all fan bases, my personal experience is the toxic E fans are worse but that's just an opinion. I personally SEE a lot more toxic E fans because their views are more idiotic but I can absolutely buy that there are ones on the other side so to speak
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Post by Mecca on Feb 5, 2022 15:13:57 GMT -5
There's shitty fans in all fan bases, my personal experience is the toxic E fans are worse but that's just an opinion. I personally SEE a lot more toxic E fans because their views are more idiotic but I can absolutely buy that there are ones on the other side so to speak That's what happens with me to I see the hardcore E drones saying stuff that hurts my brain and I'm like really man? If you think the WWE has no toxic fans or they're not as bad..I can link up a few twitter accounts that'll make you go oh shit ok.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 5, 2022 15:16:29 GMT -5
There are more toxic WWE fans simply because there are more WWE fans.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 5, 2022 15:38:45 GMT -5
No, they have toxic fans, but to say they have the most toxic fanbase? I would say it's not even close even in the realm of wrestling. I've seen far worse in other non-AEW sections Fandoms in general all have toxic people, you're going to see them everywhere, it's just the territory of a fandom, unfortunately. I would argue strongly that there isn't really much toxicity here when it comes to AEW, no one gets "attacked' for their opinions, there is plenty of discussion though, that's why I come here for it, many places are worse. I'm not singling anyone out and this forum has great moderation so it doesn't run rampant. Having said that there definitely is a small amount of toxicity here, only not to thr extreme degrees like death threats. There is however an amount of passive aggressiveness and your opinion for the most part is dismissed if you say don't think the young bucks are all that good. For myself personally I watch dynamite mostly every week. WWE maybe once a month but follow the results. As I've said I enjoy some things on dynamite but there are things I think are not good but I don't feel comfortable expressing those thoughts here often not because I'm threatened or anything insane like that but you're definitely talked down to if you disagree so I'd argue there is a level of that toxicity just a different sort. Not so sure about that, I've said repeatedly I loathe the Young Bucks rules free multi man car crash style of matches without being chased off by an angry mob.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 5, 2022 15:44:32 GMT -5
I mean, probably hard to beat ECW fans in their day and certain death match promotions today, but if the justification is death threats, then I received them back when I made the mistake of using Twitter when I suggested that HHH vs Taker wasn't that great of a rivarly. *shrug*
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Post by Cyno on Feb 5, 2022 15:49:49 GMT -5
I feel like people are kinda sidestepping the issue here when they say "there's toxic aspects of every fandom." AEW has its share of toxic fans, but there's a couple of different toxic blocs which have the potential to turn into a nasty cocktail if they get emboldened. I don't think there's anything uniquely toxic in AEW's fandom that wasn't already in wrestling fandom in general. Even those toxic blocs you mention co-exist in other corners of wrestling fandom (in fact, it's mostly the same people), and in a lot of mainstream fandom as a whole.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 5, 2022 15:54:13 GMT -5
At most you can say the AEW fandom can be defensive.
And some would say because there is other fanbases that are always looking to tear down their fanbase.
But none of that matters because the most toxic fanbase is Jim Cornette's because that is the one that actively and purposely seem to have the sole goal of harassing anyone and anything that they dont like.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 5, 2022 15:59:55 GMT -5
Nah,there's worse within wrestling and way worse outside. Star wars and gamergate stuff being worst I've seen outside wrestling. Football (soccer) has several special kinds of toxic but see that a little differently.
Then there's communities that are just semi random hate without even a focal point like fandom.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 16:03:31 GMT -5
Eh... It could be better. There's a reason a lot of talent don't post much on social media anymore since making it to AEW and there's a reason Punk seems to say not to let fans get to you every other week.
The wording of the original post is poor. Obviously AEW isn't the "most toxic fan base" but I think saying something like nah ECW back in the 90's was worse isn't really that great of a selling point either. We've even had people delete their accounts over disagreements in this very forum so I always think fans can do better even in a place like this where things are generally very civil. Hell I was told a few months back by a poster that they don't care how I feel and it stopped me from posting here for weeks. I don't want that kind of shit in my life when I come to discuss wrestling. This place isn't above being shitty to people sometimes, neither is the AEW fanbase but it is clearly far worse in other places. I don't think this is a binary good/bad thing. The fan base can definitely improve the way they treat wrestlers, each other, and other fan bases even if it's not the worst out there.
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