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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 6, 2022 17:39:14 GMT -5
Gotta “both sides” it with the defensive talk. In the run up to the rumble the wwe section was unreadable with “don’t watch it then!” and “it’s the fans fault!” rants to lighthearted and even constructive threads that had clearly been unread or misinterpreted by their critics. Expecting similar for a week or two before mania and probably a week after if the event under-delivers. I will occasionally wonder to myself if the tribalistic WWE fans or the tribalistic AEW fans are worse before realizing Yes. Yeah that's kinda what I mean as far as 'it happens everywhere' and all. It's a problem of behavior. The logo you put on it doesn't change it much at all, it's annoying no matter what form it takes, because the kind of person who does that isn't being fueled in reality by what they like, that's getting it backwards. They treat what they like in that way because that's how they treat things they like and if they were a fervent fan of a specific game or movie it'd be the exact same way. Often, they are that same way about other stuff, wrestling is just the way other wrestling fans interface with them so they see that side of the interest. The crazy WWE fans and the crazy AEW fans are the same people wearing different hats. The only thing one can ever have over the other is number in a specific space.
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Post by Fade on Feb 6, 2022 18:57:16 GMT -5
I will occasionally wonder to myself if the tribalistic WWE fans or the tribalistic AEW fans are worse before realizing Yes. Yeah that's kinda what I mean as far as 'it happens everywhere' and all. It's a problem of behavior. The logo you put on it doesn't change it much at all, it's annoying no matter what form it takes, because the kind of person who does that isn't being fueled in reality by what they like, that's getting it backwards. They treat what they like in that way because that's how they treat things they like and if they were a fervent fan of a specific game or movie it'd be the exact same way. Often, they are that same way about other stuff, wrestling is just the way other wrestling fans interface with them so they see that side of the interest. The crazy WWE fans and the crazy AEW fans are the same people wearing different hats. The only thing one can ever have over the other is number in a specific space. What trips me out is the inadvertent damage they do towards the perception of whatever thing they’re obsessed/fixated on. And the lack of awareness of that but 🤷 .. c'est la vie.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 6, 2022 18:59:52 GMT -5
Yeah that's kinda what I mean as far as 'it happens everywhere' and all. It's a problem of behavior. The logo you put on it doesn't change it much at all, it's annoying no matter what form it takes, because the kind of person who does that isn't being fueled in reality by what they like, that's getting it backwards. They treat what they like in that way because that's how they treat things they like and if they were a fervent fan of a specific game or movie it'd be the exact same way. Often, they are that same way about other stuff, wrestling is just the way other wrestling fans interface with them so they see that side of the interest. The crazy WWE fans and the crazy AEW fans are the same people wearing different hats. The only thing one can ever have over the other is number in a specific space. What trips me out is the inadvertent damage they do towards the perception of whatever thing they’re obsessed/fixated on. And the lack of awareness of that but 🤷 .. c'est la vie. I sometimes wonder if they can take a step back and realize that if they just stopped with the "us or them" crap, they'd do a lot less damage to their own preference. And then I realize that they do not give a single crap about that.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Feb 6, 2022 19:06:51 GMT -5
Well they get overly defensive and pissy whenever AEW gets called out for doing things they would cheer along with if WWE was the one being called out.
So yeah, pretty darn toxic.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 6, 2022 19:17:52 GMT -5
The fact we managed to have a discussion about the nuances of fan toxicity and defensiveness with very little friction or bad faith comments even while having various disagreements and divergent views through to page five was a good accomplishment and I'm very happy we as a community were able to do that. Shame that's over now I guess.
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Post by RI Richmark on Feb 6, 2022 19:33:33 GMT -5
I think the most toxic fanbases are the ones who either ignore the toxicity (My little Pony and it's Nazi problem)There's something I'd never thought I'd read. And please don't tell me the context I don't want to know.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 6, 2022 19:41:15 GMT -5
The fact we managed to have a discussion about the nuances of fan toxicity and defensiveness with very little friction or bad faith comments even while having various disagreements and divergent views through to page five was a good accomplishment and I'm very happy we as a community were able to do that. Shame that's over now I guess. There is a certain irony about a toxic fan complaining about toxicity I guess. Or at least lacking in self-awareness.
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Post by Woo on Feb 6, 2022 20:36:29 GMT -5
If you wrestling fanbases are toxic you should check out anime.
If you think anime fanbases are toxic you should check out Kpop.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2022 20:46:40 GMT -5
r/politics is pretty much the zenith of toxicity I have seen on the internet imo right behind r/soccer.
Wrestling fandom is toxic but it is not specific with AEW. At worst, the AEW fanbase is sensitive. I'd argue though the actually trolling comes from people bashing AEW, taking advantage of their defensiveness.
Actual WWE defenders are rare imo. General thought online is that WWE product sucks. I don't count r/scjerk, as they are more concerned of trolling AEW and the indies and would side with what the WWE is doing because of the contrast.
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Post by ghost on Feb 7, 2022 19:04:37 GMT -5
When it comes to social media, Jadakiss said it best:
30 something and you ain't never open your mouth yet Social media is giving cowards an outlet See him in person, say something, I doubt that Rather get caught with it than get caught without that
Social media has given the weak the ability to become the bullies themselves except with a shield of anonymity to avoid any real consequences, which is why you see such vile BS written on social media. It really is the worst thing to happen to society, even factoring the good that comes with it (getting news within seconds).
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Post by HeyYo on Feb 8, 2022 7:42:41 GMT -5
Try being a fan of the New York Rangers. Apparently I should burn in Hell for thinking Wayne Gretzky was a good hockey player.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Feb 8, 2022 8:30:16 GMT -5
Try being a fan of the New York Rangers. Apparently I should burn in Hell for thinking Wayne Gretzky was a good hockey player. Don’t think I’ve ever met a full blown Rangers fan before
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Post by mc74 on Feb 8, 2022 9:21:39 GMT -5
I wouldn’t say the AEW fan base is any more or any less toxic than any other fan base, even outside of wrestling. There’s an element of virtually every fan base you can think of - wrestling, sports, movies, games, comics, whatever - that is entitled, hostile towards outsiders and responds to criticism by lashing out. Some of them are just awful people. I’m sure that type of person exists in the AEW fan base, but those losers are everywhere. Pretty much this. Every fanbase has its fair share of toxic people within it, and as Urethra said here, there are people out there that don't take criticism well. Instead of accepting that everyone has their own tastes, they take it very personally & lash out against it. With the tribalism going on within the wrestling fanbase, we unfortunately see a lot of that. It's sad to see, really.
I mean, I accept that there are elements in pro wrestling that I like that won't appeal to others & vice versa, but at the end of the day, everyone has their own personal preferences. I know it gets said a lot, but it needs to be preached. Like what you like, don't be a dick.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 8, 2022 9:40:28 GMT -5
Yeah that's kinda what I mean as far as 'it happens everywhere' and all. It's a problem of behavior. The logo you put on it doesn't change it much at all, it's annoying no matter what form it takes, because the kind of person who does that isn't being fueled in reality by what they like, that's getting it backwards. They treat what they like in that way because that's how they treat things they like and if they were a fervent fan of a specific game or movie it'd be the exact same way. Often, they are that same way about other stuff, wrestling is just the way other wrestling fans interface with them so they see that side of the interest. The crazy WWE fans and the crazy AEW fans are the same people wearing different hats. The only thing one can ever have over the other is number in a specific space. What trips me out is the inadvertent damage they do towards the perception of whatever thing they’re obsessed/fixated on. And the lack of awareness of that but 🤷 .. c'est la vie. Some of the onus is on the people making snap judgments, admittedly. If someone misses out on stuff because they find some of the fans annoying, that's honestly saying as much about the one doing it than it is the annoying fans.
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Post by Kalmia on Feb 8, 2022 9:56:26 GMT -5
I think one problem with AEW fans is that there are a lot of bad faith actors out there - people that purposely post shitty takes about AEW to rile up its fanbase. And it usually works. But after a while, it can become tricky to separate the bad faith takes from the genuine criticisms, so people overreact to everything. There are entire Twitter accounts, with decent followings, dedicated to posting exaggerated at best, untrue at worst stuff about AEW. Instead of blocking and getting on with their lives, some AEW fans wade in and try to fight.
That's why I like here. AEW gets criticism and often it's criticism I completely disagree with, but at least I know it's genuine.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 8, 2022 11:36:06 GMT -5
Try being a fan of the New York Rangers.
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Post by HeyYo on Feb 8, 2022 15:18:01 GMT -5
Try being a fan of the New York Rangers. Apparently I should burn in Hell for thinking Wayne Gretzky was a good hockey player. Don’t think I’ve ever met a full blown Rangers fan before We're rare in Canada
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 13:21:42 GMT -5
I think one problem with AEW fans is that there are a lot of bad faith actors out there - people that purposely post shitty takes about AEW to rile up its fanbase. And it usually works. But after a while, it can become tricky to separate the bad faith takes from the genuine criticisms, so people overreact to everything. There are entire Twitter accounts, with decent followings, dedicated to posting exaggerated at best, untrue at worst stuff about AEW. Instead of blocking and getting on with their lives, some AEW fans wade in and try to fight. That's why I like here. AEW gets criticism and often it's criticism I completely disagree with, but at least I know it's genuine. Agreed that here is better than say Twitter and Reddit. Twitter is designed for hot takes and shit talking, based on the limitation of how many words you can write in one post. Reddit has another issue, with many wrestling redditors being very quick to click on the downvote button without ignoring or accepting that their is a different opinion than there's. Sometimes the criticism is valid and justified. I agree that social media gave cowards a way to express themselves without being outed. It is the same phenomenon when a poor person becomes rich, and the nasty personality begins coming out, as opposed to being poor and playing by the rules. Another big problem I am seeing, which can be saved for another topic, is when wrestlers themselves engage with these people on Twitter. It makes them look very sensitive, especially when some go far out and delete their accounts because of the criticism.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 17:57:01 GMT -5
I've spent less time in this area of the forum I'll say that much.
Most toxic? Nah. Go to an MCU forum and say the Netflix/ABC/Hulu shows are still canon... People will wish death upon your dog.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Feb 9, 2022 18:05:35 GMT -5
My thing with AEW is that through two years it's the most universally beloved wrestling show to have ever existed. The satisfaction levels of the people who enjoy it are off the charts. Sometimes there are two shows a week it puts out that get rated a 10 by the majority.
That's why I find it odd when people are so consistently defensive about the show. It's not like the WWE board where the overwhelming consensus is the show is complete shit. People love AEW, there's really no need to do a point by point rebuttal of the rare negative posts.
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