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Post by ppl591 on Feb 5, 2022 16:09:37 GMT -5
My original question was wrestling only. I could've worded the title better for sure.
The idea only came up from watching the markyd video where he had to put a disclaimer for fans to not leave or send threats to his channel and the fans of the channel who posted in agreement that the particular episode of dynamite wasn't that good in his opinion. I guess that combined with personal experience I asked the question but I meant wrestling wise and more online. I'm not going to argue that things said online are more toxic than say that fan that threw a pizza cutter at cardona at the gcw show. Just more the attacks that I've seen from seemingly well meaning fans who may not disagree with the majority.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 5, 2022 16:09:56 GMT -5
Eh, I'm not going to lose much sleep over the guy being an ableist shithead about Danhausen, then doubling down on it, deleting his account over being called out on it. Some of the arguments can get heated for no real reason, but the people deleting their accounts aren't all innocent victims or anything either. In a number of cases, it just saves the mods the trouble of suspending or banning them first.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 16:10:40 GMT -5
Online its WWE fans by a mile, even on here which is relatively sane there are 3 or 4 who are deranged at AEW's existence and have Tony Khan running around 24/7 up there rent free (along with Meltzer for some reason) so of course on twitter its that x a million and wrestling twitter was unbearable before AEW.
Offline it might be the reverse, WWE crowds are more family centered while AEW is full of young men who get giddy at one sniff of the barmaids apron. Already we've seen idiots target Rose and Moxley (thankfully it backfired on both and the rest of the crowd self-policed well) but I fear it's a matter of time before a rowdy big city AEW crowd tries to get themselves over, similar to how the post WM raws were. Probably be some cringey chants from AEW fans attending raw when the two companies end up running shows in the same week in neighboring areas.
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Post by Kalmia on Feb 5, 2022 16:11:04 GMT -5
I think most fanbases have the same percentage of toxic fans. So that means the larger the fan base, the more toxic ones it attracts.
I will say this though - go on Twitter and dare to criticise Roman Reigns or Alexa Bliss and see how your mentions cope. It'll be a completely different experience from criticising, say, Omega and Baker.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Feb 5, 2022 16:16:25 GMT -5
I’d say not really. Probably same amount as any other wrestling company. Unfortunately just a symptom of modern society
I only really discuss wrestling here so because of how well modded it is. Plus the old block button is a good fail safe ha
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Post by Cyno on Feb 5, 2022 16:20:32 GMT -5
Online its WWE fans by a mile, even on here which is relatively sane there are 3 or 4 who are deranged at AEW's existence and have Tony Khan running around 24/7 up there rent free (along with Meltzer for some reason) so of course on twitter its that x a million and wrestling twitter was unbearable before AEW. Offline it might be the reverse, WWE crowds are more family centered while AEW is full of young men who get giddy at one sniff of the barmaids apron. Already we've seen idiots target Rose and Moxley (thankfully it backfired on both and the rest of the crowd self-policed well) but I fear it's a matter of time before a rowdy big city AEW crowd tries to get themselves over, similar to how the post WM raws were. Probably be some cringey chants from AEW fans attending raw when the two companies end up running shows in the same week in neighboring areas. That's the one thing I will never get: spending God knows how much money on a ticket for a WWE show just to openly shit on it and not even attempt to enjoy it. It's one thing if you're going with high hopes and a segment absolutely sucks (see: the "TNA" chants that broke out during that infamous "Rosie" vs. "Donald" match). But those tickets aren't cheap at all, and there's just so many better ways to spend your time and money than going to a WWE show with the intention of shitting on it. Especially since Vince and co. have the last laugh because you gave them your money.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 5, 2022 16:39:42 GMT -5
I feel like people are kinda sidestepping the issue here when they say "there's toxic aspects of every fandom." AEW has its share of toxic fans, but there's a couple of different toxic blocs which have the potential to turn into a nasty cocktail if they get emboldened. But the obvious answer to the overall question is no; Jim Cornette has the most toxic fan base, period. For me it's not so much a sidestep as it a matter of answering the actual question; OP asked if death threats are something happening elsewhere and in reality they happen everywhere. AEW has its toxic fans, has its people who are absolutely atrocious, but the attempt to measure if it's the most bad or the most toxic isn't an exercise in addressing those audience segments, it's just straight-up about painting with a brush. The toxic fans need to be booted out and those sentiments come across in things like that thread about the Long Island crowd from a month or two ago. In my experience, trying to measure 'This fandom has the worst' is actually how people sidestep things. I've seen it devolve into pissing contests, I've seen justifications for why if other people are worse then they aren't a problem, hell I've even seen people use those ideas for justifications to say those fans are so bad they deserve people being shitty at them. Once you start to put those labels down, people are going to use them as banners and it becomes a problem. It's sentiments that comes from experience in many communities and seeing many of these sorts of things play out. Hell, there was a thread on here a few months ago where someone talked about tweets criticizing AEW fans for being the worst, but then that same tweet guy was following AEWBotches and Meltzersaidwhat. That's exactly the sort of thing that I see as the danger of this specific path. The question was if AEW is the worst, and less about the management of them or about the dealing with them. It took a condemnable behavior and it framed it in broader terms. The goblins in AEW's fanbase need to be ejected and communities would do well to not tolerate their shit and push them out of the zones they have any sort of traction in. Behaviors should be criticized and fandoms shouldn't be absolved of them. Saying there's awful people everywhere isn't avoidance of that, it's the step in framing the conversation better. "X fans are the worst" is tail-chasing, representing not a measure of trying to get those people out or addressing what needs to be done, but painting with a broad brush and in a way that often very intentionally creates distance that prevents that call to action. Unless you have a group built from the ground up on a basis of harassment, you're damning the sentiment from the word go.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Feb 5, 2022 17:20:21 GMT -5
Only if you care what other people think
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Post by nihilismizhawt on Feb 5, 2022 18:30:20 GMT -5
What an insulting thing to say about a fandom in a particular forum. Reminds me of when Fox News has headlines like "Is Obama the most corrupt President in history?" Oh,they're just asking, not pushing an agenda or anything.
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Post by ppl591 on Feb 5, 2022 18:59:06 GMT -5
What an insulting thing to say about a fandom in a particular forum. Reminds me of when Fox News has headlines like "Is Obama the most corrupt President in history?" Oh,they're just asking, not pushing an agenda or anything. I have no agenda as you implied with this response it was a question based on things I've seen and experienced. Comparing me to fox news isn't exactly the most cordial thing. I'm not a cornette follower, not one of the trolls on Twitter or reddit I simply asked as someone who doesn't see everything or even most things as the best thing going.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 5, 2022 21:24:55 GMT -5
I only really discuss wrestling on FAN because of its civility. Here, I would say AEW fans don’t tend to be toxic. Maybe a little overly defensive of criticism at times but not toxic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 22:20:56 GMT -5
Here, I would say AEW fans don’t tend to be toxic. Maybe a little overly defensive of criticism at times but not toxic. This. Super defensive is different than toxic and when it's being defensive ain't nothing that not paying attention and/or ignoring won't fix. It ain't be a big deal. Wrestling as a whole's filled with toxic people tho but that's most mediums. Wrestling, music, gaming, movies, it's everywhere.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 5, 2022 22:24:30 GMT -5
I only really discuss wrestling on FAN because of its civility. Here, I would say AEW fans don’t tend to be toxic. Maybe a little overly defensive of criticism at times but not toxic. Right, and even that I get sometimes when people try to take one established notion and apply it to something it doesn't fit with, like, "TNA once did ___, therefore, AEW is TNA" or "Brandi Rhodes is Stephanie McMahon, I decided", etc. I think a lot of that also just comes down to wrestling fans being, like many people, very pattern focused. There's nothing new under the sun, so it's easy to want to compare things, but it can also make for really reductive arguments.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Feb 5, 2022 22:59:02 GMT -5
Eh, I'm not going to lose much sleep over the guy being an ableist shithead about Danhausen, then doubling down on it, deleting his account over being called out on it. Some of the arguments can get heated for no real reason, but the people deleting their accounts aren't all innocent victims or anything either. In a number of cases, it just saves the mods the trouble of suspending or banning them first. The sad thing is dude probably went on social media and/or Reddit and cited the whole incident as why “AEW fans are hive mind toxic assholes” or some shit. Assholes are always the heroes of their own story.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Feb 5, 2022 23:13:57 GMT -5
Nah not even close
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Feb 6, 2022 0:06:29 GMT -5
Nah BTS has the most toxic fanbase. The stories I could tell.
I've become disenfranchised with AEW in the last few months, and have very strong opinions on Tony Khan as a booker, but I've been able to have open and mature discussions about it with even the most ardent of AEW fans.
Then again I don't have Twitter, and have never bothered learning how to use it. So that could be my saving grace.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2022 0:23:07 GMT -5
I only really discuss wrestling on FAN because of its civility. Here, I would say AEW fans don’t tend to be toxic. Maybe a little overly defensive of criticism at times but not toxic. Overly-defensive is a good way to put it. I think it just stems from those who were begging for a true competitor for the WWE in North America for so many years that they now feel like AEW is something they must protect from harm at all costs. And I get it, to an extent. AEW is the only wrestling I consume regularly. But that doesn't mean that I can't voice my complaints with something and why I don't like it.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Feb 6, 2022 0:28:50 GMT -5
Annoyingly defensive? Positive to a fault? Sure. Sometimes?
The most toxic fan base? No way.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Feb 6, 2022 0:46:17 GMT -5
Now if the question was “does wrestling have the most toxic fan base,” I think we could have a conversation. But I don’t think I’d ever say AEW’s fan base in particular is toxic. As said, very defensive, but I think most AEW fans are just happy to enjoy wrestling again. Toxic is a head scratcher.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 6, 2022 2:34:38 GMT -5
It's all relative, but even if you count the absolute worst segments of pro wrestling fandom, I think there's a lot worse fandoms in general. SCJerk comes closest to the absolute dregs of fandom like the Fandom Menace, ComicsGate, Snyder Cultists, TrekBros, Homestuck, etc.
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