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Post by eJm on Feb 20, 2022 17:09:36 GMT -5
I mean, I also can’t really see Sid accepting a handshake from Lex Luger before taking said clothesline because that’d make Sid look dumb. Adding to that the fact that Lex has an in-canon (and real life) metal plate in his arm so any shot from that arm would potentially knocks him out. Not saying that was your intention with using that example but there are glaring differences between the two. This was in 1990, well before the plate in Luger's arm. Sid had his back to Luger, turned, got clotheslined, and pinned. "Got caught" was the rationale used. So like I said (outside the plate thing), he got caught in a move he didn’t expect, which can happen. He didn’t look like an idiot shaking his hand and taking the move.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 20, 2022 18:52:06 GMT -5
If they really wanted to make her look strong while also bringing her back for this show in particular, why not have her attack someone post match in a blackout spot?
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Post by cjh on Feb 20, 2022 21:32:24 GMT -5
This was in 1990, well before the plate in Luger's arm. Sid had his back to Luger, turned, got clotheslined, and pinned. "Got caught" was the rationale used. So like I said (outside the plate thing), he got caught in a move he didn’t expect, which can happen. He didn’t look like an idiot shaking his hand and taking the move. He absolutely looked like an idiot, yet WCW considered it "protecting" him. The poster I was responding to asked why WWE didn't care about making look Belair look strong at SummerSlam. They believe that they did.
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Post by eJm on Feb 20, 2022 21:38:04 GMT -5
So like I said (outside the plate thing), he got caught in a move he didn’t expect, which can happen. He didn’t look like an idiot shaking his hand and taking the move. He absolutely looked like an idiot, yet WCW considered it "protecting" him. The poster I was responding to asked why WWE didn't care about making look Belair look strong at SummerSlam. They believe that they did. But you’re not even using an example of the same thing is what I’m saying. Like, WCW probably did something where someone shook someone’s hand, used that hand to put them in a move and pin them right away. That’s completely different from what you’re saying because at least with Sid/Luger, Sid turned around and got hit with a move.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 20, 2022 21:48:22 GMT -5
He absolutely looked like an idiot, yet WCW considered it "protecting" him. The poster I was responding to asked why WWE didn't care about making look Belair look strong at SummerSlam. They believe that they did. But you’re not even using an example of the same thing is what I’m saying. Like, WCW probably did something where someone shook someone’s hand, used that hand to put them in a move and pin them right away. That’s completely different from what you’re saying because at least with Sid/Luger, Sid turned around and got hit with a move. Yeah, the Sid/Luger is closer to Bryan/Sheamus than Bianca/Becky.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 20, 2022 21:52:59 GMT -5
If the goal was to have Bianca look strong, why have her enter last in the gauntlet and last in the Chamber? Have her make a run from start to finish.
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Post by cjh on Feb 20, 2022 22:08:08 GMT -5
He absolutely looked like an idiot, yet WCW considered it "protecting" him. The poster I was responding to asked why WWE didn't care about making look Belair look strong at SummerSlam. They believe that they did. But you’re not even using an example of the same thing is what I’m saying. Like, WCW probably did something where someone shook someone’s hand, used that hand to put them in a move and pin them right away. That’s completely different from what you’re saying because at least with Sid/Luger, Sid turned around and got hit with a move. I just looked up the Sid/Luger match and forgot this happened. Sid jumped Luger at the bell, then just decided to turn his focus to Ole Anderson exiting the ring for no reason except to give Luger the opening to clothesline him. It was even worse than I remembered, and he looked just as dumb if not more so than Belair did.
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Post by eJm on Feb 20, 2022 22:11:44 GMT -5
But you’re not even using an example of the same thing is what I’m saying. Like, WCW probably did something where someone shook someone’s hand, used that hand to put them in a move and pin them right away. That’s completely different from what you’re saying because at least with Sid/Luger, Sid turned around and got hit with a move. I just looked up the Sid/Luger match and forgot this happened. Sid jumped Luger at the bell, then just decided to turn his focus to Ole Anderson exiting the ring for no reason except to give Luger the opening to clothesline him. It was even worse than I remembered, and he looked just as dumb if not more so than Belair did. I haven’t watched both and I’m pretty sure that your description of that isn’t anywhere near as dumb as accepting a handshake and then being hit by a move with nothing else happening before. If you want to compare it to something, Rock/Rowan is way more apt.
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 20, 2022 22:12:25 GMT -5
If the goal was to have Bianca look strong, why have her enter last in the gauntlet and last in the Chamber? Have her make a run from start to finish. Also in the gauntlet match they had her beat up on Rhea, who’s another popular babyface who had just had to pin three other women and was exhausted. It was a fun match, but the booking for this whole thing was bizarre if the goal was to build Bianca?
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 20, 2022 22:15:31 GMT -5
If the goal was to have Bianca look strong, why have her enter last in the gauntlet and last in the Chamber? Have her make a run from start to finish. Also in the gauntlet match they had her beat up on Rhea, who’s another popular babyface who had just had to pin three other women and was exhausted. It was a fun match, but the booking for this whole thing was bizarre if the goal was to build Bianca? Reminded me of MSK in the Dusty Cup Tournament where they're the top babyface tag team and only faced babyfaces throughout the whole tournament.
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Post by theironyuppie on Feb 20, 2022 22:21:03 GMT -5
If the goal was to have Bianca look strong, why have her enter last in the gauntlet and last in the Chamber? Have her make a run from start to finish.
Sowing seeds for a feud during her title reign, perhaps?
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Post by cjh on Feb 20, 2022 22:24:24 GMT -5
I just looked up the Sid/Luger match and forgot this happened. Sid jumped Luger at the bell, then just decided to turn his focus to Ole Anderson exiting the ring for no reason except to give Luger the opening to clothesline him. It was even worse than I remembered, and he looked just as dumb if not more so than Belair did. I haven’t watched both and I’m pretty sure that your description of that isn’t anywhere near as dumb as accepting a handshake and then being hit by a move with nothing else happening before. If you want to compare it to something, Rock/Rowan is way more apt. I did watch both. Sid wandered away from Luger for no logical reason, just like there was no reason for Belair to take Lynch's hand. They both then got beat by the opponent's first and only move of the match. In both instances, it was done to give the loser an excuse for the loss.
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Post by eJm on Feb 20, 2022 22:27:47 GMT -5
I haven’t watched both and I’m pretty sure that your description of that isn’t anywhere near as dumb as accepting a handshake and then being hit by a move with nothing else happening before. If you want to compare it to something, Rock/Rowan is way more apt. I did watch both. Sid wandered away from Luger for no logical reason, just like there was no reason for Belair to take Lynch's hand. They both then got beat by the opponent's first and only move of the match. In both instances, it was done to give the loser an excuse for the loss. But didn’t you say Sid ambushed Luger before the match, then wondered away and got hit when he turned back? My point is he actually did something, got distracted and then lost. Bianca, someone who didn’t even do anything to Becky, or her opponent Sasha who just no showed, took someone’s hand and lost. That’s objectively worse and only similar for the “intention”.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Feb 20, 2022 23:19:36 GMT -5
I haven’t watched both and I’m pretty sure that your description of that isn’t anywhere near as dumb as accepting a handshake and then being hit by a move with nothing else happening before. If you want to compare it to something, Rock/Rowan is way more apt. I did watch both. Sid wandered away from Luger for no logical reason, just like there was no reason for Belair to take Lynch's hand. They both then got beat by the opponent's first and only move of the match. In both instances, it was done to give the loser an excuse for the loss. I wouldn’t say there was no reason to shake Becky’s hand. If it was a heel v face then yeah you’d be dumb to fall for it. Faces show respect to each other all the time though. The last time we saw Becky she was a badass face who would take on anyone straight-up. She wouldn’t cheap shot another babyface in such a cowardly fashion without provocation. She’s back after a year, a new mother and beaming with happiness. Bianca’s character wouldn’t refuse a handshake in that situation. In fact she would look like a terrible sport if she did. I think Adam Page for instance came off like a way bigger idiot last week on Dynamite when he accepted Adam Cole’s handshake. Everyone watching knew he was going to get jumped by his lackeys. With Bianca/Becky it was a genuine shock. No one was expecting her to turn heel. Her blindsiding Bianca like that was as much a shock to fans as it was to Bianca.
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Post by cjh on Feb 21, 2022 0:02:30 GMT -5
I did watch both. Sid wandered away from Luger for no logical reason, just like there was no reason for Belair to take Lynch's hand. They both then got beat by the opponent's first and only move of the match. In both instances, it was done to give the loser an excuse for the loss. But didn’t you say Sid ambushed Luger before the match, then wondered away and got hit when he turned back? My point is he actually did something, got distracted and then lost. Bianca, someone who didn’t even do anything to Becky, or her opponent Sasha who just no showed, took someone’s hand and lost. That’s objectively worse and only similar for the “intention”. Sid didn't really get distracted, though. He decided on his own to turn his back to Luger and walk away when he could have just continued his attack. The two finishes weren't identical in their move-for-move execution, but they were very much alike. They were booked with the intent of "protecting" the loser with a sudden, unexpected loss. Instead, it came off as Sid/Belair making an unforced error.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 21, 2022 0:28:20 GMT -5
If the goal was to have Bianca look strong, why have her enter last in the gauntlet and last in the Chamber? Have her make a run from start to finish. The problem there is the stip for winning the gauntlet, which was the right to enter last, because it makes it impossible go from start-to-finish in both the gauntlet and the Chamber. If she runs the table in the gauntlet, you can't do anything like that with her in the Chamber because she's entering last. If you want her to go start-to-finish in the Chamber, you have to invent some kind of bullshit way to f*** her over in the gauntlet beforehand.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 21, 2022 0:34:51 GMT -5
I guess Bianca didn't need this kind of booking sentiment when Becky clowned her at Summerslam huh?
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Post by theironyuppie on Feb 21, 2022 0:37:38 GMT -5
I guess Bianca didn't need this kind of booking sentiment when Becky clowned her at Summerslam huh?
She's been extremely protected ever since though. The bonus is that that Summerslam moment (which only happened due to Sasha being out on short notice) means that people won't notice her booking being so strong in general.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 21, 2022 0:38:08 GMT -5
If the goal was to have Bianca look strong, why have her enter last in the gauntlet and last in the Chamber? Have her make a run from start to finish. Also in the gauntlet match they had her beat up on Rhea, who’s another popular babyface who had just had to pin three other women and was exhausted. It was a fun match, but the booking for this whole thing was bizarre if the goal was to build Bianca? Guessing they wanted to do both, building Bianca a bit while also trying to make Rhea look good. I wouldn't be surprised if Rhea vs Bianca will be a feud they run with down the line and this was some sort of taste.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 21, 2022 0:41:17 GMT -5
I guess Bianca didn't need this kind of booking sentiment when Becky clowned her at Summerslam huh?
She's been extremely protected ever since though. The bonus is that that Summerslam moment (which only happened due to Sasha being out on short notice) means that people won't notice her booking being so strong in general.
While I agree her booking has been great since, still really hate that moment had to happen period, there had to be a better way to do it. I would have even done a Becky vs Bianca vs Carmella triple threat, have Bianca dominate Carmella, and Becky sneaks the win... it would have literally made Bianca's sentiments about Becky getting lucky make so much more sense. It'd make Bianca feeling like Becky's specter she can't beat feel more real because she didn't then and the subsequent Sasha interference. It was still an awful booking decision where in a rare stroke of luck WWE hasn't had completely kill Bianca dead and they've gone extra miles to rehab it.
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