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Post by agent817 on Mar 8, 2022 0:53:13 GMT -5
This could apply to various promotions, but I had thought of this recently. One of my primary examples of revisionist history is Undertaker vs. Triple H. Back in the early-2000s, the two faced each other at Wrestlemania X-Seven. I recall Undertaker saying something to the effect of "You have never beaten me," which made me remember that the two had a match on Smackdown the previous summer that Triple H had won. Unless free TV matches don't count, not sure what to say about this.
But then came the following decade when the two were set to have their match at Wrestlemania 27, which was more ridiculous, in my opinion. I don't recall them saying "for the first time ever," but it was sold as a match that had not happened before and also as a big deal. At least with Shawn Michaels, some people had recalled their legendary Hell in a Cell match and stuff, but after Wrestlemania 25, it seems that match is talked about more than their Hell in a Cell match.
Any other examples of revisionist history?
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Post by jimmyjames on Mar 8, 2022 4:34:20 GMT -5
WWE and DX invading Nitro in the "tank". How WCW was scared to let them in and how it embarrassing it was to WCW and was the cause of their downward spiral. Forget that the "tank" was a jeep with a length of PVC pipe painted black and tied to the rear, or that half of it was HH making phallic jokes, or that while IMO it was funny it has to be the one of the most overrated things in WWF/E history especially with how they try to make it so integral in the downfall of WCW. Also how they conveniently forget that they ran the bit into the ground over the next couple of weeks when they had DX try to "invade" the CNN center and no one their cared followed up by one of the dumbest bits from the Attitude Era; HHH "flying" a fighter, with even more unfunny phallic jokes and then skywriting "WCW is Poopy." I think there might have been more to that but after more than twenty years I've forgotten. Needless to saw, the last two never make the WWE greatest hits reels like DX and the tank.
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Post by The Barber on Mar 8, 2022 4:58:42 GMT -5
Take your pick. You can choose as many as you want.
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Post by chrom on Mar 8, 2022 7:55:41 GMT -5
WWE has rewritten history so many times even they don't know what really happened
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 8, 2022 7:59:28 GMT -5
Something something Michael Cole saying "I never saw...before!"
Non WWE examples...
Sting's heel turn in 1999. Sting turning into The Crow was now him becoming more EVIL.
Any Bill Watts burial whenever someone from Mid South left for elsewhere. Suddenly "they were never that tough" etc. etc.
Sabu being the good guy in the Taz thing? I am mostly thinking of Paul E. defending him when he came back when before he buried him for going to NJPW, "F*** Sabu" and all that...
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Mar 8, 2022 8:04:27 GMT -5
"My philosophy is, 'Help yourself, don't hurt the other guy.'"
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 8, 2022 8:11:49 GMT -5
I got another...The Mae Young Classic. Look, I get it....modern audiences only knew of two "old timey" women's wrestlers cause they were the ones that were on the television from the late 90s up. Mildred Burke wasn't around to be comic relief, for instance. And that's the issue. Yes Mae was one of the originals and was really tough even in her senior years. But most of us remember her as comic relief and all those wacky skits. Now we should take her legacy seriously?
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Mar 8, 2022 8:24:06 GMT -5
Also, "The territories ran small shows in high school gyms and Vince McMahon brought it into arenas and truly turned it into a money making business."
Most of the territories ran arena shows at least monthly (sometimes weekly) and while there were shows in high school gyms (something the WWF also did) there were also shows in smaller arenas and large armories.
And if you think the likes of Jerry Jarrett, Bill Watts, Verne Gagne, Fritz Von Erich, and Ron Fuller didn't make tons of cash, I don't know what to tell you.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Mar 8, 2022 11:11:42 GMT -5
The WWE has had several phases of distinct historiography and would reset parameters depending on the era to fit their narrative.
-In the Hogan Era, History began the moment Hogan beat Iron Sheik for the title. We were supposed to forgot Hogan's heel days, he and Andre's previous feud. When present, guys like Bruno, Pedro, Lou Albano, and Superstar Billy Graham were treated as legends, but the details of their days on top were seldom discussed.
-Once Hogan left for good, the beginning of time was basically Summerslam 1993 with some references to KOTR, but mainly just to explain the start of the Bret/Lawler feud. Hogan, Savage (after 94), Warrior, Flair, etc never existed. In 1996-97, they even wanted us to forgot that Bret and Shawn had fought about a hundred times in 1992 and as opposing tag teams. History before 93-94 was Andre the Giant, Gorilla Monsoon, Arnold Skaaland, Jimmy Snuka, Roddy Piper (until late 96), and Capt Lou Albano.
-Once Bret left, time basically began with the Montreal Screwjob. And once Shawn got hurt, it was basically Wrestlemania XIV. By the summer of 1998, Bret Hart never existed and even Shawn Michaels barely existed.
Once WCW went under and they had near complete control over wrestling history, then they started reopening the history books.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Mar 8, 2022 11:18:04 GMT -5
Also, "The territories ran small shows in high school gyms and Vince McMahon brought it into arenas and truly turned it into a money making business." Most of the territories ran arena shows at least monthly (sometimes weekly) and while there were shows in high school gyms (something the WWF also did) there were also shows in smaller arenas and large armories. And if you think the likes of Jerry Jarrett, Bill Watts, Verne Gagne, Fritz Von Erich, and Ron Fuller didn't make tons of cash, I don't know what to tell you. To expand on this, that McMahon was the first to breach the old territorial boundaries and that before he came along as a glorious visionary, territorial-era promoters were just feckless small businessmen with no ambition. I mean, the fact that he bought out multiple other promoters' national television slots should tell you something, no?
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 8, 2022 11:31:55 GMT -5
WWE - Undefeated Snitzky. Many things about the women's "revolution", Emma and Summer Rae never getting a mention in particular. And of course Steph's role.
Aew -Adam Cole has won world titles everywhere he's gone. Weird one, revising other companies history, should have said major titles not world.
TNA - AJ Styles wins everything. Twice. Then they start saying he'll be a big star one day.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 8, 2022 11:54:07 GMT -5
WWE - Undefeated Snitzky. Many things about the women's "revolution", Emma and Summer Rae never getting a mention in particular. And of course Steph's role. Aew -Adam Cole has won world titles everywhere he's gone. Weird one, revising other companies history, should have said major titles not world. TNA - AJ Styles wins everything. Twice. Then they start saying he'll be a big star one day. NXT's title is a world title, PWG title, plus there's the ROH one, obviously. I guess that'd still be wrong in so far as Cole obviously didn't win the IWGP title, but I don't think he really ever caught on that much in Japan to begin with, honestly. Also CZW, so yeah. Feels more like an exaggeration than a full-blown revision. One for me is when people lionize the NWA, when honestly, the treatment of Ann Gunkel was absolutely disgusting, and they transparently abandoned Nick Gulas with the exception of The Sheik trying to still help him in the doomed war against Jerry Jarrett. Vince isn't the angel he presented himself as, but he also was battling other scoundrels, too.
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 8, 2022 14:14:49 GMT -5
WWE - Undefeated Snitzky. Many things about the women's "revolution", Emma and Summer Rae never getting a mention in particular. And of course Steph's role. Aew -Adam Cole has won world titles everywhere he's gone. Weird one, revising other companies history, should have said major titles not world. TNA - AJ Styles wins everything. Twice. Then they start saying he'll be a big star one day. At least Emma got to make that her catchphrase for awhile...granted she was the heel so we weren't supposed to believe her. Since both are gone, I doubt they'd advertise the fact. The "women's revolution" keeps altering every other month it seems. "It started in 1993 with Alundra Blayze!" "No the Bellas started it!" And so on and so forth.
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 8, 2022 14:56:15 GMT -5
The old "If it was a house show it didn't happen" philosophy.
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Post by Aceorton on Mar 8, 2022 15:07:00 GMT -5
I'm reminded of how Gorilla and Vince would change the story whenever someone defected from the Heenan Family (although this was standard operating procedure pretty much any time any wrestler defected from a heel manager).
BEFORE: Wrestler is a despicable thug! AFTER: Wrestler was being USED and MANIPULATED! Heenan is to blame!
Orndorff, Studd, Patera, Hercules and (to a lesser degree) Harley Race all went through this. So did the Hart Foundation, Nasty Boys and Valentine with Jimmy Hart, Demolition with Fuji, etc.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Mar 8, 2022 20:45:38 GMT -5
Take your pick. You can choose as many as you want. The WCW documentary
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 9, 2022 4:04:57 GMT -5
WWE - Undefeated Snitzky. Many things about the women's "revolution", Emma and Summer Rae never getting a mention in particular. And of course Steph's role. Aew -Adam Cole has won world titles everywhere he's gone. Weird one, revising other companies history, should have said major titles not world. TNA - AJ Styles wins everything. Twice. Then they start saying he'll be a big star one day. At least Emma got to make that her catchphrase for awhile...granted she was the heel so we weren't supposed to believe her. Since both are gone, I doubt they'd advertise the fact. The "women's revolution" keeps altering every other month it seems. "It started in 1993 with Alundra Blayze!" "No the Bellas started it!" And so on and so forth. And it was a Bellas match that was the reason the hashtag started trending. The WWE hyped up the Bellas vs Emma and Paige, and the match was 30 seconds. That was the moment the dam burst, all the anger over WWE's booking of the women that fans have had for a long time, came out at once. That was the match, that was the moment it happened.
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Post by The Barber on Mar 9, 2022 6:14:07 GMT -5
Take your pick. You can choose as many as you want. The WCW documentary Which WCW documentary are you talking about? Uhh...never mind. They all fit.
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 9, 2022 7:01:13 GMT -5
At least Emma got to make that her catchphrase for awhile...granted she was the heel so we weren't supposed to believe her. Since both are gone, I doubt they'd advertise the fact. The "women's revolution" keeps altering every other month it seems. "It started in 1993 with Alundra Blayze!" "No the Bellas started it!" And so on and so forth. And it was a Bellas match that was the reason the hashtag started trending. The WWE hyped up the Bellas vs Emma and Paige, and the match was 30 seconds. That was the moment the dam burst, all the anger over WWE's booking of the women that fans have had for a long time, came out at once. That was the match, that was the moment it happened. I see. But I doubt that's why it was, though I can see that happening (A Boo-urns moment). It's cause they are still looking for "safe" icons to use.
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 9, 2022 7:02:59 GMT -5
Undertaker is "undefeated" leading up to Survivor Series '91. Warrior had just been fired, sooooo....
Though it is probably also combined with the "house shows didn't happen" thing.
And I can't believe it hasn't come up, but like the ENTIRE BUILDUP to Hogan-Andre! Including the slam.
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