822nd time's the charm... (NXT result)

[Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story]

Mar 9, 2022 8:32:34 GMT -5 eJm said:

Mar 9, 2022 8:23:33 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

I really, really don't think this is Bron getting the call-up. This is all about getting him a signature win over a familiar face at Stand and Deliver so that he doesn't have to beat somebody like Grayson Waller or Melo right away. That's why people like Ziggler are on NXT in the first place - get them reps with main roster guys and get them over.

The idea is something I really like and advocate for, the execution just lacks a lot for me.

Oh, I'm with you. Everything I enjoy about WWE these days typically comes with some sort of caveat or acceptance that there are 90 better ways to do it. I just don't think he's headed to main roster land yet. Feels weird to just have him disappear without getting one back against Dolph.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

I suppose the other question would be, who's the next babyface up if this was indeed to rush a call-up for Breakker? Anyone else they've really been putting time into like Hayes and Waller are heels, and for different reasons I wouldn't imagine it'd be Knight (since he's due for a callup sooner rather than later himself) or anyone from the previous format like Ciampa, Dunne or Grimes.

[clifford]

If this had happened at Stand and Deliver I'd be thinking it was due to a Bron call up, but to me its real obvious that they want to be able to call him the first 3 time NXT champion. So he'll win it Back at S&D, lose it through some f***ery after a few months, and then win it a 3rd time before the call up, which I'm gonna put after Summerslam.

[The Summer of Muskrat XVII]

Mar 9, 2022 8:32:34 GMT -5 eJm said:

Mar 9, 2022 8:23:33 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

I really, really don't think this is Bron getting the call-up. This is all about getting him a signature win over a familiar face at Stand and Deliver so that he doesn't have to beat somebody like Grayson Waller or Melo right away. That's why people like Ziggler are on NXT in the first place - get them reps with main roster guys and get them over.

The idea is something I really like and advocate for, the execution just lacks a lot for me.

Yeah, by all accounts, they plan on constantly cycling main roster talent through NXT 2.0 so I imagine dudes like Dolph winning a belt to turn and put over some younger talent is probably gonna be a fairl regular occurrence but this could’ve been done better

[dbrussel]

At least NXT 2.0 is preparing the kids for the main roster, losing titles against random people.

[Lizuka #BLM]

Just do what they did last time Dolph won a belt in a triple threat match, have him vacate it for no reason then do a tournament that's won by one of the guys that was in the match to begin with.

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Mar 9, 2022 10:12:34 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Just do what they did last time Dolph won a belt in a triple threat match, have him vacate it for no reason then do a tournament that's won by one of the guys that was in the match to begin with.

Hopefully not Breakker.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

I do hope Bron stays in NXT for a bit. If the purpose is to prepare him for the main roster, he still needs some seasoning character wise. Work some more matches, try different styles, experiment a bit with your persona. He can do that on the main roster but it's good to work the kinks out now.

[J is Justice]

[Dub H]

Mar 9, 2022 12:21:45 GMT -5 J is Justice said:

Are we bringing back Snitzky?

[Chiral]

The censoring on this is making me giggle

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca434DCMcqw

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Mar 9, 2022 3:22:00 GMT -5 stoptheclocks said:

Mar 8, 2022 23:40:45 GMT -5 @mattyphatty said:

So, I mean, this is an unequivocal, irrefutable, objective confirmation that “NXT 2.0” was a complete dogshit failure of an idea, right?

I mean, the whole idea was to go “back to developmental” and focus solely on young talents and here we are, less than half a year later, and we’re back to a 40+ year old “main roster” champion.

I mean, I’m more likely to watch now because I actually enjoy Ziggler, but this is hilarious.

If Dolph Ziggler becomes the face of the brand and goes on a six month title run against other established dudes in their late 30s/40s? Maybe.

But having a couple of vets down there to help y'know... develop the new guys? I don't see how that doesn't fit in with what NXT 2.0 is trying to be.

Dunno, people who don't watch the show can read into one match result if they like, but it feels pretty obvious to me what NXT is.

It's a bit presumptive to assume that people criticizing 41 year old, 16 year veteran of the company Dolph Ziggler being crowned champion of the "new NXT 2.0" don't watch the show. The criticism isn't "one match result," it's the fact that less than 6 months after the "developmental youth movement" rebrand, the title is already back on a longtime, main roster, guy. That's not just a "single match," it's a complete indictment of everything "NXT 2.0" purported to be.

I'm not upset about it. I like Dolph Ziggler, even. But I am going to call a shovel a shovel and point out that putting the title on Ziggler is a pretty clear acknowledgment that the rebrand has failed miserably and an attempt to inject life into a brand which is dying on the vine, TV ratings-wise.

[stoptheclocks]

Mar 9, 2022 15:36:58 GMT -5 @mattyphatty said:

Mar 9, 2022 3:22:00 GMT -5 stoptheclocks said:

If Dolph Ziggler becomes the face of the brand and goes on a six month title run against other established dudes in their late 30s/40s? Maybe.

But having a couple of vets down there to help y'know... develop the new guys? I don't see how that doesn't fit in with what NXT 2.0 is trying to be.

Dunno, people who don't watch the show can read into one match result if they like, but it feels pretty obvious to me what NXT is.

It's a bit presumptive to assume that people criticizing 41 year old, 16 year veteran of the company Dolph Ziggler being crowned champion of the "new NXT 2.0" don't watch the show. The criticism isn't "one match result," it's the fact that less than 6 months after the "developmental youth movement" rebrand, the title is already back on a longtime, main roster, guy. That's not just a "single match," it's a complete indictment of everything "NXT 2.0" purported to be.

I'm not upset about it. I like Dolph Ziggler, even. But I am going to call a shovel a shovel and point out that putting the title on Ziggler is a pretty clear acknowledgment that the rebrand has failed miserably and an attempt to inject life into a brand which is dying on the vine, TV ratings-wise.

You said this might make you more likely to watch now... is it presumptive to assume this means you don't watch currently? Not sure how it can be read any other way.

Anyone who watches the show would know that Dolph Ziggler isn't being positioned as the new face of the brand or that they are abandoning developing guys. I just can't see how that can be a genuinely held appraisal of what's going on here.

[ThankGodForSidJustice]

Mar 9, 2022 12:06:12 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

I do hope Bron stays in NXT for a bit. If the purpose is to prepare him for the main roster, he still needs some seasoning character wise. Work some more matches, try different styles, experiment a bit with your persona. He can do that on the main roster but it's good to work the kinks out now.

I hope he does too just because I like him and NXT 2.0. is the only WWE show I watch. However I don't know if it would be better for his development or not. On the main roster he will get to work with a lot more guys much more experienced then him and also just simply be working more thus getting more experience since the main roster does house shows. It will probably help him come along faster as a worker. Now booking wise? Yeah that's probably going to be a different story.

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Mar 9, 2022 16:15:42 GMT -5 stoptheclocks said:

Mar 9, 2022 15:36:58 GMT -5 @mattyphatty said:

It's a bit presumptive to assume that people criticizing 41 year old, 16 year veteran of the company Dolph Ziggler being crowned champion of the "new NXT 2.0" don't watch the show. The criticism isn't "one match result," it's the fact that less than 6 months after the "developmental youth movement" rebrand, the title is already back on a longtime, main roster, guy. That's not just a "single match," it's a complete indictment of everything "NXT 2.0" purported to be.

I'm not upset about it. I like Dolph Ziggler, even. But I am going to call a shovel a shovel and point out that putting the title on Ziggler is a pretty clear acknowledgment that the rebrand has failed miserably and an attempt to inject life into a brand which is dying on the vine, TV ratings-wise.

You said this might make you more likely to watch now... is it presumptive to assume this means you don't watch currently? Not sure how it can be read any other way.

Anyone who watches the show would know that Dolph Ziggler isn't being positioned as the new face of the brand or that they are abandoning developing guys. I just can't see how that can be a genuinely held appraisal of what's going on here.

I meant more likely to watch on a week-to-week basis. I would assume that the fact that I'm posting on a wrestling forum specifically discussing NXT demonstrates that I watch, or at the very least keep up with, NXT.

I don't have any issue with veterans and main roster guys cycling through NXT to work with young guys. I think that's perfectly in line with the mission statement of wanting to bring along young talent. You can't improve if you don't work with talented, experienced workers. I get that.

But putting the championship on a talented, experienced worker is something different entirely. The basis of the rebrand, or so we were told, was because the "NXT 1.0" being a super-indie was played out, and WWE wanted to shift its focus to developing more "WWE-style" young workers. All of the reports that came out around the time of the rebrand were that Vince/WWE expected ratings to improve if the show focused more on young, colorful characters. They got the belt on Breakker to carry the mantle for the new brand relatively quickly.

But, the ratings haven't improved and, in fact, have gotten worse. So here we are less than 6 months after the rebrand, and the championship is already back on an established main roster guy. That, to me evidences that the rebrand, and the concept behind it, has been a failure. I don't think they are abandoning developing guys, nor do I think Dolph is positioned as the "face of NXT 2.0." But, he is its champion. And that's a complete departure from what the brand was supposed to be. Others may disagree, but that's definitely how I appraise the situation.

[stoptheclocks]

Mar 9, 2022 16:43:43 GMT -5 @mattyphatty said:

Mar 9, 2022 16:15:42 GMT -5 stoptheclocks said:

You said this might make you more likely to watch now... is it presumptive to assume this means you don't watch currently? Not sure how it can be read any other way.

Anyone who watches the show would know that Dolph Ziggler isn't being positioned as the new face of the brand or that they are abandoning developing guys. I just can't see how that can be a genuinely held appraisal of what's going on here.

I meant more likely to watch on a week-to-week basis. I would assume that the fact that I'm posting on a wrestling forum specifically discussing NXT demonstrates that I watch, or at the very least keep up with, NXT.

I don't have any issue with veterans and main roster guys cycling through NXT to work with young guys. I think that's perfectly in line with the mission statement of wanting to bring along young talent. You can't improve if you don't work with talented, experienced workers. I get that.

But putting the championship on a talented, experienced worker is something different entirely. The basis of the rebrand, or so we were told, was because the "NXT 1.0" being a super-indie was played out, and WWE wanted to shift its focus to developing more "WWE-style" young workers. All of the reports that came out around the time of the rebrand were that Vince/WWE expected ratings to improve if the show focused more on young, colorful characters. They got the belt on Breakker to carry the mantle for the new brand relatively quickly.

But, the ratings haven't improved and, in fact, have gotten worse. So here we are less than 6 months after the rebrand, and the championship is already back on an established main roster guy. That, to me evidences that the rebrand, and the concept behind it, has been a failure. I don't think they are abandoning developing guys, nor do I think Dolph is positioned as the "face of NXT 2.0." But, he is its champion. And that's a complete departure from what the brand was supposed to be. Others may disagree, but that's definitely how I appraise the situation.

Don't think anyone needs us going back and forth on this so will agree to disagree. However...

In the Raw ratings thread 'Didn't Watch' has over twice the amount of votes as any other option. So yes, a significant number of people who post on wrestling forums don't watch the shows.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

What a hilariously terrible decision

You had Triple H murdered and fired all his friends to strap up Dolph?

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I would've taken Happy Corbin as NXT Champ over Dolph. I'm 100% serious.

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["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

Also, I didn't even catch Bron hitting the wrong button during the match last night: