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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 16, 2022 10:22:01 GMT -5
Supposedly Raquel was gonna be called up going into Mania season and that changed for... reasons (Bryan Alvarez says cause they needed bodies for the Dusty Classic, other pods have said Vince didn't think she was ready).
I still think the crowd interest is there for Liv, and I will never understand why they never fully back her. I do think Dakota, and even Toxic Attraction (who while note over would be a great foil for Bianca or any face) would help a lot and add interest.
Unfortunately you cannot improve something that the people in charge are currently not interested in improving
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Post by mrtuesday on Mar 16, 2022 10:28:56 GMT -5
Any of you guys ever play the more-recent TEW games? You can get a notification that says something like "WARNING: This is the 6th time you've booked this match recently, and it may suffer if it does not live up to the prior matches." Then, a match that would normally get like a B+ will get a D because the fans are tired of seeing it? I'll just say that the current WWE booking team would not be very successful playing TEW. "They'll like what I tell them to like!" - Vince McMahon.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 16, 2022 10:32:52 GMT -5
Supposedly Raquel was gonna be called up going into Mania season and that changed for... reasons (Bryan Alvarez says cause they needed bodies for the Dusty Classic, other pods have said Vince didn't think she was ready). I still think the crowd interest is there for Liv, and I will never understand why they never fully back her. I do think Dakota, and even Toxic Attraction (who while note over would be a great foil for Bianca or any face) would help a lot and add interest. Unfortunately you cannot improve something that the people in charge are currently not interested in improving Again, I bring up depth being the main issue. OK, say you elevate Morgan to being your main babyface. That bumps down Belair, Ripley and Bliss to the point where they may have to start taking more losses to build up the heels for Morgan. The attention would no longer be on Morgan finally getting her push, but on Belair, Ripley and Bliss being “jobbed out”, mostly Ripley since she hasn’t gotten her “proper run” with the belt yet. The only way for all of them to win without taking losses until absolutely necessary? Outside enhancement talents and/or call-up/hiring spree. Enhancement talents would probably be easier since calling up/hiring people just to lose seems like it’d be a problem in itself.
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Post by J is Justice on Mar 16, 2022 10:49:57 GMT -5
I wish they'd just call up Io, already.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 16, 2022 10:55:59 GMT -5
Instead of doing this match again, you could do something where Becky challenges Bianca to take on two women at the same time. You can bring in like the Renegade Twins off the indies (who you also had attend tryouts) and you can then have a fun five minute match where Bianca can give the KOD to two people at once and look just as impressive without beating Doudrop again and keeping the amount of rematches to a more limited level.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 10:57:29 GMT -5
I wish they'd just call up Io, already. At this rate I am almost praying they don't. Because her name will change , her music will definetly change. IMO I say she should just ride out her contract and then play the field (AEW will immediately come calling) and see whats out there but Io wants that main roster challenge and unless they boot her out the door she is gonna keep workin for it so.
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Post by sunnytaker on Mar 16, 2022 12:06:29 GMT -5
I'm glad the women's division finally has its own version of "Can John Cena AA the Big Show?" it's even worse since there was at least a gap between cena/show matches. bianca/doudrop is figuratively every other week "yeah bianca KoD'd doudrop two weeks ago but can she possibly do it toni..oh wait she just did." though part of me seeing doudrop/nikki together wanted to see becky come up to them and recruit her to her side as a faction as "the Lasskickers" a heel champ needs her fodder minions after all.
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Post by mistery on Mar 16, 2022 12:14:28 GMT -5
I wish they'd just call up Io, already. At this rate I am almost praying they don't. Because her name will change , her music will definetly change. IMO I say she should just ride out her contract and then play the field (AEW will immediately come calling) and see whats out there but Io wants that main roster challenge and unless they boot her out the door she is gonna keep workin for it so. I don't think Io's music will change. It's by def rebel. It's not a CFO$ composition. I don't think anyone who has been called up from NXT over the past year or so has had their music changed if it was already by def rebel. I also wouldn't be shocked if her name doesn't change either, since WWE owns the copyright for it, at least in America and Europe. Also WWE is probably gunshy on pushing Liv because she is an absolutely abysmal promo. Like one of the worst in the entire company. Whenever she opens her mouth, the audience pretty much dies.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 16, 2022 12:17:34 GMT -5
I wish they'd just call up Io, already. Why would you want that for her?
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Post by chrom on Mar 16, 2022 14:21:34 GMT -5
I wish they'd just call up Io, already. She's been in NXT what, five years now?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 14:24:45 GMT -5
I wish they'd just call up Io, already. She's been in NXT what, five years now? She made her first appearance for NXT in 2018...so yea five years.
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Post by mistery on Mar 16, 2022 15:07:06 GMT -5
She's been in NXT what, five years now? She made her first appearance for NXT in 2018...so yea five years. Yup. She's been in NXT for five years, and has made a whopping two (technically three if you count Evolution) main roster appearances. Royal Rumble, and Survivor Series. And now you can probably see why she's ready to move up to the main roster. It feels like the only reason she's being kept down in NXT at this point is to work with their greener talents because they don't have much confidence in the other women. Although at the same time they don't want Io overshadowing everyone down there, so she's stuck in the tag division as of late. It's why I think her status in WWE is going to be a major sticking point when it comes time to eventually sign a new deal. Because she has bigger aspirations than being stuck playing babysitter for a bunch of green as hell women in NXT who are going to get the spotlight over her. So it'll be interesting to see how WWE manages to screw up not signing her to a new deal considering they are batting a perfect 0% on getting big NXT names to sign new deals over the past few years. If it were up to me, I would have Io beat Bianca for the title shortly after coming up, and maybe actually have her number considering Bianca has never faced any true actual adversity in WWE.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Mar 16, 2022 15:22:19 GMT -5
Supposedly Raquel was gonna be called up going into Mania season and that changed for... reasons (Bryan Alvarez says cause they needed bodies for the Dusty Classic, other pods have said Vince didn't think she was ready). I still think the crowd interest is there for Liv, and I will never understand why they never fully back her. I do think Dakota, and even Toxic Attraction (who while note over would be a great foil for Bianca or any face) would help a lot and add interest. Unfortunately you cannot improve something that the people in charge are currently not interested in improving Again, I bring up depth being the main issue. OK, say you elevate Morgan to being your main babyface. That bumps down Belair, Ripley and Bliss to the point where they may have to start taking more losses to build up the heels for Morgan. The attention would no longer be on Morgan finally getting her push, but on Belair, Ripley and Bliss being “jobbed out”, mostly Ripley since she hasn’t gotten her “proper run” with the belt yet. The only way for all of them to win without taking losses until absolutely necessary? Outside enhancement talents and/or call-up/hiring spree. Enhancement talents would probably be easier since calling up/hiring people just to lose seems like it’d be a problem in itself. The small rosters are definitely a problem. I like Liv and think she should be in a better spot (although it has gradually improved for her over the years albeit very very slowly) but the heels have to win sometimes and what face can you really use to do random jobs? Bianca, Alexa, and Rhea have all been pushed too hard and had way too much invested in them to be put in a spot in that and Dana Brooke is now the face of the 24/7 division and really doesn't have anything to do with the women's divisions. Really that only leaves Liv if you need a sacrificial lamb to take losses like when they had to build up Doudrop for Becky for excample. Which kind of sucks for Liv as she's too good to be being used in a spot like at this point but really who else is there? When it comes to the Raw division I think another problem is while their face side I feel is very strong their heel roster sans Becky is pretty weak. Bianca, Rhea, and Liv are a pretty good top three for the faces I feel in that they are all young (Bianca not as much as the other two but she's still fresh), fresh, and all over to an extent. All three should be protected to an extent however problem is after those three there's like literally no one else for faces as Dana is in the 24/7 stuff and Alexa is hardly ever around. However on the heel side there's more expendable talent I feel like Nikki, Carmella, and Zelina who don't really need to be protected that much imo. You got to protect Becky and I would say that Doudrop is someone they should've protected with her being their giant but they've already killed her dead by having Bianca beat her a million times so that's a lost cause. So that's a problem too in that all the women who don't really need to protected are on the heel side and the heels have to win at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 15:27:00 GMT -5
It really is f***ing insane that IO GAWD DAMN SHIRAI! is in there developmental while every single other woman gets the call up.
Outside of Dakota and Candice (and she is very likely gone when he deal is up in May) every other woman she has feuded with from black n gold have all gotten the call up and she remains down there and now Raquel looks to be another that is getting the call up while she remains stuck in developmental.
It is practically an insult at this point.
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Post by mistery on Mar 16, 2022 15:35:13 GMT -5
Again, I bring up depth being the main issue. OK, say you elevate Morgan to being your main babyface. That bumps down Belair, Ripley and Bliss to the point where they may have to start taking more losses to build up the heels for Morgan. The attention would no longer be on Morgan finally getting her push, but on Belair, Ripley and Bliss being “jobbed out”, mostly Ripley since she hasn’t gotten her “proper run” with the belt yet. The only way for all of them to win without taking losses until absolutely necessary? Outside enhancement talents and/or call-up/hiring spree. Enhancement talents would probably be easier since calling up/hiring people just to lose seems like it’d be a problem in itself. The small rosters are definitely a problem. I like Liv and think she should be in a better spot (although it has gradually improved for her over the years albeit very very slowly) but the heels have to win sometimes and what face can you really use to do random jobs? Bianca, Alexa, and Rhea have all been pushed too hard and had way too much invested in them to be put in a spot in that and Dana Brooke is now the face of the 24/7 division and really doesn't have anything to do with the women's divisions. Really that only leaves Liv if you need a sacrificial lamb to take losses like when they had to build up Doudrop for Becky for excample. Which kind of sucks for Liv as she's too good to be being used in a spot like at this point but really who else is there? When it comes to the Raw division I think another problem is while their face side I feel is very strong their heel roster sans Becky is pretty weak. Bianca, Rhea, and Liv are a pretty good top three for the faces I feel in that they are all young (Bianca not as much as the other two but she's still fresh), fresh, and all over to an extent. All three should be protected to an extent however problem is after those three there's like literally no one else for faces as Dana is in the 24/7 stuff and Alexa is hardly ever around. However on the heel side there's more expendable talent I feel like Nikki, Carmella, and Zelina who don't really need to be protected that much imo. You got to protect Becky and I would say that Doudrop is someone they should've protected with her being their giant but they've already killed her dead by having Bianca beat her a million times so that's a lost cause. So that's a problem too in that all the women who don't really need to protected are on the heel side and the heels have to win at some point. It's why I feel like they need to call up someone like Io, to fill the heel side of the roster out with an actual strong heel that isn't named Becky. Because as it stands, Bianca has already completely decimated the RAW Women's Division. And while I can't promise that Io will work out as a heel (especially since I can see people getting sick of Bianca running over everyone sooner rather than later), it provides another top woman in the division which is sorely needed. Where on Smackdown it doesn't really matter who is at the top on either side because they are just gonna be fed to Ronda.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Mar 16, 2022 15:49:02 GMT -5
The small rosters are definitely a problem. I like Liv and think she should be in a better spot (although it has gradually improved for her over the years albeit very very slowly) but the heels have to win sometimes and what face can you really use to do random jobs? Bianca, Alexa, and Rhea have all been pushed too hard and had way too much invested in them to be put in a spot in that and Dana Brooke is now the face of the 24/7 division and really doesn't have anything to do with the women's divisions. Really that only leaves Liv if you need a sacrificial lamb to take losses like when they had to build up Doudrop for Becky for excample. Which kind of sucks for Liv as she's too good to be being used in a spot like at this point but really who else is there? When it comes to the Raw division I think another problem is while their face side I feel is very strong their heel roster sans Becky is pretty weak. Bianca, Rhea, and Liv are a pretty good top three for the faces I feel in that they are all young (Bianca not as much as the other two but she's still fresh), fresh, and all over to an extent. All three should be protected to an extent however problem is after those three there's like literally no one else for faces as Dana is in the 24/7 stuff and Alexa is hardly ever around. However on the heel side there's more expendable talent I feel like Nikki, Carmella, and Zelina who don't really need to be protected that much imo. You got to protect Becky and I would say that Doudrop is someone they should've protected with her being their giant but they've already killed her dead by having Bianca beat her a million times so that's a lost cause. So that's a problem too in that all the women who don't really need to protected are on the heel side and the heels have to win at some point. It's why I feel like they need to call up someone like Io, to fill the heel side of the roster out with an actual strong heel that isn't named Becky. Because as it stands, Bianca has already completely decimated the RAW Women's Division. And while I can't promise that Io will work out as a heel (especially since I can see people getting sick of Bianca running over everyone sooner rather than later), it provides another top woman in the division which is sorely needed. Where on Smackdown it doesn't really matter who is at the top on either side because they are just gonna be fed to Ronda. They definitely need another strong credible heel as well as a micard face who can be used to do jobs. When she heals up I think Zoey Stark would good for a spot like that. Good enough worker but not someone who I ever see really being a star and someone who doesn't really need to protected and can take L's without you feeling too bad about it.
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Post by mistery on Mar 16, 2022 15:58:41 GMT -5
It's why I feel like they need to call up someone like Io, to fill the heel side of the roster out with an actual strong heel that isn't named Becky. Because as it stands, Bianca has already completely decimated the RAW Women's Division. And while I can't promise that Io will work out as a heel (especially since I can see people getting sick of Bianca running over everyone sooner rather than later), it provides another top woman in the division which is sorely needed. Where on Smackdown it doesn't really matter who is at the top on either side because they are just gonna be fed to Ronda. They definitely need another strong credible heel as well as a micard face who can be used to do jobs. When she heals up I think Zoey Stark would good for a spot like that. Good enough worker but not someone who I ever see really being a star and someone who doesn't really need to protected and can take L's without you feeling too bad about it. Eh. Zoey is someone I don't think is going to ever make it to the main roster as mean as it sounds. She's just so outstandingly bland. I also feel like once Becky loses the title, she'll probably get a rematch (probably at Wrestlemania Backlash), and then go down the card for a bit or spin off into a feud with another woman. The problem then is "who is going to feud with Bianca?" Because she's already cleaned out the entire RAW Women's Division. And this Becky/Bianca feud is already incredibly stale. I can't see them dragging this out past Backlash. I think they need to figure out what they want to do with some of the women down in NXT, and fast. Because I can easily see Io jumping ship to another promotion (Tony would make an absolutely massive play for her considering she's one of the few people in WWE who almost beat AEW in the ratings while they were airing head to head, and she's incredibly popular and well liked) or going back to Japan (because even if she's said she has done everything she wants to do there, I think she would be a bigger act there than being stuck in WWE's developmental system) if they don't call her up and give her a pretty significant push. Not to mention you have women like Dakota Kai, Raquel, etc who are stuck in developmental hell as well. I'm starting to think WWE is intentionally trying to cut down on women's wrestling again, especially now that Johnny and Bruce have gotten even more power over the past year or so. And so the logjam of women in NXT is only getting worse and worse. Especially as long as they are stuck in the mindset that Bianca, Becky, Charlotte, and Ronda are all the division needs.
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Post by J is Justice on Mar 16, 2022 16:04:02 GMT -5
I wish they'd just call up Io, already. Why would you want that for her? So she can job to Aliyah and Liv. I admit I had a hidden agenda.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 17, 2022 7:41:48 GMT -5
It's like they shouldn't have killed off the division with Sasha and Bayley... and then continued to kill it with Charlotte and Becky... and then fired half of the roster... or something <_< >_> Seriously though, they need to either hire more women for slots... or start relying on local talents for random matches like what we usually get on Raw... Bianca could have literally faced anyone on raw last night... the angle doesn't really have anything to do with Doudrop... the match last night was just setting up for the Becky ambush post match... edit: and I mean the return of Asuka, Bliss, and Bayley could help the divisions but... adding one or two more people that coming off an injury/break should look strong isn't going to help things... Also I imagine Lacey Evan's has to be almost ready to return too... but that's another person that needs to be built up... I wouldn't be shocked to see Lacey return the night after Mania. As to hiring more women, I mean sure, that would absolutely help but until they stop booking the division around Charlotte/Becky/Rhonda(when she's around) and generally circle jerking the titles around the 3 of them, it isn't really going to be fixed.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 17, 2022 8:00:05 GMT -5
I don't watch WWE anymore but it astounds me that Sasha isn't the very top of their wrestling division. I don't really understand it. She's massively over (I assume still is), a huge merch seller, one of the best wrestlers in the company. Her Mania match with Bianca last year was a classic. The only thing I can think of is her ego, but it's not like that's ever held any of the men back.
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