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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Mar 17, 2022 8:25:54 GMT -5
For anyone that's like "why isn't Io called up yet, it's been FIVE years!"
To me it's either she doesn't want to be, because obviously why would you want to be.
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You have Vince and Pritchard and Laurenitis in charge...tell me you can't see this conversation going:
Random person: "We should call up Io Shirai"
Those Three: "Why? We already have Asuka."
These are the same people who fired Braun b/c they had Omos. Tell me you can't see the people who don't rate Asian women being all like "we already have one, why do we need another?"
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Post by mistery on Mar 17, 2022 8:35:43 GMT -5
I don't watch WWE anymore but it astounds me that Sasha isn't the very top of their wrestling division. I don't really understand it. She's massively over (I assume still is), a huge merch seller, one of the best wrestlers in the company. Her Mania match with Bianca last year was a classic. The only thing I can think of is her ego, but it's not like that's ever held any of the men back. I think Sasha's constant disappearances are what harms her status in the company. I understand she has filming and stuff to do, but she did leave Bianca high and dry and WWE scrambling for a replacement at Summerslam last year, with apparently little to no notice. For anyone that's like "why isn't Io called up yet, it's been FIVE years!" To me it's either she doesn't want to be, because obviously why would you want to be. or You have Vince and Pritchard and Laurenitis in charge...tell me you can't see this conversation going: Random person: "We should call up Io Shirai" Those Three: "Why? We already have Asuka." These are the same people who fired Braun b/c they had Omos. Tell me you can't see the people who don't rate Asian women being all like "we already have one, why do we need another?" Io has explicitly said that she wants to be called up. And it's pretty obvious that Asuka probably isn't going to be back any time soon, if ever. Like I said before, it's painfully obvious they are just yanking Io around for the hell of it, and then when/if she refuses to sign a new deal, they'll freak out and try and offer her a lot of stuff. It's like...WWE's MO at this point with veteran NXT stars. Let them sit in NXT until their deals are on the verge of expiring, and then freak out and try and get them to sign a new one. Which right now, seems to be...not going well for WWE considering every other veteran talent has walked out on those offers to go work for AEW and/or the indies. Also the "well we have one asian woman already we don't need another" argument doesn't hold water when they had called up Kairi. I also think Asuka will have a credibility problem when she comes back, because WWE thinks its audience is dumb and won't remember, but she was taking massive losses left and right and being booked like a complete and utter loser through the last half of 2020, and first half of 2021. It's why I think her going up against Bianca would be nothing more than a filler challenger at this point. They need to do a lot of rehab for Asuka. It doesn't help that Bianca has like...maybe 4 or 5 actual clean losses since being called up. Otherwise she's probably the most protected women's star outside of Charlotte, Ronda, and Becky. So going against her is just as bad as going up against the three other women I just mentioned, because no one gets over from working with her.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 17, 2022 8:45:55 GMT -5
I don't watch WWE anymore but it astounds me that Sasha isn't the very top of their wrestling division. I don't really understand it. She's massively over (I assume still is), a huge merch seller, one of the best wrestlers in the company. Her Mania match with Bianca last year was a classic. The only thing I can think of is her ego, but it's not like that's ever held any of the men back. I think you did hit the nail on the head there. She's not just a woman, she's a black woman - of course she has an ego problem and, say, Triple H didn't. For anyone that's like "why isn't Io called up yet, it's been FIVE years!" To me it's either she doesn't want to be, because obviously why would you want to be. or You have Vince and Pritchard and Laurenitis in charge...tell me you can't see this conversation going: Random person: "We should call up Io Shirai" Those Three: "Why? We already have Asuka." These are the same people who fired Braun b/c they had Omos. Tell me you can't see the people who don't rate Asian women being all like "we already have one, why do we need another?" 100% this is what they think. They were always looking for 'the next Rey' or 'the next crossover Mexican star', because God forbid you have more than one. And when Kairi was on the main roster too, her and Asuka were tag champions, because they were basically one talent at that point as so many tag teams end up being. Can never have too many American patriots, of course.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 17, 2022 8:51:57 GMT -5
I don't watch WWE anymore but it astounds me that Sasha isn't the very top of their wrestling division. I don't really understand it. She's massively over (I assume still is), a huge merch seller, one of the best wrestlers in the company. Her Mania match with Bianca last year was a classic. The only thing I can think of is her ego, but it's not like that's ever held any of the men back. Feels like her biggest problem is that for some reason or another (be it injury/filming/allegedly protesting certain policies etc) she seems to come and go a little too often to be the face of the division. And to be fair, she and Bayley ran train on like, everyone for what felt like a year, much to the detriment of the division
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Post by mistery on Mar 17, 2022 8:53:29 GMT -5
I don't watch WWE anymore but it astounds me that Sasha isn't the very top of their wrestling division. I don't really understand it. She's massively over (I assume still is), a huge merch seller, one of the best wrestlers in the company. Her Mania match with Bianca last year was a classic. The only thing I can think of is her ego, but it's not like that's ever held any of the men back. I think you did hit the nail on the head there. She's not just a woman, she's a black woman - of course she has an ego problem and, say, Triple H didn't. For anyone that's like "why isn't Io called up yet, it's been FIVE years!" To me it's either she doesn't want to be, because obviously why would you want to be. or You have Vince and Pritchard and Laurenitis in charge...tell me you can't see this conversation going: Random person: "We should call up Io Shirai" Those Three: "Why? We already have Asuka." These are the same people who fired Braun b/c they had Omos. Tell me you can't see the people who don't rate Asian women being all like "we already have one, why do we need another?" 100% this is what they think. They were always looking for 'the next Rey' or 'the next crossover Mexican star', because God forbid you have more than one. And when Kairi was on the main roster too, her and Asuka were tag champions, because they were basically one talent at that point as so many tag teams end up being. Can never have too many American patriots, of course. I wish people would stop pushing the narrative about them being thrown together simply because they were Asian. KAIRI outright said even in very recent interviews that they put her on the same brand as Asuka and Shinsuke because she wanted to be on the same brand as those from her home country as she got lonely when traveling alone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2022 8:58:46 GMT -5
I don't watch WWE anymore but it astounds me that Sasha isn't the very top of their wrestling division. I don't really understand it. She's massively over (I assume still is), a huge merch seller, one of the best wrestlers in the company. Her Mania match with Bianca last year was a classic. The only thing I can think of is her ego, but it's not like that's ever held any of the men back. Feels like her biggest problem is that for some reason or another (be it injury/filming/allegedly protesting certain policies etc) she seems to come and go a little too often to be the face of the division. And to be fair, she and Bayley ran train on like, everyone for what felt like a year, much to the detriment of the division WWE is so blatently easy to read especially with the women because it is simply a rotation of which 4H will dominate for the following year. Charlotte and Becky had theirs then it was Sasha and Bayley Now it is Becky and Charlotte again and with Becky and Charlotte lookin to be dethroned here in a few weeks that is gonna take them off rotation for a bit and then we can reinsert Bayley and Sasha looks like she is gonna be holding tag gold again here soon and then by years end it will be Charlotte and Becky in rotation again because Becky is already slotted for Ronda at Mania next year and so like clockwork.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 17, 2022 9:11:14 GMT -5
I don't watch WWE anymore but it astounds me that Sasha isn't the very top of their wrestling division. I don't really understand it. She's massively over (I assume still is), a huge merch seller, one of the best wrestlers in the company. Her Mania match with Bianca last year was a classic. The only thing I can think of is her ego, but it's not like that's ever held any of the men back. Feels like her biggest problem is that for some reason or another (be it injury/filming/allegedly protesting certain policies etc) she seems to come and go a little too often to be the face of the division. I do get that, but at the same time, Shawn pretended he'd "lost his smile" to get out of jobbing to Bret and threw all their plans in disarray, Austin literally walked out on a show, Triple H politicked his whole career. My dude Orton was in constant trouble and often lost his temper on TV. None of this prevented any of them being pushed after. It seems to me like Sasha just knows her worth. I don't like to play the "woman" card often but I can't see any other reason why Sasha's behaviour is exceptional when you look at the enormous value she brings to the company.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 17, 2022 9:32:22 GMT -5
I think you did hit the nail on the head there. She's not just a woman, she's a black woman - of course she has an ego problem and, say, Triple H didn't. 100% this is what they think. They were always looking for 'the next Rey' or 'the next crossover Mexican star', because God forbid you have more than one. And when Kairi was on the main roster too, her and Asuka were tag champions, because they were basically one talent at that point as so many tag teams end up being. Can never have too many American patriots, of course. I wish people would stop pushing the narrative about them being thrown together simply because they were Asian. KAIRI outright said even in very recent interviews that they put her on the same brand as Asuka and Shinsuke because she wanted to be on the same brand as those from her home country as she got lonely when traveling alone. Being on the same brand doesn't immediately equal being in a tag team with other, nor does not being in a tag team prevent you from travelling together if you are on the same brand. Besides which WWE is institutionally racist (everywhere is, but WWE especially) so even if them being in a tag team wasn't an example of that, their treatment of racial minorities is still pretty obvious.
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Post by mrtuesday on Mar 17, 2022 9:39:42 GMT -5
For anyone that's like "why isn't Io called up yet, it's been FIVE years!" To me it's either she doesn't want to be, because obviously why would you want to be. or You have Vince and Pritchard and Laurenitis in charge...tell me you can't see this conversation going: Random person: "We should call up Io Shirai" Those Three: "Why? We already have Asuka." These are the same people who fired Braun b/c they had Omos. Tell me you can't see the people who don't rate Asian women being all like "we already have one, why do we need another?" This is the same company that tried for almost a decade to try and find "the next Rey Mysterio" by hiring Sin Cara, Hunico, Kalisto, Gran Metalik, and Lince Dorado. Ultimately decided "screw it" and just brought back Rey Mysterio and fired the rest.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Mar 17, 2022 14:41:37 GMT -5
I don't watch WWE anymore but it astounds me that Sasha isn't the very top of their wrestling division. I don't really understand it. She's massively over (I assume still is), a huge merch seller, one of the best wrestlers in the company. Her Mania match with Bianca last year was a classic. The only thing I can think of is her ego, but it's not like that's ever held any of the men back. She's a bit injury prone so I could see that being a reason in that they probably just don't find her reliable enough to be in the top spot. She's also just MIA in general a lot it seems whether it be to injury or for other reasons that don't come to surface. Over the last couple of years it seems like she's constantly gone for months, pops back up for a few months, and then is gone again for another couple of months. Rinse and repeat. They also probably just simply think Bianca is a better option and honestly it's hard to argue with that. Getting in her own way because of her ego is another reason I've heard. Although Charlotte apparently has a big of an ego too and also can be difficult but that doesn't stop them from pushing her all the time although to be fair unlike Sasha she is at least usually available. A lot of the time though unfortunately it's case of who you are. If they love you then it's a case of you having moxie and taking the bull by the horn but if they don't then you have an attitude problem and are "difficult to work with".
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 17, 2022 14:57:37 GMT -5
For anyone that's like "why isn't Io called up yet, it's been FIVE years!" To me it's either she doesn't want to be, because obviously why would you want to be. or You have Vince and Pritchard and Laurenitis in charge...tell me you can't see this conversation going: Random person: "We should call up Io Shirai" Those Three: "Why? We already have Asuka." These are the same people who fired Braun b/c they had Omos. Tell me you can't see the people who don't rate Asian women being all like "we already have one, why do we need another?" This is the same company that tried for almost a decade to try and find "the next Rey Mysterio" by hiring Sin Cara, Hunico, Kalisto, Gran Metalik, and Lince Dorado. Ultimately decided "screw it" and just brought back Rey Mysterio and fired the rest. But not before making three of those dudes come out together with a f***ing pinata just to remind you of their place
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Post by mistery on Mar 17, 2022 15:01:04 GMT -5
I don't watch WWE anymore but it astounds me that Sasha isn't the very top of their wrestling division. I don't really understand it. She's massively over (I assume still is), a huge merch seller, one of the best wrestlers in the company. Her Mania match with Bianca last year was a classic. The only thing I can think of is her ego, but it's not like that's ever held any of the men back. She's a bit injury prone so I could see that being a reason in that they probably just don't find her reliable enough to be in the top spot. She's also just MIA in general a lot it seems whether it be to injury or for other reasons that don't come to surface. Over the last couple of years it seems like she's constantly gone for months, pops back up for a few months, and then is gone again for another couple of months. Rinse and repeat. They also probably just simply think Bianca is a better option and honestly it's hard to argue with that. Getting in her own way because of her ego is another reason I've heard. Although Charlotte apparently has a big of an ego too and also can be difficult but that doesn't stop them from pushing her all the time although to be fair unlike Sasha she is at least usually available. A lot of the time though unfortunately it's case of who you are. If they love you then it's a case of you having moxie and taking the bull by the horn but if they don't then you have an attitude problem and are "difficult to work with". I mean Charlotte having a massive ego isn't news or shocking to anyone. Anyone who has followed her interviews over the past couple of years realizes how awful of a person she seems to be, at least when it comes to wrestling and getting her way. Sasha is a lot less selfish and willing to put others over, like she did with Io Shirai at Great American Bash one time. Where Charlotte was SUPPOSED to put her over for the title, but politicked her way into not eating the pin in the triple threat match, if rumors are to be believed. Hell, Charlotte doesn't even sell for the vast majority of any woman's offense, and whenever Bianca (or any woman for that matter) goes up against her, it always ends real poorly for not Charlotte. And not in a kayfabe way either. But while Bianca seems to be a way better person behind the scenes, they are making the same mistakes with her that they did with Charlotte in that no one gets over from working with her. It's why I think audiences are going to turn on her sooner rather than later.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Mar 17, 2022 15:56:06 GMT -5
Both Raw and Smackdowns womens rosters are incredibly stale at this point with how small they are. Looking at you Nick Khan
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Mar 17, 2022 16:07:01 GMT -5
She's a bit injury prone so I could see that being a reason in that they probably just don't find her reliable enough to be in the top spot. She's also just MIA in general a lot it seems whether it be to injury or for other reasons that don't come to surface. Over the last couple of years it seems like she's constantly gone for months, pops back up for a few months, and then is gone again for another couple of months. Rinse and repeat. They also probably just simply think Bianca is a better option and honestly it's hard to argue with that. Getting in her own way because of her ego is another reason I've heard. Although Charlotte apparently has a big of an ego too and also can be difficult but that doesn't stop them from pushing her all the time although to be fair unlike Sasha she is at least usually available. A lot of the time though unfortunately it's case of who you are. If they love you then it's a case of you having moxie and taking the bull by the horn but if they don't then you have an attitude problem and are "difficult to work with". I mean Charlotte having a massive ego isn't news or shocking to anyone. Anyone who has followed her interviews over the past couple of years realizes how awful of a person she seems to be, at least when it comes to wrestling and getting her way. Sasha is a lot less selfish and willing to put others over, like she did with Io Shirai at Great American Bash one time. Where Charlotte was SUPPOSED to put her over for the title, but politicked her way into not eating the pin in the triple threat match, if rumors are to be believed. Hell, Charlotte doesn't even sell for the vast majority of any woman's offense, and whenever Bianca (or any woman for that matter) goes up against her, it always ends real poorly for not Charlotte. And not in a kayfabe way either. But while Bianca seems to be a way better person behind the scenes, they are making the same mistakes with her that they did with Charlotte in that no one gets over from working with her. It's why I think audiences are going to turn on her sooner rather than later. I get the vibe she's a bit entitled and it wouldn't surprise if the rumors are true of her being difficult but calling her an awful person seems a bit much. I'm as sick of her as the next guy but being hard to deal with professionally and a backstage politician doesn't equal awful person. I mean I guess she could be but I don't think that's the case just from what I've seen of her in interviews and stuff like that. I think I heard the rep she has is that most of the other girls like her personally but not professionally. Going all in on Bianca I think is the right move as she's probably the person to do with it. She's got the look, she's popular, can deliver in the ring, doesn't have any baggage (no injury history, good reputation behind the scenes), and is basically Super Woman with how crazy athletic she is and the feats of strength she can do. However I do agree that they probably have to be careful when it comes to pushing her too hard and protecting her too much or I'm sure eventually there's going to start being some backlash and fans calling her Bianca Cena or Bianca Reigns like Charlotte eventually got. Honestly I'm kind of surprised it hasn't started with how hard she's been pushed and constantly bitched out everyone in the division not named Becky. However they still love her so good for her I guess. I guess maybe her losing so quickly to Becky at Summerslam wasn't such a bad move after all in that it at least knocked her down a few pegs where fans still feel sympathetic for her over that and as a result are looking past the fact that if you ignore that one loss she's been by far the strongest booked woman on the show over the last two years (almost never jobs, always super dominant in the Rumble, beat almost an entire Survivor Series team by herself).
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Post by mistery on Mar 17, 2022 16:58:45 GMT -5
I mean Charlotte having a massive ego isn't news or shocking to anyone. Anyone who has followed her interviews over the past couple of years realizes how awful of a person she seems to be, at least when it comes to wrestling and getting her way. Sasha is a lot less selfish and willing to put others over, like she did with Io Shirai at Great American Bash one time. Where Charlotte was SUPPOSED to put her over for the title, but politicked her way into not eating the pin in the triple threat match, if rumors are to be believed. Hell, Charlotte doesn't even sell for the vast majority of any woman's offense, and whenever Bianca (or any woman for that matter) goes up against her, it always ends real poorly for not Charlotte. And not in a kayfabe way either. But while Bianca seems to be a way better person behind the scenes, they are making the same mistakes with her that they did with Charlotte in that no one gets over from working with her. It's why I think audiences are going to turn on her sooner rather than later. I get the vibe she's a bit entitled and it wouldn't surprise if the rumors are true of her being difficult but calling her an awful person seems a bit much. I'm as sick of her as the next guy but being hard to deal with professionally and a backstage politician doesn't equal awful person. I mean I guess she could be but I don't think that's the case just from what I've seen of her in interviews and stuff like that. I think I heard the rep she has is that most of the other girls like her personally but not professionally. Going all in on Bianca I think is the right move as she's probably the person to do with it. She's got the look, she's popular, can deliver in the ring, doesn't have any baggage (no injury history, good reputation behind the scenes), and is basically Super Woman with how crazy athletic she is and the feats of strength she can do. However I do agree that they probably have to be careful when it comes to pushing her too hard and protecting her too much or I'm sure eventually there's going to start being some backlash and fans calling her Bianca Cena or Bianca Reigns like Charlotte eventually got. Honestly I'm kind of surprised it hasn't started with how hard she's been pushed and constantly bitched out everyone in the division not named Becky. However they still love her so good for her I guess. I guess maybe her losing so quickly to Becky at Summerslam wasn't such a bad move after all in that it at least knocked her down a few pegs where fans still feel sympathetic for her over that and as a result are looking past the fact that if you ignore that one loss she's been by far the strongest booked woman on the show over the last two years (almost never jobs, always super dominant in the Rumble, beat almost an entire Survivor Series team by herself). Bianca will definitely start to get more negative reactions if she wins at Mania. Do remember that she actually got booed at Elimination Chamber when she eliminated Alexa and won. And now imagine if she starts going up against even other popular women like Asuka. It's why I think the only real major woman she can go up against besides Becky and get cheered is Lacey at this point. That will get even worse when/if WWE decides to start calling up women like Io, Dakota, etc and if they get fed to Bianca, I feel like there will be significantly more backlash at that point as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2022 17:20:00 GMT -5
The audiences tolerance of Bianca has not really been tested yet IMO but I think it will be starting at or right after Mania when you start getting new call ups waiting returns like Asuka and Alexa , ontop of dragging out the Becky and Bianca feud to atleast one more ppv after Mania.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 17, 2022 18:48:30 GMT -5
This is the same company that tried for almost a decade to try and find "the next Rey Mysterio" by hiring Sin Cara, Hunico, Kalisto, Gran Metalik, and Lince Dorado. Ultimately decided "screw it" and just brought back Rey Mysterio and fired the rest. But not before making three of those dudes come out together with a f***ing pinata just to remind you of their place And feeding them to a white supremacist
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Mar 18, 2022 2:54:58 GMT -5
I get the vibe she's a bit entitled and it wouldn't surprise if the rumors are true of her being difficult but calling her an awful person seems a bit much. I'm as sick of her as the next guy but being hard to deal with professionally and a backstage politician doesn't equal awful person. I mean I guess she could be but I don't think that's the case just from what I've seen of her in interviews and stuff like that. I think I heard the rep she has is that most of the other girls like her personally but not professionally. Going all in on Bianca I think is the right move as she's probably the person to do with it. She's got the look, she's popular, can deliver in the ring, doesn't have any baggage (no injury history, good reputation behind the scenes), and is basically Super Woman with how crazy athletic she is and the feats of strength she can do. However I do agree that they probably have to be careful when it comes to pushing her too hard and protecting her too much or I'm sure eventually there's going to start being some backlash and fans calling her Bianca Cena or Bianca Reigns like Charlotte eventually got. Honestly I'm kind of surprised it hasn't started with how hard she's been pushed and constantly bitched out everyone in the division not named Becky. However they still love her so good for her I guess. I guess maybe her losing so quickly to Becky at Summerslam wasn't such a bad move after all in that it at least knocked her down a few pegs where fans still feel sympathetic for her over that and as a result are looking past the fact that if you ignore that one loss she's been by far the strongest booked woman on the show over the last two years (almost never jobs, always super dominant in the Rumble, beat almost an entire Survivor Series team by herself). Bianca will definitely start to get more negative reactions if she wins at Mania. Do remember that she actually got booed at Elimination Chamber when she eliminated Alexa and won. And now imagine if she starts going up against even other popular women like Asuka. It's why I think the only real major woman she can go up against besides Becky and get cheered is Lacey at this point. That will get even worse when/if WWE decides to start calling up women like Io, Dakota, etc and if they get fed to Bianca, I feel like there will be significantly more backlash at that point as well. I watched Raw for the first time in a while and it was nothing but boos when Becky attacked her so I think that's a good sign for Bianca as IIRC when they were feuding late last year it probably about split with more siding with Becky. If she can get cheered over Becky I don't see why she can't against Io (especially if she's a heel) or especially Dakota. Maybe if she's fighting them like a year from now and she's continued to get Super Woman pushed and people get tired of her. However there's just some faces fans will just always like no matter how strong their booking is or how much of a chosen one they become. Like Becky for example was pushed super hard and heavily protected as a face in 2019-20 and as far as live crowds goes there was never backlash. It wouldn't surprise me if Bianca is one of those talents.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 18, 2022 7:08:32 GMT -5
People on here keep talking like it’s a fact Bianca is going to start getting booed because she wins a lot. But she’s just super popular right now and there’s no sign of any backlash against her.
They definitely can use more depth in the women’s divisions, but I definitely disagree with the notion there’s not enough challengers for Bianca post-Mania (if she wins). Becky obviously will get some kind of gimmick rematch. Rhea has been built up a lot and that can be a multi-month feud. I can see a one-off with Alexa at a PPV. Then there’s 3 women returning soon in Asuka, Bayley and Lacey. And then post-Mania callups such as Raquel and Io are likely. Eventually there will be the draft too.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 18, 2022 8:23:58 GMT -5
Yeah, Bianca's been the one woman that has gotten fans to boo Becky. Becky runs down the women's roster, the fans cheer. When Becky starts to talk shit on Bianca, the fans boo. I think people are underestimating how over Bianca is as a face.
And I'll give WWE credit for the job they've done with keeping Bianca and Rhea apart. They haven't blown that match yet, it's being saved, probably for SummerSlam. It's like what they've done with Bianca's hair whip, that's rare, so when she breaks it out, it means something.
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