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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 19:40:05 GMT -5
On the Lucha Bros subject, I get Fenix, I don't get Penta. Maybe it's just because I've never had any interest in LU but any other capacities I've seen him he seems like a pretty good but largely unremarkable wrestler who's heavily carried by a cool look and his mutant brother. That is largely what I have been saying about them post LU about why one would succeed but the other would struggle. Fenix can largely be accepted as is because he is the "wrestler" of the two with all the flashy moves etc. But Penta is all about his character and without dedicated focus on his story and character he becomes largely just someone who looks really badass and not much else , he needs purpose to his character and without it well. I know you said you had no interest in it but I think to "get" him as you say you didn't you should give it watch to really get his character because it is genuinely where everything about him was born from...the look (including the bone face paint he rocks) , the tone , the arm break etc and it is him genuinely at his absoloute best.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2022 9:46:46 GMT -5
I'm going to have to say Andrade. He's still a really good wrestler, but I lost interest in him when he got called up from NXT and he just hasn't done anything to win me over again. I didn't follow the early days of NXT. One Saturday night I decided to check out a Takeover PPV (Takeover Brooklyn III) and the moment Aleister Black's music hit and he began making his entrance I immediately became a fan. Not just a fan, but I was a total mark for the guy. As a 37 year old jaded wrestling fan, that was a rarity for me. In many ways, Aleister Black (as well as the rest of the incredible talent on that show) reignited my interest in wresting. Everything about the character was exceptional, in my opinion, that reminded me a lot of the magic that made Jake "The Snake" Roberts so special. His NXT theme was an absolute banger and my favorite jam for the gym. I had such high hopes for Mr. Black but also knew in my mind that WWE would find some way to make him look silly eventually. To be fair though, as cool as the NXT version of Aleister Black was, there still has to be more depth to the character to keep it fresh. Enter Malakai Black. When it was announced that Black had been released by WWE, I was disappointed but I also knew that it was probably best after the feud with the Mysterios and all that other silliness. I loved the name 'Aleister Black' and I thought 'Malakai Black' was pretty solid as well from a story point-of-view as Malakai is the "darkest side" of Aleister Black. The way he carried the "eye injury" to AEW was brilliant in my opinion and shows that Tom understands importance of storytelling and continuity. He's a true student of the game. However, he has gone from insanely over as the badass vigilante who will kick your head off and do it gracefully to another dark, cult leader. I love dark, scary, morbid shit as much as the next guy but enough is enough already. Not to mention, the weird Andrade alliance. I would almost go as far as to say that AEW "ruined" in more than WWE ever did. I won't say that, however, because I don't think it's too late to turn Malakai Back around. Sadly though, I fear he might not be able to recapture that mystique he once had. I hope I am proven wrong very soon because his material damn near unwatchable. Yeah, I still love Malakai as a talent, but the House of Black stuff has kinda lost me lately. Everyone's favorites go through a lull at some point though and I hope that's all this is for him.
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Post by pinja on Mar 22, 2022 9:55:05 GMT -5
On the Lucha Bros subject, I get Fenix, I don't get Penta. Maybe it's just because I've never had any interest in LU but any other capacities I've seen him he seems like a pretty good but largely unremarkable wrestler who's heavily carried by a cool look and his mutant brother. That is largely what I have been saying about them post LU about why one would succeed but the other would struggle. Fenix can largely be accepted as is because he is the "wrestler" of the two with all the flashy moves etc. But Penta is all about his character and without dedicated focus on his story and character he becomes largely just someone who looks really badass and not much else , he needs purpose to his character and without it well. I know you said you had no interest in it but I think to "get" him as you say you didn't you should give it watch to really get his character because it is genuinely where everything about him was born from...the look (including the bone face paint he rocks) , the tone , the arm break etc and it is him genuinely at his absoloute best. One would think a guy being about his character would be better at showing it in-ring. He still has some of the LU silent swag, but he sinks so bad without dedicated booking that I don't want to see him do anything. With Andrade I, too, still don't see it and Hangman as champion softened me up on Omega quite a bit. I don't watch the Bucks, neither Cole at this point. The pillars bar MJF don't interest me and while I theoretically like Malakai, I hate the direction he and his group took. All in all, I'm pretty down on much that is going on, although there are plenty of wrestlers I like.
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Post by defectiveepitaph on Mar 22, 2022 12:24:15 GMT -5
I stopped watching NXT before Andrade and Adam Cole started there but was curious to see what they’d bring to AEW. So far, neither do anything for me. Also, haven’t understood the appeal of Kris Statlander (and i don’t think it’s because of the alien gimmick, I love a ridiculous gimmick) but what I’ve seen of the more serious side to her recently makes me interested to see where she goes with that. I’m not usually into a super serious gimmick change, but I’m hella interested in Statlanders new direction.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Mar 22, 2022 13:07:45 GMT -5
Omega won me over. Still think his Okada matches are boring slogs tho.
As of right now... CM Punk. I just... I was excited, then he cut his first promo, and I was like... "Eh...". The he had the first match, and it wasn't good. Neither was his other matches.
The MJF feud has rehabbed him some, but I think Punk works way better as the smug heel.
Another is Mox. Mox just sucks. I said it earlier, but Ambrose was way better.
I don't Dark Order at all. I understand the sympathy for them, because of the Brodie situation, but they do nothing for me.
And lastly Hangman. He makes a good chaser, and would be a great TNT or other Mid-Card champion, but he shouldn't be the WORLD champion, Standard Bearer. Hopefully his reign is short.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2022 14:27:29 GMT -5
Britt. She's the epitome of that "an 8 pushed as a 10 so they seem like a 6" line.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 22, 2022 15:59:30 GMT -5
I really want to like Keith Lee but dude wrestles like he’s underwater and half speed and his promos are just kinda whatever
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Post by chnwh on Mar 22, 2022 16:27:59 GMT -5
Kenny
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 22, 2022 16:48:48 GMT -5
Boyfriend/Girlfriend team of Adam Cole and Britt Baker. Two of the most overindulgent wrestlers in the industry right now. Baker is good and deserving of a title reign but, not one half as long as the one she just finished. On top of having a House of Torture like stable around her, she just isn't all that great in the ring. Good, sure. Can be great with the right opponents but, she by herself just isn't good enough to carry a division. Nowhere close.
Cole is everything people accuse Kenny of being in terms of goofy theatrics and facials. I want to like him. He's got a ton of personality and can go on his day but, it's never fully clicked for me outside of the Andrade match in NXT. He's also what everyone accuses the Bucks of in terms of always wanting to be a "cool heel."
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Post by clodhopper on Mar 23, 2022 11:24:01 GMT -5
Now that he's there, I'll say Jeff Hardy. I have never, ever understood the appeal of the guy. Don't mind Matt, for some reason.
Moxley and Darby I find their character work corny rather than cool but I enjoy their matches so that makes up for it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2022 11:37:43 GMT -5
That is largely what I have been saying about them post LU about why one would succeed but the other would struggle. Fenix can largely be accepted as is because he is the "wrestler" of the two with all the flashy moves etc. But Penta is all about his character and without dedicated focus on his story and character he becomes largely just someone who looks really badass and not much else , he needs purpose to his character and without it well. I know you said you had no interest in it but I think to "get" him as you say you didn't you should give it watch to really get his character because it is genuinely where everything about him was born from...the look (including the bone face paint he rocks) , the tone , the arm break etc and it is him genuinely at his absoloute best. One would think a guy being about his character would be better at showing it in-ring. He still has some of the LU silent swag, but he sinks so bad without dedicated booking that I don't want to see him do anything. With Andrade I, too, still don't see it and Hangman as champion softened me up on Omega quite a bit. I don't watch the Bucks, neither Cole at this point. The pillars bar MJF don't interest me and while I theoretically like Malakai, I hate the direction he and his group took. All in all, I'm pretty down on much that is going on, although there are plenty of wrestlers I like. The thing about Penta is that he's got to have some edge to him be effective, and I don't just mean a new outfit and Abrahantes dressed up as an eeeeevil monk. In LU he was basically the equivalent of Snake Eyes from GI Joe. A bad ass killer with a psuedo-ninja aesthetic who was out to break your arm off and beat you to death with it. He was booked as a nasty sadist and the crowd loved him for it. That COULD work in a team with Fenix if they go a good cop/bad cop routine with it where Fenix is the acrobatic high flyer nice guy whereas Penta is the bonebreaker who isn't out to win any points on style.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Mar 23, 2022 14:30:28 GMT -5
Orange Cassidy. If I never see him on my tv again I’d be a very happy man. Good god man act like you give a shit! Dumbest most infuriating gimmick ever!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2022 18:18:53 GMT -5
Andrade that is the worst.
Dante Martin should not be on tv in a major company and sure as hell not in the spot he’s in.
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Post by petef3 on Mar 23, 2022 18:47:20 GMT -5
None of these are unsalvageable, but people I'm at least more pessimistic than others on:
- Adam Cole. For the reasons Space Lone Wolf talked about. I will say that his PPV main event with Page surprised me. But the rematch is going to have to surprise me again because I'm not really all that looking forward to it (and he has absolutely zero business holding the title at this point, so God forbid it ever comes to that).
- Britt Baker. Ditto. In this case, it's because the character absolutely refuses to budge. We'll see show reacts to being an ex-champion but her initial, "Oh well, I'm still the best" Tweets after the Rosa loss weren't exactly promising. I also don't have much tolerance for heels whose acts basically require the babyfaces to be idiots, and we're at the point where anyone who goes into a regular Baker match without backup is indeed one.
- Keith Lee. I won't address the elephant in the room but I do wonder when we can actually start talking about his performances, because outside of a few spots it sure seems like his matches have consisted of his opponent wrestling against a brick wall. I know he's had serious health problems, but how long do we have to grade his matches on a curve?
- Danhausen. In this case, it's not on the performer. It's that we're two months in and every week that passes by, I'm less and less sure that AEW actually knows what they're doing with this guy. He stands at ringside, usually for a team that loses. Occasionally he "curses" people. Announcers repeat his catchphrase as if all million viewers are innately familiar with him. He's a guy whose best attribute is talking, and he's yet to talk on television. I know his character has a ceiling and that he wasn't signed to be a ****-classic-having, World title contender. But at some point AEW has to show us what he's all about instead of telling us, and that means actually letting him cut loose *on television.* Not on vlogs, or on Youtube, or on Twitter, or relying on viewers to "just Google him." Yeah, I know he's still hurt--that's MORE reason to run actual vignettes with the guy, not less.
I like Penta el Zero M a lot, but I agree on Penta Oscuro specifically. I don't know what his deal is, because so far he's slightly changed his look, Alex has changed his look more, and he wrestles in exactly the same way at exactly the same level as he was before. This may be yet another hot take, but maybe he needs to split from his brother if he's going to go this route, because his brother is about as pure babyface as it gets and I think it takes away from the act if he comes back and they're still together.
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Post by Venti on Mar 23, 2022 19:17:56 GMT -5
Not to be a broken record, but Kenny Omega. Only have seen one match of his that I enjoyed, which was that one on Dynamite against Danielson that ended in the draw.
Not a fan of the Bucks' style of matches AT ALL. However, I can't really hate on them too much because when I met them years ago they were very cool and nice to me. So I'm a bit biased. Just not a style of wrestling that I care for.
Orange Cassidy is the biggest one for me. The gimmick just sucks so much imo. It's a comedy jobber gimmick yet he's been in main event programs. Plus it would annoy me when everytime I tuned into Dynamite and he'd be on every single episode but some of my favorites would be completely MIA. Will Hobbes losing to him was the final straw for me with AEW to where I only slightly pay attention to it these days.
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Post by HeyYo on Mar 24, 2022 12:25:24 GMT -5
Orange Cassidy and Danhausen. Yes I get the gimmicks but I think they're absolutely terrible.
Moxley and Omega for the reasons posted.
Most of all the Young Bucks.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 24, 2022 12:29:53 GMT -5
Andrade that is the worst. Dante Martin should not be on tv in a major company and sure as hell not in the spot he’s in. Well neither are currently top wrestlers.
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