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Post by eJm on Mar 21, 2022 8:02:31 GMT -5
Considering the two-night format for this year wasn’t confirmed until the summer last year, seems more like a “when” rather than an “if”. For me, if WWE is going to try and pack everyone onto cards and the choice is either “two nights” or “WrestleMania 34 is still going to this day”, I’m taking the former. It sucks that their fans think those are the only two options now. How about one Mania that is an hour longer than a usual ppv like they used to do until about 5 years ago? Edit: nevermind you agreed with me like a a few posts later. The other issue was that, even 5-6 years ago, they were trying to cram people onto the card. WrestleMania 31's pre-show had a 4 team tag title match and a 30 man Andre the Giant Battle Royale which, combined with the pre-show hype packages, weren't exactly small parts of the show. So there was a need to just cram as many bodies as possible before they started signing everyone in the world to also be included in those matches and expand the card. On the one hand, it's commendable to want to do that but the other, it doesn't really help make the show special and as others who have been to a WrestleMania can tell you, it makes being in the arena tedious and going from the arena after the show when there's no decent transport options available or the ones available are crammed like sardines, genuine hell.
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Post by Push R Truth on Mar 21, 2022 8:04:53 GMT -5
Tickets, food, hotel and travel is expensive enough today and then multiply it by 2 because of 2 days.
I wouldn't go to Mania even if it was a good show right now due to cost alone.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 21, 2022 8:12:32 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think it matters until we see get some semblance of a profit/cost analysis through their quarterly financials and the Wrestlenomics guys. I don't think WWE cares if a few top sections aren't totally sold if they made more money than normal.
I could see them returning to one-night Mania's once international travel restrictions are lifted, though.
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Post by eJm on Mar 21, 2022 8:15:43 GMT -5
I could see them returning to one-night Mania's once international travel restrictions are lifted, though. If anything, I'd say this is the philosophy going forward, especially when international travel restrictions lift. They'd likely cite how well the NBA does with All-Star Weekend if it's asked why they'd carry on with it.
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Post by ghost on Mar 21, 2022 9:55:34 GMT -5
Getting 60k on back to back nights to watch the WWE in its current form is baffling. Brand loyalty is a real damn thing. Or maybe a lot of people like something you don’t like? I’ve been to four WMs and I will go again. It’s an incredible experience to be in a town full of wrestling fans with shows running almost nonstop Thursday through Sunday from the lower indies to the biggest spectacle in wrestling. Just because I don’t like a musical act doesn’t mean people who do are somehow inferior and have been brainwashed if they go to a concert. They like something I don’t. Live and let live. If a musical act was writing shitty songs and coasting on their success from decades earlier yet were still getting massive crowds for their stadium shows, then I’d say the same thing. The WWE is a poorly written variety show that is written for the amusement of a white man in his 70’s, yet can get 60k people (of many races, cultures, etc) on back to back nights. That’s very baffling to me. I never said the people who attend the shows or like the product are “inferior”. Like what you like.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 21, 2022 10:00:34 GMT -5
Or maybe a lot of people like something you don’t like? I’ve been to four WMs and I will go again. It’s an incredible experience to be in a town full of wrestling fans with shows running almost nonstop Thursday through Sunday from the lower indies to the biggest spectacle in wrestling. Just because I don’t like a musical act doesn’t mean people who do are somehow inferior and have been brainwashed if they go to a concert. They like something I don’t. Live and let live. If a musical act was writing shitty songs and coasting on their success from decades earlier yet were still getting massive crowds for their stadium shows, then I’d say the same thing. The WWE is a poorly written variety show that is written for the amusement of a white man in his 70’s, yet can get 60k people (of many races, cultures, etc) on back to back nights. That’s very baffling to me. I never said the people who attend the shows or like the product are “inferior”. Like what you like. “Shitty songs” and “poorly written” are subjective opinions, though. Just look at the takes in the Edge theme song thread to see that in music, wrestling, any entertainment genre really, one person’s “shitty” is another person’s “good.” Doesn’t have to mean it’s brand loyalty.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 21, 2022 10:39:35 GMT -5
It sucks that their fans think those are the only two options now. How about one Mania that is an hour longer than a usual ppv like they used to do until about 5 years ago? Edit: nevermind you agreed with me like a a few posts later. The other issue was that, even 5-6 years ago, they were trying to cram people onto the card. WrestleMania 31's pre-show had a 4 team tag title match and a 30 man Andre the Giant Battle Royale which, combined with the pre-show hype packages, weren't exactly small parts of the show. So there was a need to just cram as many bodies as possible before they started signing everyone in the world to also be included in those matches and expand the card. On the one hand, it's commendable to want to do that but the other, it doesn't really help make the show special and as others who have been to a WrestleMania can tell you, it makes being in the arena tedious and going from the arena after the show when there's no decent transport options available or the ones available are crammed like sardines, genuine hell. and it's not like "Get everyone on teh card" is a new phenomenon. WM 2 and 3 had 12 matches each.... and most were like 5 minutes long. Mania 4 had 16 and almost all but 2 were around the 5 minute mark... get everyone on the card has pretty much always been their philosophy once Mania was established.
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Post by oxbaker on Mar 21, 2022 11:18:05 GMT -5
Or maybe a lot of people like something you don’t like? I’ve been to four WMs and I will go again. It’s an incredible experience to be in a town full of wrestling fans with shows running almost nonstop Thursday through Sunday from the lower indies to the biggest spectacle in wrestling. Just because I don’t like a musical act doesn’t mean people who do are somehow inferior and have been brainwashed if they go to a concert. They like something I don’t. Live and let live. If a musical act was writing shitty songs and coasting on their success from decades earlier yet were still getting massive crowds for their stadium shows, then I’d say the same thing. The WWE is a poorly written variety show that is written for the amusement of a white man in his 70’s, yet can get 60k people (of many races, cultures, etc) on back to back nights. That’s very baffling to me. I never said the people who attend the shows or like the product are “inferior”. Like what you like. So basically you’re saying “I’m not saying the people who attend shows or like the product are inferior … they just like shitty things.” Yeah, just own it man. Say what you really think about them. Don’t try to have it both ways. Because if you don’t like it, it must be objectively shitty? No, it means you like something else than someone else likes. I don’t know why that’s so hard to accept. Perhaps if enough people of various races, cultures, ages, etc., like something then maybe they see something in it you don’t? I don’t like reality TV. A lot of people obviously do because they watch it. Doesn’t mean they like shitty things. It means what appeals to them doesn’t appeal to me.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 21, 2022 11:27:05 GMT -5
In an ideal world I’d like a single night Wrestlemania that lasts 4-4 and a half hours max and features only “Wrestlemania worthy” matches.
The problem is no one would ever agree what to cut. It’s like when there’s a bloated album with 20+ songs and everyone agrees it would be better to trim the fat and just keep the best dozen songs. Then people make their own lists with their favorites and they’re all wildly different. It would be the same kind of thing here. Some people might say cut McIntyre/Corbin then others will say no, it would be a slap in the face to Drew after helping carrying the company through a pandemic and jobbing in a world title match last year to be left off the card this year. Some might say the womens tag belts are worthless and don’t deserve to make the cut then you will have Naomi/Liv/Rhea stans raging if they miss out. Some will say screw the celebrity matches and others will be fans of them and consider it a big part of Wrestlemania.
Roman/Brock Becky/Bianca Charlotte/Ronda Edge/Styles Rollins/Cody Austin/Owens
Every one of those listed probably needs around half an hour of PPV time between entrances, match and aftermath, some of them ever more. If you want the PPV to be a reasonable length that basically covers it but then you still have RK-Bro who are too popular not to have a match, people like Sasha Banks, Drew McIntyre, New Day and Finn Balor who also have big fanbases who would riot if they were left off, Sami Zayn who’s done such great work the past year and deserves a spot, the Usos who have been majorly pushed this past year, newer guys like Theory/Priest they want to feature, the likes of Miz and Sheamus who work hard all year and are beloved by their peers who would hate to see them miss out. The roster is just too big. The options are either a trim 4 hour show with 7-8 matches which means a lot of people will be angry when their favorites don’t make the cut, those super long shows we got from 2016-2019 with more matches squeezed onto the card but the audience is exhausted by the 3-4 hour mark and the final matches suffer or the two night formula which is probably the best option given their current situation.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Mar 21, 2022 14:16:57 GMT -5
I can’t wait to see how they blame Shane McMahon for this.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Mar 21, 2022 14:31:49 GMT -5
I say we do like Big Egg Wrestling Universe and just do a 10 hour show
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Post by Chiral on Mar 21, 2022 17:48:20 GMT -5
I like the idea of two night Wrestlemanias, but it is a harder sell with a diminished roster. That said, 32 had a diminished roster and that show went like 80 bajillion hours so I'll take two nights if it's the only way their time management can be sane.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 21, 2022 17:55:21 GMT -5
I just saw on Twitter someone posting pictures of a house show in Springfield (Mass I guess). Looked like a building they’d tape Raw in in 1994/5 and it was half full. They’re probably going to be using some very creative camera angles at Mania. They'll likely have the arena set up very similar to how Summerslam was set up at Allegiant Stadium, with the back end of the arena completely empty (and this is where they set up hard cam so you can't see this at all), and a shorter ramp than previous Manias.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 21, 2022 18:00:51 GMT -5
It’s time to reduce Mania back to 3 hours or less and run arenas again.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Mar 21, 2022 18:02:47 GMT -5
I wouldn’t mind a single colossal 14 hour Mania…if it’s on Saturday like the Rumble and Summerslam are now.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 21, 2022 18:03:52 GMT -5
I wouldn’t mind a single colossal 14 hour Mania…if it’s on Saturday like the Rumble and Summerslam are now. Why do you hate yourself?
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 21, 2022 18:04:54 GMT -5
It’s time to reduce Mania back to 3 hours or less and run arenas again. That wouldnt please the stockholders and that is the only audience that matters anymore.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 21, 2022 18:05:42 GMT -5
It’s time to reduce Mania back to 3 hours or less and run arenas again. That wouldnt please the stockholders and that is the only audience that matters anymore. Well one day soon, they’re gonna lose their ass on Mania…
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 21, 2022 18:11:23 GMT -5
That wouldnt please the stockholders and that is the only audience that matters anymore. Well one day soon, they’re gonna lose their ass on Mania… Modern day Wall Street doesnt care about the future. They care about next quarter. You have to show a profit and growth next quarter. who cares about next year, next decade. Its only next quarter. Thats why capitalism is broken.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 21, 2022 18:20:00 GMT -5
Well one day soon, they’re gonna lose their ass on Mania… Modern day Wall Street doesnt care about the future. They care about next quarter. You have to show a profit and growth next quarter. who cares about next year, next decade. Its only next quarter. Thats why capitalism is broken. Which matters to an extent but Mania is a drop in the bucket revenue wise. One could argue you're better off doing one night and spreading the big matches out like the UFC does since Mania will draw somewhat regardless. And they're going to need those big matches given they're increasing the amount of stadium shows each year.
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