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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 21, 2022 18:35:11 GMT -5
That wouldnt please the stockholders and that is the only audience that matters anymore. Well one day soon, they’re gonna lose their ass on Mania… How so? They sold 120,000 tickets so far with little international travel. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 21, 2022 20:53:53 GMT -5
Also what needs to be taken into account.
If they've got 60k for both nights and it holds 100k... then they sold 120k seats ... which is already more than they would have for just one night right.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 21, 2022 21:22:11 GMT -5
Well one day soon, they’re gonna lose their ass on Mania… How so? They sold 120,000 tickets so far with little international travel. So a little better than half of what’s available…so in other words, one night is a sellout and one is empty, with the same production and costs. |
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Post by The Trashman on Mar 21, 2022 21:26:03 GMT -5
How so? They sold 120,000 tickets so far with little international travel. So a little better than half of what’s available…so in other words, one night is a sellout and one is empty, with the same production and costs. That's not the way it works. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 21, 2022 21:32:44 GMT -5
So a little better than half of what’s available…so in other words, one night is a sellout and one is empty, with the same production and costs. That's not the way it works. Of course it is. It costs the same to sell out one night with all the production as it does it to do two nights with half full crowds. |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 21, 2022 22:14:39 GMT -5
That's not the way it works. Of course it is. It costs the same to sell out one night with all the production as it does it to do two nights with half full crowds. What? Of course it doesn't. How much do you think it costs them to run a Wrestlemania? If anything they're being paid to do it. WWE doesn't seek out cities for Wrestlemania anymore. For the past 10-15 years it's the cities themselves that bid to host Wrestlemania due to the millions it brings to the local economy over the week. There's no way they don't have a cushy deal. They already have the stadium to themselves for basically a whole week anyway. Although even if they did have to pay regular costs of production/security for an extra show it's still a drop in the ocean compared to the extra profit they're making from the added show. You're assuming because they've sold 120,000 tickets already that they would have sold all 100,000 for a single night show but there's no way that's the case. Again, in the 100+ years of pro wrestling as we know it no show has ever sold 100,000 tickets. If Londos-Gotch, Thesz-Rikidozan, Hogan-Andre or Rock-Austin didn't do it then I guarantee Charlotte/Ronda and Roman/Brock wouldn't. They'd probably have sold around 70-75,000 if it was a one night show. In the same building 6 years ago with a bigger roster and no pandemic they sold around 80,000. They're only managing to sell well over 100,000 because a lot of them are people buying for both nights. There's no way they don't make way more money doing the two night thing. Take Summerslam for instance. They announced a crowd of 51,000. Let's say once you take away the usual kayfabe bump WWE gives their attendances that they actually sold 45,000 tickets. That was enough to make it the highest grossing Summerslam of all time and make millions. With higher ticket prices both Wrestlemania nights have already sold almost 60,000 each as of a few days ago and will probably be around 70,000 each by early April. |
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Mar 21, 2022 22:17:08 GMT -5
How so? They sold 120,000 tickets so far with little international travel. So a little better than half of what’s available…so in other words, one night is a sellout and one is empty, with the same production and costs. What? That is not how it works. That's not how any of this works lol. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 21, 2022 22:20:14 GMT -5
Of course it is. It costs the same to sell out one night with all the production as it does it to do two nights with half full crowds. What? Of course it doesn't. How much do you think it costs them to run a Wrestlemania? If anything they're being paid to do it. WWE doesn't seek out cities for Wrestlemania anymore. For the past 10-15 years it's the cities themselves that bid to host Wrestlemania due to the millions it brings to the local economy over the week. There's no way they don't have a cushy deal. They already have the stadium to themselves for basically a whole week anyway. Although even if they did have to pay regular costs of production/security for an extra show it's still a drop in the ocean compared to the extra profit they're making from the added show. You're assuming because they've sold 120,000 tickets already that they would have sold all 100,000 for a single night show but there's no way that's the case. Again, in the 100+ years of pro wrestling as we know it no show has ever sold 100,000 tickets. If Londos-Gotch, Thesz-Rikidozan, Hogan-Andre or Rock-Austin didn't do it then I guarantee Charlotte/Ronda and Roman/Brock wouldn't. They'd probably have sold around 70-75,000 if it was a one night show. In the same building 6 years ago with a bigger roster and no pandemic they sold around 80,000. They're only managing to sell well over 100,000 because a lot of them are people buying for both nights. There's no way they don't make way more money doing the two night thing. Take Summerslam for instance. They announced a crowd of 51,000. Let's say once you take away the usual kayfabe bump WWE gives their attendances that they actually sold 45,000 tickets. That was enough to make it the highest grossing Summerslam of all time and make millions. With higher ticket prices both Wrestlemania nights have already sold almost 60,000 each as of a few days ago and will probably be around 70,000 each by early April. The stadium needs to make a profit as well. Otherwise there's no point in doing it. Stadiums and arenas need to run 365, otherwise there's no money. |
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Mar 21, 2022 22:23:00 GMT -5
What? Of course it doesn't. How much do you think it costs them to run a Wrestlemania? If anything they're being paid to do it. WWE doesn't seek out cities for Wrestlemania anymore. For the past 10-15 years it's the cities themselves that bid to host Wrestlemania due to the millions it brings to the local economy over the week. There's no way they don't have a cushy deal. They already have the stadium to themselves for basically a whole week anyway. Although even if they did have to pay regular costs of production/security for an extra show it's still a drop in the ocean compared to the extra profit they're making from the added show. You're assuming because they've sold 120,000 tickets already that they would have sold all 100,000 for a single night show but there's no way that's the case. Again, in the 100+ years of pro wrestling as we know it no show has ever sold 100,000 tickets. If Londos-Gotch, Thesz-Rikidozan, Hogan-Andre or Rock-Austin didn't do it then I guarantee Charlotte/Ronda and Roman/Brock wouldn't. They'd probably have sold around 70-75,000 if it was a one night show. In the same building 6 years ago with a bigger roster and no pandemic they sold around 80,000. They're only managing to sell well over 100,000 because a lot of them are people buying for both nights. There's no way they don't make way more money doing the two night thing. Take Summerslam for instance. They announced a crowd of 51,000. Let's say once you take away the usual kayfabe bump WWE gives their attendances that they actually sold 45,000 tickets. That was enough to make it the highest grossing Summerslam of all time and make millions. With higher ticket prices both Wrestlemania nights have already sold almost 60,000 each as of a few days ago and will probably be around 70,000 each by early April. The stadium needs to make a profit as well. Otherwise there's no point in doing it. Stadiums and arenas need to run 365, otherwise there's no money. The Stadium makes money from WWE renting the Arena which it already was going to do even if it was one night because they have to build the set. Plus they'll make money from concessions and stuff. |
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Post by oxbaker on Mar 21, 2022 22:24:55 GMT -5
What? Of course it doesn't. How much do you think it costs them to run a Wrestlemania? If anything they're being paid to do it. WWE doesn't seek out cities for Wrestlemania anymore. For the past 10-15 years it's the cities themselves that bid to host Wrestlemania due to the millions it brings to the local economy over the week. There's no way they don't have a cushy deal. They already have the stadium to themselves for basically a whole week anyway. Although even if they did have to pay regular costs of production/security for an extra show it's still a drop in the ocean compared to the extra profit they're making from the added show. You're assuming because they've sold 120,000 tickets already that they would have sold all 100,000 for a single night show but there's no way that's the case. Again, in the 100+ years of pro wrestling as we know it no show has ever sold 100,000 tickets. If Londos-Gotch, Thesz-Rikidozan, Hogan-Andre or Rock-Austin didn't do it then I guarantee Charlotte/Ronda and Roman/Brock wouldn't. They'd probably have sold around 70-75,000 if it was a one night show. In the same building 6 years ago with a bigger roster and no pandemic they sold around 80,000. They're only managing to sell well over 100,000 because a lot of them are people buying for both nights. There's no way they don't make way more money doing the two night thing. Take Summerslam for instance. They announced a crowd of 51,000. Let's say once you take away the usual kayfabe bump WWE gives their attendances that they actually sold 45,000 tickets. That was enough to make it the highest grossing Summerslam of all time and make millions. With higher ticket prices both Wrestlemania nights have already sold almost 60,000 each as of a few days ago and will probably be around 70,000 each by early April. The stadium needs to make a profit as well. Otherwise there's no point in doing it. Stadiums and arenas need to run 365, otherwise there's no money. Indoor, basketball-sized arenas run closer to 300-plus days. Football stadiums do not. I’d be surprised if the Jerry Dome does more than 150 dates per year and at that it would be one of the more active. |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 21, 2022 22:25:04 GMT -5
What? Of course it doesn't. How much do you think it costs them to run a Wrestlemania? If anything they're being paid to do it. WWE doesn't seek out cities for Wrestlemania anymore. For the past 10-15 years it's the cities themselves that bid to host Wrestlemania due to the millions it brings to the local economy over the week. There's no way they don't have a cushy deal. They already have the stadium to themselves for basically a whole week anyway. Although even if they did have to pay regular costs of production/security for an extra show it's still a drop in the ocean compared to the extra profit they're making from the added show. You're assuming because they've sold 120,000 tickets already that they would have sold all 100,000 for a single night show but there's no way that's the case. Again, in the 100+ years of pro wrestling as we know it no show has ever sold 100,000 tickets. If Londos-Gotch, Thesz-Rikidozan, Hogan-Andre or Rock-Austin didn't do it then I guarantee Charlotte/Ronda and Roman/Brock wouldn't. They'd probably have sold around 70-75,000 if it was a one night show. In the same building 6 years ago with a bigger roster and no pandemic they sold around 80,000. They're only managing to sell well over 100,000 because a lot of them are people buying for both nights. There's no way they don't make way more money doing the two night thing. Take Summerslam for instance. They announced a crowd of 51,000. Let's say once you take away the usual kayfabe bump WWE gives their attendances that they actually sold 45,000 tickets. That was enough to make it the highest grossing Summerslam of all time and make millions. With higher ticket prices both Wrestlemania nights have already sold almost 60,000 each as of a few days ago and will probably be around 70,000 each by early April. The stadium needs to make a profit as well. Otherwise there's no point in doing it. Stadiums and arenas need to run 365, otherwise there's no money. The stadium is making way more profit by running the two shows though. That's an extra night with 70,000 people buying food, drinks and merch at those ridiculous prices. And after Wrestlemania the stadium doesn't have any other events scheduled until a boxing fight two weeks later so it's not like they have something on the Monday/Tuesday and needed WWE to clear out quickly. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 21, 2022 22:30:22 GMT -5
The stadium needs to make a profit as well. Otherwise there's no point in doing it. Stadiums and arenas need to run 365, otherwise there's no money. The stadium is making way more profit by running the two shows though. That's an extra night with 70,000 people buying food, drinks and merch at those ridiculous prices. And after Wrestlemania the stadium doesn't have any other events scheduled until a boxing fight two weeks later so it's not like they have something on the Monday/Tuesday and needed WWE to clear out quickly. It depends on what WWE has in their deal. Most times those places keep concessions, it's theirs afterall, plus get a cut of merch, because they're taking up space in the stadium. Guys who are @ me, I work in arenas, I know what it takes to put on a show. WWE doesn't pay a flat fee and keep everything. |
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Mar 21, 2022 22:33:54 GMT -5
The stadium is making way more profit by running the two shows though. That's an extra night with 70,000 people buying food, drinks and merch at those ridiculous prices. And after Wrestlemania the stadium doesn't have any other events scheduled until a boxing fight two weeks later so it's not like they have something on the Monday/Tuesday and needed WWE to clear out quickly. It depends on what WWE has in their deal. Most times those places keep concessions, it's theirs afterall, plus get a cut of merch, because they're taking up space in the stadium. Guys who are @ me, I work in arenas, I know what it takes to put on a show. WWE doesn't pay a flat fee and keep everything. Whatever deal they have, I guarantee they'll make a huge profit having 60 - 70 thousand people in the stadium each night even if they arent fully sold out. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 21, 2022 22:36:15 GMT -5
How so? They sold 120,000 tickets so far with little international travel. So a little better than half of what’s available…so in other words, one night is a sellout and one is empty, with the same production and costs. There’s two weeks left and they sold around 120,000 out of a possible 160,000. A legit sellout because of the staging is around 80K. They’re definitely making a lot of money, still. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 21, 2022 22:36:33 GMT -5
It depends on what WWE has in their deal. Most times those places keep concessions, it's theirs afterall, plus get a cut of merch, because they're taking up space in the stadium. Guys who are @ me, I work in arenas, I know what it takes to put on a show. WWE doesn't pay a flat fee and keep everything. Whatever deal they have, I guarantee they'll make a huge profit having 60 - 70 thousand people in the stadium each night even if they arent fully sold out. Oh, they probably make out just fine, but it all depends on their deal, but don't pretend it's insane they'd lose money on Mania, they have before. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 21, 2022 22:44:58 GMT -5
So a little better than half of what’s available…so in other words, one night is a sellout and one is empty, with the same production and costs. There’s two weeks left and they sold around 120,000 out of a possible 160,000. A legit sellout because of the staging is around 80K. They’re definitely making a lot of money, still. Then I misunderstand something. So reality is, 80,000 is the the actual capacity of Jerry's World for Mania and over two nights that's 160K? |
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 21, 2022 23:10:08 GMT -5
There’s two weeks left and they sold around 120,000 out of a possible 160,000. A legit sellout because of the staging is around 80K. They’re definitely making a lot of money, still. Then I misunderstand something. So reality is, 80,000 is the the actual capacity of Jerry's World for Mania and over two nights that's 160K? My understanding was that Meltzer said they can probably fit a little over 80K in there with the big stage setup. Maybe I’m undershooting it a bit. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 21, 2022 23:17:48 GMT -5
Then I misunderstand something. So reality is, 80,000 is the the actual capacity of Jerry's World for Mania and over two nights that's 160K? My understanding was that Meltzer said they can probably fit a little over 80K in there with the big stage setup. Maybe I’m undershooting it a bit. They did legit 93K for the first Mania in Arlington. It's a legitimately gigantic stadium. |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 21, 2022 23:18:47 GMT -5
Whatever deal they have, I guarantee they'll make a huge profit having 60 - 70 thousand people in the stadium each night even if they arent fully sold out. Oh, they probably make out just fine, but it all depends on their deal, but don't pretend it's insane they'd lose money on Mania, they have before. I didn't know they'd ever actually lost money on Wrestlemania. 2 with the weird different locations gimmick maybe? Even the New Generation Manias surely made profits. I know the PPV numbers for 19 were considered a disaster but they did fine at the gate and wouldn't have lost money, just probably didn't make as much as hoped. Not only will they not lose money this year but there's a decent chance it may end up being the most profitable event in the history of the company (your mileage will vary if you think that "counts" as holding the record though with it technically being two shows and not one). |
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 21, 2022 23:19:25 GMT -5
My understanding was that Meltzer said they can probably fit a little over 80K in there with the big stage setup. Maybe I’m undershooting it a bit. They did legit 93K for the first Mania in Arlington. It's a legitimately gigantic stadium. Interesting, I feel like the recent Observers have said they sold 58-59K out of a possible 80K. From Feb: “They got it from like 47 (thousand) to 53(thousand) each night. So they’re doing, they’re doing, you know, whatever that means, that’s where they’re at. I mean, it’s only a few, they still got a lot of tickets to go. They got 27,000 for each night left. So, we’ll see.” |
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