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Post by asuka007 on Apr 16, 2022 21:57:57 GMT -5
I could buy Ethan and Sky as babyfaces. But not as long as they pal around with Lambert.
Lambert’s entire character is basically “gross old misogynist who represents ieverything wrong with the world.” He needs to go away for this to work.
Not sure where PVZ would fit in?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 16, 2022 21:58:35 GMT -5
He's pretty much by default the shittiest TNT champion of all time now. I'm kind of split between him and Brodie. Scorpio didn't really do anything as champion but I'm not sure if that's better or worse than how Brodie won the title super decisively then spent most of his reign having his stable get stomped every week, though at least the match he lost it in was a classic even before it wound up being his last match.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 16, 2022 21:58:38 GMT -5
I think that only goes to show how bad he was as a face, that was dire. I think him as a face worked when you had him interacting with Marko and Fuego because, well, they are friends. It was easy to buy, and he worked as someone who was buddies with these guys that got taken for granted. So, naturally, Marko disappeared and Fuego hardly interacted with Sammy onscreen for ages. They also had him stay out of the Inner Circle breakdown which was fine, it made sense, but then they immediately thrust him into the Lambert feud. I feel kinda bad for Scorpio on this. He's pretty much by default the shittiest TNT champion of all time now. I cannot remember if he ever successfully defended the title or not, and him being like the 5th or 6th wheel in the Lambert/Sammy feud didn't do him any favors. I get that Scorpio is already more or less "made", and didn't strictly need to have a good reign, but it should have at least been something more than this. Scorpio did defend successfully against Wardlow thanks to MJF.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 16, 2022 21:59:56 GMT -5
I also cannot say I like Tay being reduced to “ Sammy GF.” She has so much more potential than that.
Let her wrestle.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 16, 2022 22:02:01 GMT -5
I could buy Ethan and Sky as babyfaces. But not as long as they pal around with Lambert. Lambert’s entire character is basically “gross old misogynist who represents ieverything wrong with the world.” He needs to go away for this to work. Not sure where PVZ would fit in? You can always redeem a character and turn them around to have a different narrative in wrestling, like how many times have we seen total irredeemable heel shit, and the wrestlers have face runs later? It can work.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 16, 2022 22:02:42 GMT -5
He's pretty much by default the shittiest TNT champion of all time now. I'm kind of split between him and Brodie. Scorpio didn't really do anything as champion but I'm not sure if that's better or worse than how Brodie won the title super decisively then spent most of his reign having his stable get stomped every week, though at least the match he lost it in was a classic even before it wound up being his last match. People also always forget that banger he had with Dustin for the belt, they killed it.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 16, 2022 22:03:45 GMT -5
I'm kind of split between him and Brodie. Scorpio didn't really do anything as champion but I'm not sure if that's better or worse than how Brodie won the title super decisively then spent most of his reign having his stable get stomped every week, though at least the match he lost it in was a classic even before it wound up being his last match. People also always forget that banger he had with Dustin for the belt, they killed it. The only thing I remember about that match is that it happened but honestly I'm like 20 years removed from having any use for Dustin.
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Post by Fade on Apr 16, 2022 22:05:46 GMT -5
This is just a straight up heel promo: Good lord, f***ing finally. Man, I still really don't get the vitriol people have for Sammy and Tay. Nothing they do bothers me in the slightest. Guess I've never been that person who gets annoyed at overly romantic antics. They just come across as cocky faces paying back heels. I do think though that they really need to distance Sammy from the TNT title. Wouldn't mind a Darby run, or anyone really. 6 championship reigns have been between two people so far. Not great. For me, and I know this is going to sound so woo and unscientific, I felt like their energies were just off-synch in a way that drew attention to the uncomfortable elements. Like, Britt Baker and Adam Cole going full PDA worked for me, because they seemed to embrace that they were a villain couple and that they were going to carry that vibe together. It sometimes felt like Sammy and Tay were being extra but in ways that were subtly off from one another, and when piled onto bad material, it just got grating. Yeah. There was a weird on-screen disconnect. If anything, now Tay’s gotta match her game to how much of a douche Sammy will be lol. Which I think she’s got. She’s already shown glimpses of it. The amount of people who said the TNT Title is now "Useless and dead" on Twitter under the AND NEW for Sammy and Tay is giving me a f***ing headache So many people scream about shorter title reigns, and then they start getting some, and a belt is decreed dead and meaningless, it's really cool when you can never win no matter what you do. In any case I feel like Cody's indecision kinda f***ed with things for a bit, but this is probably where things have gotten back on track the most, people have also wanted a feud surrounding the TNT Title and this is definitely that, with the right decisions being made for the crowd reaction I also feel like Sammy's second reign is being overlooked a ton here, like those matches with Darby and Andrade alone were complete bangers, twitter hot takes are annoying sometimes lol I don’t know wtf twitter is saying but the problems with the TNT title began before Cody. Sammy’s in ring ability has never been a problem (unless we’re talking psychology, which is fair). Sammy, and the TNT title were in the background during a lot of the IC/Pinnacle feud. Sammy showed little to no character development. Then Cody beats him. Then interim nonsense. Then Sammy gets it back. Then Scorpio Sky. Then all this MOTY/Tay/Sammy nonsense. Compare all that to the Miro stuff, Darbys reign, Cody’s reign, the Brodie/Cody stuff and the TNT title went from feeling as if it was near the heavyweight title in importance to a lower-tier belt. It came off how others use to describe the Intercontinental in importance, to a level more similar to the modern intercontinental belt. This is a fresh start. It feels like a course-correction. They could develop or change MOTY from here and Sammy being a cocky, annoying heel champ has legs for days. This could also help put a lot of shine on the current AEW face landscape.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 16, 2022 22:07:22 GMT -5
I’d say both Sammy and Scorpio got shoved a bit to the background during their reigns.
That’s more on the booking than them personally imo.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 16, 2022 22:08:37 GMT -5
The amount of people who said the TNT Title is now "Useless and dead" on Twitter under the AND NEW for Sammy and Tay is giving me a f***ing headache So many people scream about shorter title reigns, and then they start getting some, and a belt is decreed dead and meaningless, it's really cool when you can never win no matter what you do. In any case I feel like Cody's indecision kinda f***ed with things for a bit, but this is probably where things have gotten back on track the most, people have also wanted a feud surrounding the TNT Title and this is definitely that, with the right decisions being made for the crowd reaction I also feel like Sammy's second reign is being overlooked a ton here, like those matches with Darby and Andrade alone were complete bangers, twitter hot takes are annoying sometimes lol I don’t know wtf twitter is saying but the problems with the TNT title began before Cody. Sammy’s in ring ability has never been a problem (unless we’re talking psychology, which is fair). Sammy, and the TNT title was in the background during a lot of the IC/Pinnacle feud. Sammy showed little to no character development. Then Cody beats him. Then interim nonsense. Then Sammy gets it back. Then Scorpio Sky. Then all this MOTY/Tay/Sammy nonsense. Compare all that to the Miro stuff, Darbys reign, Cody’s reign, the Brodie/Cody stuff and the TNT title went from feeling as if it was near the heavyweight title in importance to a lower-tier belt. It came off how others use to describe the Intercontinental in importance, to a level more similar to the modern intercontinental belt. This is a fresh start. It feels like a course-correction. They could develop or change MOTY from here and Sammy being a cocky, annoying heel champ has legs for days. This could also help put a lot of shine on the current AEW face landscape. The TNT Title even now is like a mountain higher in prestige than how the modern IC title is now in WWE. That shit is such an afterthought and Ricochet is treated like a jobber who constantly loses as he carries it. I would still call the TNT Title an upper tier belt, quick title reigns don't change that, but I wanna see where it goes from here, I think Ethan or Miro are the prime contenders to get it back.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Apr 16, 2022 22:09:07 GMT -5
I could buy Ethan and Sky as babyfaces. But not as long as they pal around with Lambert. Lambert’s entire character is basically “gross old misogynist who represents ieverything wrong with the world.” He needs to go away for this to work. Not sure where PVZ would fit in? You can always redeem a character and turn them around to have a different narrative in wrestling, like how many times have we seen total irredeemable heel shit, and the wrestlers have face runs later? It can work. I agree a lot in Dan Lambert's case because real life Dan Lambert sounds like an absolutely wonderful dude. He literally gave Cody the WWWF title that Dusty held up in That photo for no reason other than he thought he should have it instead of him.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Apr 16, 2022 22:09:54 GMT -5
I could buy Ethan and Sky as babyfaces. But not as long as they pal around with Lambert. Lambert’s entire character is basically “gross old misogynist who represents ieverything wrong with the world.” He needs to go away for this to work. Not sure where PVZ would fit in? PVZ's getting face pops, and didn't get involved in this match, till Tay put hands on Scorpio. PVZ went right after Tay. She sticks with Sky and Page, to get revenge on Tay.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 16, 2022 22:10:18 GMT -5
Lambert needs a HARD character reset at least.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 16, 2022 22:11:21 GMT -5
Well anyone better than Scorpio Sky
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 16, 2022 22:13:48 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I somehow forgot the Wardlow defense. That's something at least, even if it got handed to him. Surprised they didn't have him grant Fuego a title match to mock Sammy and maim Fuego. That'd have been some effective heeling. He's pretty much by default the shittiest TNT champion of all time now. I'm kind of split between him and Brodie. Scorpio didn't really do anything as champion but I'm not sure if that's better or worse than how Brodie won the title super decisively then spent most of his reign having his stable get stomped every week, though at least the match he lost it in was a classic even before it wound up being his last match. Strong win, strong loss, at least, plus defenses against Dustin and Orange. It's not as strong as a number of the others, but I feel like that helps its ranking, giving some highlights.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 16, 2022 22:14:12 GMT -5
Lambert needs a HARD character reset at least. I think it's pretty simple as "I said some shit to try and get people to hate me, try and get others to hate me, and now as I sit here and reflect, and see people like Tay and Sammy and how they act, I realize, I need to be more like myself and stop projecting to try and get a reaction, with an outdated model, and focus on the problem at hand, and that's you two!" Or something like that, Lambert's good enough on the mic to make this work.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 16, 2022 22:14:20 GMT -5
I feel like I've spent more time than not not particularly caring about the TNT title. I'd say the high point of it was the period when Darby could actually be assed to defend it but be it Cody's runs, Sammy's runs, the first half of Darby's run when he forgot he owned it, Scorpio, there've been a lot of periods where I've been very, "Just hurry up and get it on someone more interesting."
I'm mixed on Miro. He was awesome as a character during that whole period but I feel like the reign itself was largely lackluster and it ended very abruptly.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 16, 2022 22:15:46 GMT -5
I think in terms of TNT Title runs, Sammmy's 1st one was pretty meh as he didn't have many top challengers and was often in the background. His 2nd run was great. Started strong with Dustin/Cody and then had great title matches with Darby, Andrade, and then Darby/Andrade. I think the jury is out on this title switch because there is clearly a lot of storytelling to go.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Apr 16, 2022 22:15:52 GMT -5
Lambert needs a HARD character reset at least. They could be doing that with the promo backstage. He didn't say anything misogynistic, all he did was talk about how he's gonna get Sky his rematch, and that Sky was gonna get his title back. Lambert before had worn the TNT title, in this promo he said the TNT title was Sky's.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2022 22:17:36 GMT -5
I think Lambert just needs to go, at this point. For as much as he plays what is theoretically the perfect AEW heel, I think he might be demonstrating that there's more to being a good heel than just saying stuff calculated to piss off the audience, because he has demonstrably failed to get any babyface over. Frankly, I hate to say this, because I absolutely love Dan Lambert, but at this point, I agree. But not because of your reason specifically. It's more of "what is the goal of having Dan Lambert?" There might actually be a subset of fans (myself, obviously) who will cheer for him unironically, and on top of that, who on the roster would be capable of actually getting a pop against him because they're facing Lambert's crew?
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