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Post by chazraps on Apr 27, 2022 18:49:39 GMT -5
Honestly? If this dude was really any good then he would've turned up elsewhere sometime between 2008 and now. He got an unfair shake of things, but that promo was rough and I can't imagine he would've found too much success I really don't think that's fair to say at all. This was when WWE was an absolute monopoly and the indys had much, much, much fewer sustainable paths than they would even five years later.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 27, 2022 18:51:01 GMT -5
That's not at all Vansen's story on it. This is from a book on British Wrestling from years back: And it only ran for a week. I'm not saying Hunter couldn't have gotten involved but that is a completely different story. I don't know if Freddie is misremembering things or mixing up some events with others, but yeah, only one Hade Vansen promo ever aired. And it only aired one time, during Smackdown. They didn't air promos for 3 weeks. It was literally one time. I think Freddie meant that they recorded three promos that were set to air for three weeks, and were in the process of recording more, but only one actually aired.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Apr 27, 2022 18:56:04 GMT -5
Honestly? If this dude was really any good then he would've turned up elsewhere sometime between 2008 and now. He got an unfair shake of things, but that promo was rough and I can't imagine he would've found too much success I don't think it was so much that he wasn't good enough to have shown up anywhere else, he was so disillusioned that he quit the industry pretty much immediately after getting shitcanned.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 27, 2022 18:56:41 GMT -5
Honestly? If this dude was really any good then he would've turned up elsewhere sometime between 2008 and now. He got an unfair shake of things, but that promo was rough and I can't imagine he would've found too much success I really don't think that's fair to say at all. This was when WWE was an absolute monopoly and the indys had much, much, much fewer sustainable paths than they would even five years later. Also he had in the past done some stuff on the UK indies for a few years. This was also years before the UK indie boom, and frankly there's no greater way to get demoralized than to finally 'make it' and not even see a ring for a TV match before you get yuour angle dropped and your contract cut entirely mere weeks later; if your goal was to make it to WWE and the indies are no money then what point in grinding is there? TNA at their most desperate weren't going to fawn over a dude for one promo and a cut storyline. Dude didn't need to be amazing, but that? That's raw. Also the whole 'he was cut weeks later' thing is kind of getting lost in the "he shouldn't have been Taker's son, Hunter was right" comments. That comment didn't just kill off one angle and make them go back to the drawing board. He didn't spend a while keeping going or have some test matches and failed to impress. Dude had the whole program cut off and, likely because Vince had internalized the comment entirely now like people often say he does about stuff, decided he looked like shit and cut him from his contract fully. That comment didn't kill a push, it killed a whole career.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Apr 27, 2022 19:26:32 GMT -5
Not like Brock Lesnar, who’s a physical freak of nature, has sold his ass off for smaller guys repeatedly before and it’s been awesome either. My favorite Triple H story is when he said that it would “not be believable” for a guy like Kurt Angle to take him in a fight. And one of the old timers (It might have been Pat Patterson or Gerald Briscoe) said essentially “oh, then go try and shoot take him and see how that goes for you.” And Hunter sat down and shut up agates that. You know the Triple H/Angle feud in 2000 had such a damp squib of an ending? Because according to Kurt Angle, Triple H didn't think it was believable for his character to have Stephanie betray him for Angle. Translation: Triple H didn’t like that Angle had better sexual chemistry with Steph than him and got jealous.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2022 21:05:46 GMT -5
You know the Triple H/Angle feud in 2000 had such a damp squib of an ending? Because according to Kurt Angle, Triple H didn't think it was believable for his character to have Stephanie betray him for Angle. Translation: Triple H didn’t like that Angle had better sexual chemistry with Steph than him and got jealous. If I'm not mistaken, Jericho pitched the idea of Steph having an affair with him leading up to WM X8 and HHH shot the idea down for the same reason.
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Post by Jacy Jayne Atomic Dog AMV on Apr 27, 2022 22:19:48 GMT -5
I saw the Smackdown that this was on and thought it was a commercial for something staring one of the dudes in Heroes
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Apr 27, 2022 22:50:45 GMT -5
Translation: Triple H didn’t like that Angle had better sexual chemistry with Steph than him and got jealous. If I'm not mistaken, Jericho pitched the idea of Steph having an affair with him leading up to WM X8 and HHH shot the idea down for the same reason. I wonder what he would have done if the Vince / Stephanie incest angle went forward.
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 27, 2022 23:08:05 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, Jericho pitched the idea of Steph having an affair with him leading up to WM X8 and HHH shot the idea down for the same reason. I wonder what he would have done if the Vince / Stephanie incest angle went forward. Ignore it and hoped it went away.
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Post by Rave on Apr 27, 2022 23:22:06 GMT -5
I guess I’m the only one thinking that sounds like shit and am glad Hunter prevented it? It does but as other mentioned, feels unfair to the guy to throw him under the bus like that. And Hade's career basically never recovered, especially coming at a time when British Wrestling wasn't that long before a renaissance of some kind he basically had no part of. Vansen yeeted himself out of wrestling after getting fired. Dude went to Hollywood and has been getting bit parts in stuff since then. Even started doing voice work this year, according to IMDb.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Apr 27, 2022 23:28:05 GMT -5
Translation: Triple H didn’t like that Angle had better sexual chemistry with Steph than him and got jealous. If I'm not mistaken, Jericho pitched the idea of Steph having an affair with him leading up to WM X8 and HHH shot the idea down for the same reason. Not surprising. Steph and Jericho had insane chemistry with one another.
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Post by Mecca on Apr 27, 2022 23:47:27 GMT -5
Translation: Triple H didn’t like that Angle had better sexual chemistry with Steph than him and got jealous. If I'm not mistaken, Jericho pitched the idea of Steph having an affair with him leading up to WM X8 and HHH shot the idea down for the same reason. H vetoed or put up huge fights to anything that would make his character look vunerable for a very long time. He was a super insecure guy for most of his run on top and it showed.
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Post by Perd on Apr 28, 2022 0:16:10 GMT -5
It warms my heart to think that Sarah Michelle Gellar probably knows who Hade Vansen is.
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Post by Mecca on Apr 28, 2022 0:27:33 GMT -5
It warms my heart to think that Sarah Michelle Gellar probably knows who Hade Vansen is. It's more funny that she has probably heard the phrase, f***in Triple H man.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 28, 2022 1:38:00 GMT -5
Honestly? If this dude was really any good then he would've turned up elsewhere sometime between 2008 and now. He got an unfair shake of things, but that promo was rough and I can't imagine he would've found too much success This is nonsense. The wrestling industry is not a meritocracy
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 28, 2022 2:04:30 GMT -5
Honestly? If this dude was really any good then he would've turned up elsewhere sometime between 2008 and now. He got an unfair shake of things, but that promo was rough and I can't imagine he would've found too much success This is nonsense. The wrestling industry is not a meritocracy It definitely isn't. But equally what we've got here to go off is one awful promo, a look that would rival the most generic CAW imaginable and a post-WWE career that involved him immediaty quitting the business and the entertainment industry for the most part. There's not a ton of evidence that they missed on a potential superstar. I get HHH was a dick about it, but had they gone ahead with this plan, everyone would've been shitting on it and asking why the hell this guy is on TV.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 28, 2022 2:13:07 GMT -5
This is nonsense. The wrestling industry is not a meritocracy It definitely isn't. But equally what we've got here to go off is one awful promo, a look that would rival the most generic CAW imaginable and a post-WWE career that involved him immediaty quitting the business and the entertainment industry for the most part. There's not a ton of evidence that they missed on a potential superstar. I get HHH was a dick about it, but had they gone ahead with this plan, everyone would've been shitting on it and asking why the hell this guy is on TV. Most people aren't defending the angle. I know I'm not, I never saw it. Hunter killing someone's career with one sentence is an astounding dick move regardless, and what Vansen did in the industry afterwards really isn't relevant to that, nor does it mean Hunter was correct about anything
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Post by eJm on Apr 28, 2022 3:00:29 GMT -5
It definitely isn't. But equally what we've got here to go off is one awful promo, a look that would rival the most generic CAW imaginable and a post-WWE career that involved him immediaty quitting the business and the entertainment industry for the most part. There's not a ton of evidence that they missed on a potential superstar. I get HHH was a dick about it, but had they gone ahead with this plan, everyone would've been shitting on it and asking why the hell this guy is on TV. Most people aren't defending the angle. I know I'm not, I never saw it. Hunter killing someone's career with one sentence is an astounding dick move regardless, and what Vansen did in the industry afterwards really isn't relevant to that, nor does it mean Hunter was correct about anything Basically all of this, the behavior isn't suddenly justified because Vansen left the industry and didn't stick around. That's just not how that works.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 28, 2022 3:42:20 GMT -5
I feel bad that he lost his job over it but I honestly used to share Triple H's sentiment in that the guy honestly was too small to be feuding with Undertaker. At least with the type of character he was going for. I think Hade was listed at only like 5'10" or 5'11". However after reading Freddie go into more detail about it with Hade being a leader of these monsters who he keeps sicking one by one after Taker I really don't see what the problem is. Hade being the master mind final boss and using his monsters to do the dirty work makes his lack of size and ordinary appearance/build a non issue in that in the context of the story in that he's not supposed to be a physical threat to Taker. The monsters he controls are the physical threat and the point would be Taker having to fight through them to get to Hade. However Hunter was short sighted about it and made the wise ass jab and unfortunately that was enough to make crazy Vince pull the plug immediately.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Apr 28, 2022 5:15:55 GMT -5
I like how Prinze Jr calls Michael Hayes, "Freebird"
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