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Post by eJm on Apr 28, 2022 5:27:03 GMT -5
I feel bad that he lost his job over it but I honestly used to share Triple H's sentiment in that the guy honestly was too small to be feuding with Undertaker. At least with the type of character he was going for. I think Hade was listed at only like 5'10" or 5'11". However after reading Freddie go into more detail about it with Hade being a leader of these monsters who he keeps sicking one by one after Taker I really don't see what the problem is. Hade being the master mind final boss and using his monsters to do the dirty work makes his lack of size and ordinary appearance/build a non issue in that in the context of the story in that he's not supposed to be a physical threat to Taker. The monsters he controls are the physical threat and the point would be Taker having to fight through them to get to Hade. However Hunter was short sighted about it and made the wise ass jab and unfortunately that was enough to make crazy Vince pull the plug immediately. Yeah, like, the general gist of the angle seemed completely fine. And if we're talking about the crediblity of people of a shorter stature being charismatic and influential enough to lead bigger goons to face an enemy, there's a reason we have "Napoleon Complex" and not "Shaquille O'Neal Complex".
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 28, 2022 5:37:54 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, Jericho pitched the idea of Steph having an affair with him leading up to WM X8 and HHH shot the idea down for the same reason. H vetoed or put up huge fights to anything that would make his character look vunerable for a very long time. He was a super insecure guy for most of his run on top and it showed. As outlandish as it sounds, I 100% believe the story of him asking not to have video game screenshots of him looking vulnerable. 2000s HHH was the ultimate in small dick energy lol.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Apr 28, 2022 5:45:29 GMT -5
One among the many reasons I wont ever buy the "Papa H" persona,dude is a politician and is as honest as a 3 dollar Bill That's why I've never gotten into the Papa H thing. Seems like people have forgotten a lot about Triple H's past these last several years when he was in charge of NXT. The selective memory has gotten even worse these last few weeks since he announced his retirement. He was an insecure douchebag that got in bed (literally) with the right person and also had the ear of the chairman who oh, by the way is also his father-in-law. He kept his spot by crushing everyone with his backstage political power and pull with the McMahon family and stayed on top for decades by doing so. I agree with Bret, 4/10.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Apr 28, 2022 5:53:27 GMT -5
Yeah, Hunter, completely unbelievable for a smaller guy to compete with Taker. Nobody could have believable matches with Undertaker, right Trips? Definitely not your best friend, Shawn, especially. Not like Brock Lesnar, who’s a physical freak of nature, has sold his ass off for smaller guys repeatedly before and it’s been awesome either. My favorite Triple H story is when he said that it would “not be believable” for a guy like Kurt Angle to take him in a fight. And one of the old timers (It might have been Pat Patterson or Gerald Briscoe) said essentially “oh, then go try and shoot take him and see how that goes for you.” And Hunter sat down and shut up agates that. I've heard this story on a few different podcasts. It was Gerald Briscoe, who himself was a very well respected shooter that told Triple H regarding Angle not being big enough or believable that Angle could take Triple H "you think you can take him? Give it a shot, Big Boy." Triple H had no response.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 28, 2022 5:54:49 GMT -5
Also Vince is pathetic for being so swayed by a joke from his insecure son-in-law.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Apr 28, 2022 6:03:31 GMT -5
“He looks like he cuts my grass, man!” is such a stupid excuse not to push someone. We had a guy that used to mow our lawn when he was in high school that ended up in the NFL. Shit, Landscaper Hade Vansen would have totally been a thing in the 80s. Landscaper Psychosis, Landscaper Super Crazy and Landscaper Juvi had just existed in WWE 2 years prior to this. 🧐
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Apr 28, 2022 6:13:35 GMT -5
The amount of crap Undertaker has been involved in over the years could fill multiple threads. We could all literally go on and on about that topic for days. What made this particular bunch of crap any worse? It might have sucked, it might have gone down in the the annals of Wrestle Crap. But what difference would it have made? Undertaker was involved in SO MUCH crap. By 2008/2009 Undertaker was MADE. Nothing could have hurt him. His legacy had long been set in stone as one of the all time greats. Another lame ass feud wasn't gonna hurt him.
Add me to the list of people that was very intrigued by the one and only vignette and was hoping to see more.
On a side note, how big of a reaction do you think Hade Vansen would get if he appeared at a Spring Break or PROGRESS show?
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 28, 2022 6:26:11 GMT -5
H vetoed or put up huge fights to anything that would make his character look vunerable for a very long time. He was a super insecure guy for most of his run on top and it showed. As outlandish as it sounds, I 100% believe the story of him asking not to have video game screenshots of him looking vulnerable. 2000s HHH was the ultimate in small dick energy lol. Anecdotal, but when they story broke, I went to me video game magazines, used to hoard them a bit and... Yeah, there were 0 shots of HHH being beaten up, he was performing moves, other top wrestlers were seen taking them but... One among the many reasons I wont ever buy the "Papa H" persona,dude is a politician and is as honest as a 3 dollar Bill That's why I've never gotten into the Papa H thing. Seems like people have forgotten a lot about Triple H's past these last several years when he was in charge of NXT. The selective memory has gotten even worse these last few weeks since he announced his retirement. He was an insecure douchebag that got in bed (literally) with the right person and also had the ear of the chairman who oh, by the way is also his father-in-law. He kept his spot by crushing everyone with his backstage political power and pull with the McMahon family and stayed on top for decades by doing so. I agree with Bret, 4/10. Oh I never bought that he changed, just that now his skills and ego were being used differently. As an active performer, to look best he had to pull others down and be dominant. As the head of promotion, to look best he has to build up other talent so people can say what a good job he's doing and the overall product is good. Both are trying to look like the best to others, it's just one involves actively helping other people, so he'll do that.
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Post by eJm on Apr 28, 2022 6:35:15 GMT -5
Anecdotal, but when they story broke, I went to me video game magazines, used to hoard them a bit and... Yeah, there were 0 shots of HHH being beaten up, he was performing moves, other top wrestlers were seen taking them but... It lead to an infamous issue of GamesMaster in the UK where they previewed one of the Smackdown vs. Raw games and on the top was something saying that WWE asked them not to have HHH beaten up so their response was to have every shot with HHH being bloody or having moves hit on him.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 28, 2022 6:39:10 GMT -5
Anecdotal, but when they story broke, I went to me video game magazines, used to hoard them a bit and... Yeah, there were 0 shots of HHH being beaten up, he was performing moves, other top wrestlers were seen taking them but... It lead to an infamous issue of GamesMaster in the UK where they previewed one of the Smackdown vs. Raw games and on the top was something saying that WWE asked them not to have HHH beaten up so their response was to have every shot with HHH being bloody or having moves hit on him. That might actually have been where I first saw it, loved the magazine and show.
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Post by eJm on Apr 28, 2022 6:41:11 GMT -5
It lead to an infamous issue of GamesMaster in the UK where they previewed one of the Smackdown vs. Raw games and on the top was something saying that WWE asked them not to have HHH beaten up so their response was to have every shot with HHH being bloody or having moves hit on him. That might actually have been where I first saw it, loved the magazine and show. I'm trying to find it and I'm sad I can't because I remember it as clear as day in my head.
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Post by canceled4truth on Apr 28, 2022 6:45:41 GMT -5
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 28, 2022 6:46:33 GMT -5
That might actually have been where I first saw it, loved the magazine and show. I'm trying to find it and I'm sad I can't because I remember it as clear as day in my head. Depressing thinking how long ago it was.
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Post by eJm on Apr 28, 2022 6:51:07 GMT -5
Again, hindsight and what happened afterwards have nothing to do with the incident itself and what happened at the time. And what happened by this account is bull. Like, if Hade was fired, went onto be the biggest star in British wrestling, got signed to Impact and became world champion then got signed back to WWE and headlined WrestleMania, it'd still be bull.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 28, 2022 7:44:46 GMT -5
I love how almost all of Freddy's stories are basically "we put a lot of work into this and then Triple H was a dick about it so it got thrown out"
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Post by Feyrhausen on Apr 28, 2022 8:13:07 GMT -5
I love how almost all of Freddy's stories are basically "we put a lot of work into this and then Triple H was a dick about it so it got thrown out" I find it interesting how Freddie, who seems like a nice guy and a creative person had his ideas shit on by H. While who is the Hollywood guy who H said he thinks gets it? Max Landis.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 28, 2022 8:21:37 GMT -5
I love how almost all of Freddy's stories are basically "we put a lot of work into this and then Triple H was a dick about it so it got thrown out" I find it interesting how Freddie, who seems like a nice guy and a creative person had his ideas shit on by H. While who is the Hollywood guy who H said he thinks gets it? Max Landis. Well Max made a whole video purely about H's character.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Apr 28, 2022 8:45:22 GMT -5
Honestly? If this dude was really any good then he would've turned up elsewhere sometime between 2008 and now. He got an unfair shake of things, but that promo was rough and I can't imagine he would've found too much success I don't think it was so much that he wasn't good enough to have shown up anywhere else, he was so disillusioned that he quit the industry pretty much immediately after getting shitcanned. Yeah he travelled home for Christmas, got a call that the storyline and gimmick was getting canned and then got fired a week later. I don't blame the poor bastard for just bouncing from the industry entirely.
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Post by canceled4truth on Apr 28, 2022 8:48:10 GMT -5
Again, hindsight and what happened afterwards have nothing to do with the incident itself and what happened at the time. And what happened by this account is bull. Like, if Hade was fired, went onto be the biggest star in British wrestling, got signed to Impact and became world champion then got signed back to WWE and headlined WrestleMania, it'd still be bull. No, I think it made sense at the time, too. HBK/Taker is a much better idea on paper than Taker vs some dude 6 months off his debut. Triple H was being an ass about it but I think it was pretty easily the right call at the time and in hindsight.
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Post by eJm on Apr 28, 2022 8:53:45 GMT -5
Again, hindsight and what happened afterwards have nothing to do with the incident itself and what happened at the time. And what happened by this account is bull. Like, if Hade was fired, went onto be the biggest star in British wrestling, got signed to Impact and became world champion then got signed back to WWE and headlined WrestleMania, it'd still be bull. No, I think it made sense at the time, too. HBK/Taker is a much better idea on paper than Taker vs some dude 6 months off his debut. Triple H was being an ass about it but I think it was pretty easily the right call at the time and in hindsight. He’s still an ass. It doesn’t matter if it made sense in hindsight or at the time. It’s entirely besides the point.
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