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Post by Dub H on May 5, 2022 13:09:41 GMT -5
Julia seems like the breakout star of the group honestly
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Post by Dave the Dave on May 5, 2022 13:33:24 GMT -5
I don’t know, but I’d rather watch at least 5 other teams be on tv over them
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Post by Burst on May 5, 2022 13:35:44 GMT -5
The more I think about it, other than lingering prominence from the Daily's Place shows, I'm really not sure how they've stayed where they are on the card and in terms of TV time without someone going like "You know, maybe these guys should be hanging with QT or something a little more..."
Feel like it wasn't as noticeable at the Daily's Place shows, but the combo of crowds back plus the influx of talent over the last year has definitely not been kind to them.
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Post by Georgina's Fancy Water on May 5, 2022 14:57:59 GMT -5
HARBAUGH
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 5, 2022 15:50:39 GMT -5
Problem is they never do anything with them. They've been a team like two years now and booking wise haven't progressed in any way. They are really just a victim of how of they book the tag division in how clear cut the hierarchy the is. They have elevated Jurassic Express but other then them it's basically you have the established team with the Young Bucks, FTR, and now Red Dragon who can only really beat each other and the other teams like Varsity Blondes, Butcher and Blade, and Private Party who can NEVER get a win over those established teams and as a result just spin their wheels year in and year out. In a way it's good in that it establishes hierarchy and avoids 50/50 booking but at the same time it makes getting into the matches extremely difficult because the result is never in doubt. I know Butcher and Blade are never going to beat the Young Bucks. I know the Varsity Blondes are never going to go over on FTR. So why should I care? I think they could book an upset at least every once in a while just to give fans some doubt in these matches.
Also as much as I hate WWE and their strange fetish of constantly breaking up every team not names Uso or New Day, with some of these midcard teams in AEW who've been together two or three years now and haven't done squat maybe splitting them wouldn't be the worst idea in that maybe one of them or a few of them can catch a fire as a singles. It would at least be more interesting then them perpetually doing nothing in the tag division.
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Post by sportatorium on May 5, 2022 15:53:15 GMT -5
The team as they currently stand are simply not over. Someone was right in that if Julia turned on them & helped HoB beat them down, it would have been a huge babyface pop for her. This is where house shows can really help. Hoping that ROH can help these guys once it rounds into form.
They kinda remind me of a jobber tag team that would have been on WCW Saturday night before the Monday night wars started. I know they are pulling from the Hollywood Blondes a bit, but these two would have been the team they would have destroyed.
Both seem like good people and Pillman deserves some good things in life, here's hoping it eventually works out for them.
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Post by Mecca on May 5, 2022 15:55:26 GMT -5
Problem is they never do anything with them. They've been a team like two years now and booking wise haven't progressed in any way. They are really just a victim of how of they book the tag division in how clear cut the hierarchy the is. They have elevated Jurassic Express but other then them it's basically you have the established team with the Young Bucks, FTR, and now Red Dragon who can only really beat each other and the other teams like Varsity Blondes, Butcher and Blade, and Private Party who can NEVER get a win over those established teams and as a result just spin their wheels year in and year out. In a way it's good in that it establishes hierarchy and avoids 50/50 booking but at the same time it makes getting into the matches extremely difficult because the result is never in doubt. I know Butcher and Blade are never going to beat the Young Bucks. I know the Varsity Blondes are never going to go over on FTR. So why should I care? I think they could book an upset at least every once in a while just to give fans some doubt in these matches. Also as much as I hate WWE and their strange fetish of constantly breaking up every team not names Uso or New Day, with some of these midcard teams in AEW who've been together two or three years now and haven't done squat maybe splitting them wouldn't be the worst idea in that maybe one of them or a few of them can catch a fire as a singles. It would at least be more interesting then them perpetually doing nothing in the tag division. Yea but Pillman is terrible, he's clunky in the ring, he's trying to work his dads style and he shouldn't be. He basically should be a heel brawler that looks like a piece of shit. He just didn't inherit any of the "this guy gets it" about wrestling from his dad.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 5, 2022 15:57:42 GMT -5
I really think they're entirely useless, especially Pillman.
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Post by Viking Hall on May 5, 2022 16:19:02 GMT -5
I really liked Pillman when he came in and wanted him to succeed, the bits I saw of him in MLW looked like he had the potential to be a really good fiery old school babyface but at this point it has to be said that he simply has developed any further.
Whether that's a confidence thing, a booking thing, or a talent thing is hard to tell, but I agree with those who say an excursion to go and find himself would do him the world of good, preferably to somewhere where his Dad doesn't have as much name value honestly.
As for the other two, well they're both young, good looking kids who from the outside looking in both seem to have a fair amount of upside, how you nurture that is another question altogether though. However, as a unit, maybe its time to move on. Should be remembered that they were one of those teams who were thrown together during the dark days of the crowdless pandemic era and have perhaps done well to even last as long as they have, but yeah, it does feel like they could and should be doing other things now.
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Post by Mecca on May 5, 2022 16:22:29 GMT -5
I really liked Pillman when he came in and wanted him to succeed, the bits I saw of him in MLW looked like he had the potential to be a really good fiery old school babyface but at this point it has to be said that he simply has developed any further. Whether that's a confidence thing, a booking thing, or a talent thing is hard to tell, but I agree with those who say an excursion to go and find himself would do him the world of good, preferably to somewhere where his Dad doesn't have as much name value honestly. As for the other two, well they're both young, good looking kids who from the outside looking in both seem to have a fair amount of upside, how you nurture that is another question altogether though. However, as a unit, maybe its time to move on. Should be remembered that they were one of those teams who were thrown together during the dark days of the crowdless pandemic era and have perhaps done well to even last as long as they have, but yeah, it does feel like they could and should be doing other things now. He was better in MLW but he was working as a heel. He is just awful at playing face...kinda like how Britt Baker sucked balls as a face.
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Post by salz4life on May 5, 2022 16:33:39 GMT -5
Julia is amazing in her role... especially when you take in consideration she is only 20. I do think it's time for her to turn and I would assume it's coming at DON.
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Post by salz4life on May 5, 2022 16:34:32 GMT -5
I really liked Pillman when he came in and wanted him to succeed, the bits I saw of him in MLW looked like he had the potential to be a really good fiery old school babyface but at this point it has to be said that he simply has developed any further. Whether that's a confidence thing, a booking thing, or a talent thing is hard to tell, but I agree with those who say an excursion to go and find himself would do him the world of good, preferably to somewhere where his Dad doesn't have as much name value honestly. As for the other two, well they're both young, good looking kids who from the outside looking in both seem to have a fair amount of upside, how you nurture that is another question altogether though. However, as a unit, maybe its time to move on. Should be remembered that they were one of those teams who were thrown together during the dark days of the crowdless pandemic era and have perhaps done well to even last as long as they have, but yeah, it does feel like they could and should be doing other things now. He was better in MLW but he was working as a heel. He is just awful at playing face...kinda like how Britt Baker sucked balls as a face. I agree here... I did see a little bit of him in MLW and thought he was fine considering he was fairly new. Looking back, he does seem more comfortable as a heel.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on May 5, 2022 16:46:19 GMT -5
Outside of Janela actually injuring people, I really can't think of a single upside either of them have over any of the guys whose contracts just ran out.
Get what you can out of them putting people over on the web shows, and unless either of them shows a marked improvement, call it a day once their deals lapse. Nobody can argue with a straight face that talent as performers is why they're being used more than somebody like Sonny Kiss.
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Post by markymark on May 5, 2022 17:02:39 GMT -5
I really liked Pillman when he came in and wanted him to succeed, the bits I saw of him in MLW looked like he had the potential to be a really good fiery old school babyface but at this point it has to be said that he simply has developed any further. Whether that's a confidence thing, a booking thing, or a talent thing is hard to tell, but I agree with those who say an excursion to go and find himself would do him the world of good, preferably to somewhere where his Dad doesn't have as much name value honestly. As for the other two, well they're both young, good looking kids who from the outside looking in both seem to have a fair amount of upside, how you nurture that is another question altogether though. However, as a unit, maybe its time to move on. Should be remembered that they were one of those teams who were thrown together during the dark days of the crowdless pandemic era and have perhaps done well to even last as long as they have, but yeah, it does feel like they could and should be doing other things now. He was better in MLW but he was working as a heel. He is just awful at playing face...kinda like how Britt Baker sucked balls as a face.
Gunn Club were also bland as faces and they have gotten better as heels.
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Post by Mecca on May 5, 2022 17:10:25 GMT -5
Outside of Janela actually injuring people, I really can't think of a single upside either of them have over any of the guys whose contracts just ran out. Get what you can out of them putting people over on the web shows, and unless either of them shows a marked improvement, call it a day once their deals lapse. Nobody can argue with a straight face that talent as performers is why they're being used more than somebody like Sonny Kiss. I think Griff has potential, Pillman is there for his name...I get that they are going the sympathy face angle with him because well that's natural. Someone who’s a better promo than Pillman Jr could do a promo centered around “you all want to feel better about yourselves by giving me a job because you loved my dad and you’re sad that your industry killed him but where were you really when I needed you?” There is sort of a real world dynamic that people probably don’t want to hear about for people who grew up in a bad spot that are now lashing out at the world.
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Post by lavelleuk22 on May 5, 2022 17:19:50 GMT -5
If Pillman had any other surname he'd be jobbing on Dark, release!
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Post by Dub H on May 5, 2022 17:23:05 GMT -5
He was better in MLW but he was working as a heel. He is just awful at playing face...kinda like how Britt Baker sucked balls as a face. Gunn Club were also bland as faces and they have gotten better as heels.
There is a lot of cases in AEW where they see potential and are betting on said potential. I always thought Gunn Club showed some promised so i`m glad they are showing it. I think both man in the Varsity Blond have some talent you could polish but especially for Pillman, it is rough.
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Post by Blade on May 5, 2022 19:05:47 GMT -5
It would do AEW a world of good if someone was actually booking real feuds for undercard men/women/teams. Part of the problem with the HBs is there is no reason to get behind them because they only show up to lose. Like, Pillman actually managed to get the crowd to pop a bit with his roaring how enthusiastic he felt - and then he dies to two moves, looking like even more of a chump than he did in the actual matches against House of Black.
Dark Order stays moderately over due to a combination of factors that other jobber faces don't have. An actual feud between the Blondes and Private Party would have been better for them than anything either have done in the last year.
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Post by Chiral on May 5, 2022 19:07:56 GMT -5
Send em to ROH, they don't need to have 1/4th as much Dynamite time as they've gotten the last year.
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Post by chrom on May 5, 2022 19:32:19 GMT -5
Getting buried and made to look like a complete failure against MJF did Brian zero favors and since then it's been all downhill from there.
Let New Japan have him for a year or so, he's damaged goods right now
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