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Post by Burst on May 5, 2022 8:17:41 GMT -5
Even accounting for them being a comparatively young team all around, I can't help but feel like they've dragged down pretty much every program they've been in as of late, whether it was the interim feud with MJF that just kind of died after getting "MID!" over and BPJ just taking an absolute roasting, and now this sort-of feud with House of Black that just... keeps... going even though they keep getting obliterated and Julia keeps not turning.
Honestly I feel like this has kind of hurt Griff the most since he really hasn't actually gotten a ton of ring time seemingly other than to eat beatdowns. BPJ continues to kind of flail both in the ring and on the mic, and Julia continues to sit on the ring steps and pout.
I get the sense that the current dragging is probably an inadvertent consequence of Fenix getting hurt, but he isn't anymore and yet this still doesn't seem like they're ready to hand the feud over all the way to Death Triangle.
Like, if there was an equivalent of sending them back to AAA (okay I guess there is, but in the baseball sense, bear with me), they need... something. The high school jock-and-cheerleader gimmick is simple enough that the gimmick's not really the issue for where they are on the card, but they just seem like they've stalled out something fierce for how much they're on TV.
IMO, Julia just needs to jump to House of Black already, Griff could probably go into a different stable (even if it's a lateral move to join, say, the Factory), and Pillman Jr. honestly needs an excursion of sorts with a short leash. Do a talent exchange with New Japan or DDT and see if that helps him both as a person and in the ring/on the mic, just -something-. The easiest thing would be to say just cut him/don't renew him, but BPJ has still managed to hold his own as a 2nd gen wrestler better than the likes of, say, Cody Hall, but he needs like... dojo time or *something*.
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Post by markymark on May 5, 2022 8:37:48 GMT -5
The thing is that if Julia turned heel last night she wouldve been heavily cheered and TK clearly didnt want it to happen so watch them drag Julia heel turn until DON when he costs DT the match
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 8:44:48 GMT -5
The thing is that if Julia turned heel last night she wouldve been heavily cheered and TK clearly didnt want it to happen so watch them drag Julia heel turn until DON when he costs DT the match My issue with that is, she'll be putting the heat on Death Triangle, a group that doesn't have any momentum thanks to various injuries and visa issues, instead of the Varsity Blondes... whom she's still with, technically. I get the idea is that you'd rather put emphasis on the people that "matter", and right now, the Blondes do not matter whatsoever, but that's more of a failure on booking. Griff Garrison has been completely wasted by being treated as exclusively as the babyface in peril and is not allowed to have anything as far as breakout performances, and Brian Jr. has been a huge dud. As far as what I would do... I would just cut my losses at this point. I get the issue was that people would cheer, but... so what? You've been slow cooking this thing in the background for months, and if an audience responds differently than how you wanted it, that's more on the live crowd.
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 5, 2022 8:52:45 GMT -5
I think DDT has a tag tournament coming up this summer send them on excursion if you want them as a team. They need seasoning in the ring (and I actually agree with what Meltzer said a few weeks ago that I think Pillman lost confidence in the ring when he slipped on the ropes months ago)
Also just keep Pillman away from a mic.
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Post by nihilismizhawt on May 5, 2022 8:52:58 GMT -5
Pillman Jr has been going through something, and they gave him time to get his life back on track. Personally, I would give them a chance to re-establish themselves.
But if I were booking, I would have them remain babyfaces, but also Pillman Jr wants to learn from Arn Anderson, and teams with Brock. Lee Johnson and Griff Garrison want to prove themselves, as does Julia Hart, so they create a team as well. Julia is dating Lee in real life, you dont mention it, but they might both be comfortable working together. This could all play out on Dark or ROH. Just 4 young people, connected, coach by Arn Anderson. Hell, they could feud with Tully's faction in ROH. Im pretty sure Brian Cage and Brian Pillman Jr are good friends.
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Post by Burst on May 5, 2022 9:14:09 GMT -5
Agreed that something has definitely been eating at BPJ lately; I doubt he's being forced to go on TV if he's not in a great place since AEW hasn't really been that way if you're upfront about dealing with personal things, but I also get the sense he may be doing it to keep from holding the rest of the group back.
Honestly, I like the idea of putting them with Arn and Team Broccoli; just the concept of having a more proper babyface entry-level rookie/developmental/needs-seasoning faction (since you've already got QT's Factory as the heel entry-level faction). I feel like they were headed in that direction with Cody (despite the clumsiness and counter-intuitiveness of the Nightmare Factory being the babyface group), but they've basically already kind of transitioned all that over to Arn and potentially Dustin.
Let them trade matches with the Factory, Tully's faction, and let them cross over some more with NJPW Strong and the LA Dojo guys. Brock and BPJ in particular really need to cross paths with as many different styles as they can at the moment.
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Post by johncasey on May 5, 2022 9:54:19 GMT -5
2 Jocks and a Cheerleader, they should have been heels from the start.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on May 5, 2022 10:10:48 GMT -5
I think the VB still has a place in the tag division, but I would like to see more singles work out of Griff. I think with more seasoning he could be a break-out performer in the near future.
Pillman still needs a lot of work IMO. The way he carries himself in the ring reminds me of CM Punk, but lacking any psychology. Like he isn't as nimble as he should be to do the moves he attempts.
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Post by champchumpchange on May 5, 2022 10:36:57 GMT -5
Get rid of them - or banish them to the internet shows.
They are nowhere near as talented as MANY people on the roster who don't get as many opportunities to shine.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on May 5, 2022 10:40:32 GMT -5
Griff Garrison has a tremendous upside. I'd keep him around and let him develop. Pillman...I just don't see anything in him, outside his name. I hate saying that.
Julia...put her with House of Black already.
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Post by asuka007 on May 5, 2022 10:54:30 GMT -5
Let Griff do something else.. he had potential.
Just turn Julia heel already.
Brian, IDK?
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Post by Mecca on May 5, 2022 11:03:23 GMT -5
They're pretty much a classic example of how having a developmental is useful. They need reps and mic time badly, but not in national TV.
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Post by Instant Classic on May 5, 2022 11:06:54 GMT -5
Move them over to ROH whenever they get tv.
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Post by sunnytaker on May 5, 2022 11:14:04 GMT -5
They're pretty much a classic example of how having a developmental is useful. They need reps and mic time badly, but not in national TV. maybe julia finally turns to join HoB and the blonds head over to the RoH side of things if the developmental plan for roh is how it ends up working out.
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Post by Hypnosis on May 5, 2022 11:15:11 GMT -5
Julia-House of Black Garrison-Nightmare Factory training Pillman Jr.-Excursion
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Post by asuka007 on May 5, 2022 11:21:43 GMT -5
Julia is basically carrying this whole thing now with her acting.
That segment was a misfire on many levels.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 11:53:50 GMT -5
I'd like to see Griff team back up with Marcus Kross and fight noted anime villains Chaos Project. Julia obviously is going to the House of Black.
Pillman I actually really enjoy and I think has a mountain of potential, but goofy mulleted jock just isn't doing him any favors. I think he's about due to transition into his Loose Cannon phase.
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Post by dbrussel on May 5, 2022 12:39:10 GMT -5
Those guys are barely ready for TV
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on May 5, 2022 12:46:07 GMT -5
I tried warning y’all about Pillman during that pseudo push with MJF.
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Post by clifford on May 5, 2022 13:09:16 GMT -5
I know Pillman is more of a 'name' than Griff, but Griff should be more of the focus imo. Even with mediocre promo skills he's still lightyears ahead of Pillman on the mic. Plus he's the better wrestler.
I don't think Pillman is unsalvageable or anything, but they present him as the Shawn when he so obviously the Marty.
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