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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 12, 2022 8:40:49 GMT -5
反社 is the word “hansha” which is the polite euphemism when referring to organized crime in Japan.
That’s him done with wrestling full-stop, I think. He also stated he won’t go back to DDT because of his own issues there.
He’s probably going to have to spend his time running for his life.
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Post by Fundertaker on May 12, 2022 8:42:38 GMT -5
As of yesterday afternoon the vibe I got here was that Kikuchi had basically been screwing with Kota, but that the other higher ups seemed fine with whatever he was doing (e.g. Gedo being fine with him appearing at the JTO show, Kota having lunch with NJPW's president, etc.). Now we're just pushing towards utter chaos, for reasons that are still not abundantly clear. I assume you start dropping Yakuza involvement into the situation (basically saying they’re involved in NJPW or behind it) is full scorched earth. Going by his feed, I believe he's saying they're involved in the more broad sense of the japanese pro-wrestling scene, not just specific to NJPW. If the story catches on the Japanese media (have no idea how it's being handled there if at all), Bushiroad and TV Asahi will have to come forward with something, as they're the two biggest stakeholders of the company and are public traded companies, thus something like breaking the law to this extent is extremely serious. But again, and to his own admission he's only saying some bits of knowledge he says he has, still a lot of stuff to be clarified here.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 12, 2022 8:48:41 GMT -5
I assume you start dropping Yakuza involvement into the situation (basically saying they’re involved in NJPW or behind it) is full scorched earth. Going by his feed, I believe he's saying they're involved in the more broad sense of the japanese pro-wrestling scene, not just specific to NJPW. If the story catches on the Japanese media (have no idea how it's being handled there if at all), Bushiroad and TV Asahi will have to come forward with something, as they're the two biggest stakeholders of the company and are public traded companies, thus something like breaking the law to this extent is extremely serious. But again, and to his own admission he's only saying some bits of knowledge he says he has, still a lot of stuff to be clarified here. So he’s saying all of Puro, not just New Japan? He’d better have something to give to the press because he’s going to need as many backers as he can get.
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Post by Burst on May 12, 2022 8:59:15 GMT -5
On one hand, Ibushi is a pretty damn public figure to have any overt retribution happen to him if he is indeed recklessly calling out Yakuza, on the other hand, I feel like you still don't want to enter "f*** around and find out" territory with them.
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Post by oxbaker on May 12, 2022 9:02:36 GMT -5
I’ll admit straight up that Japanese culture is baffling to me, but if I’m a higher-up in New Japan or its parent company, once a guy has gone rogue with public statements saying executives have been engaging in sexual harassment and then throwing out Yakuza flippantly/recklessly in public posts — whether he’s out-and-out saying organized crime is involved in NJPW or just the industry in general, inviting scrutiny — I’d say we’re past the point of no return.
If this was every something that could be settled by sitting down over a cup of tea or a general ‘sorry, I went off the deep end for a bit, I take back my tweets,’ I imagine it no longer is.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 12, 2022 9:03:45 GMT -5
On one hand, Ibushi is a pretty damn public figure to have any overt retribution happen to him if he is indeed recklessly calling out Yakuza, on the other hand, I feel like you still don't want to enter "f*** around and find out" territory with them. They don’t have as much power as they did considering the mere mention of them folded PRIDE but, they are still around and there are newer organized crime syndicates in Japan that are even more brutal than Yakuza are.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 12, 2022 9:06:54 GMT -5
Ibushi isn’t as prominent a figure as Rikidōzan was when Yakuza killed him.
Just saying.
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Post by Fundertaker on May 12, 2022 9:10:34 GMT -5
Ibushi isn’t as prominent a figure as Rikidōzan was when Yakuza killed him. Just saying. The yakuza also don't act with the same brazen harsh open cruelty they did back then.
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Post by Burst on May 12, 2022 9:11:39 GMT -5
It just reminds me of a conversation I had once upon a time with a classmate who had been a former public defender in New York/New Jersey... just because the mob isn't as prominent or as visibly powerful as they once were, still doesn't mean you want to go out of your way to taunt the obvious wiseguy in front of the spumoni shop.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 9:25:28 GMT -5
You obviously want ALL of your wrestling companies to be on the up and up and have zero shady business dealings, but my God, it'd be wild if NJPW ended up being more dirty and corrupt than the WWE could ever even dream of getting away with.
Also, I have little reason to doubt Ibushi. You don't just start throwing around Yakuza exaggerations willy-nilly, as it tends to be bad for your health. Hope my dude knows what he's doing and is safe.
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Post by AwamoriRock on May 12, 2022 9:28:11 GMT -5
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Post by oxbaker on May 12, 2022 9:32:25 GMT -5
Ibushi isn’t as prominent a figure as Rikidōzan was when Yakuza killed him. Just saying. The yakuza also don't act with the same brazen harsh open cruelty they did back then. Maybe not. So they wouldn’t off him in public and put a ‘courtesy of Yakuza’ sign on his chest. Doesn’t mean an ‘accident’ couldn’t be arranged. Question here is, is it worth betting your life that they won’t do anything? What he’s said may not prompt action but he’s also a loose cannon. If he knows things they don’t want out in public. That’s a different kettle of fish.
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Post by Convoy on May 12, 2022 9:32:56 GMT -5
Ibushi’s flippant worldview used to be a funny thing, but openly noting “antisocial organization” is no laughing matter. I would look at this less as “shockwaves sent through puro” and more as “Ibushi needs to watch his back” going forward. Yakuza are still around, but much quieter over the last decade. Then you have groups that are much louder and more brutal appear in that time.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 9:33:54 GMT -5
f***ing hell this is gonna be dramatic <gets popcorn>
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Post by oxbaker on May 12, 2022 9:35:33 GMT -5
Ibushi’s flippant worldview used to be a funny thing, but openly noting “antisocial organization” is no laughing matter. I would look at this less as “shockwaves sent through puro” and more as “Ibushi needs to watch his back” going forward. Yakuza are still around, but much quieter over the last decade. Then you have groups that are much louder and more brutal appear in that time. Purely speculative, but what if … Yakuza has gone more legit and aren’t involved in NJPW but unbeknownst to Ibushi (or maybe he could have stumbled across it) some other, more brazen organized crime group is involved — do you really want to rock that boat?
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Post by Burst on May 12, 2022 9:37:27 GMT -5
Maybe not. So they wouldn’t off him in public and put a ‘courtesy of Yakuza’ sign on his chest. Doesn’t mean an ‘accident’ couldn’t be arranged. Question here is, is it worth betting your life that they won’t do anything? What he’s said may not prompt action but he’s also a loose cannon. If he knows things they don’t want out in public. That’s a different kettle of fish. This, it's basically playing one hell of a game of chicken that they're not going to do anything... violent. There are plenty of ways they could conceivably make his life miserable that wouldn't need to involve physical harm. Or they wouldn't even necessarily have to go through him directly since a lot of times (especially if the target *is* a public figure to his extent) it's just as effective to go after family or people he cares about, and you could definitely argue he's indirectly putting them at risk too with this.
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Post by Fake Jesus on May 12, 2022 10:29:21 GMT -5
Hard to see Ibushi coming back from this. No one in Japan will touch him, you'd assume, and AEW/Impact value the NJ relationship more than the prestige of having Kota Ibushi work for them - two years ago he could have set the world on fire in NXT, which would have been more than happy to have him, but it's difficult to see where he'd fit in WWE now
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Post by Hypnosis on May 12, 2022 10:56:12 GMT -5
反社 is the word “hansha” which is the polite euphemism when referring to organized crime in Japan. That’s him done with wrestling full-stop, I think. He also stated he won’t go back to DDT because of his own issues there. He’s probably going to have to spend his time running for his life.Disturbingly enough, like in a Yakuza game.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 12, 2022 11:08:58 GMT -5
反社 is the word “hansha” which is the polite euphemism when referring to organized crime in Japan. That’s him done with wrestling full-stop, I think. He also stated he won’t go back to DDT because of his own issues there. He’s probably going to have to spend his time running for his life.Disturbingly enough, like in a Yakuza game. Which featured NJPW superstars.
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Post by oxbaker on May 12, 2022 11:21:51 GMT -5
If this is the Japanese wrestling version of a pro sports athlete in the U.S. demanding a trade … well they take it to another level.
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