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Post by Burst on May 11, 2022 8:49:48 GMT -5
He was cutting f slur laden promos during his 'great' indie heel run right up until his WWE hiring, and while under WWE contract he's appeared on the show of a right wing 'comedian' known primarily for his homophobic 'jokes', yelling pre written talking points at college students and for the organised bullying of a gay journalist. Aj knows full well what he's doing and his supporters know who he is, but he wrestles good, so gets a pass for now. Okay I do stand corrected, I've never felt tremendously strongly about AJ one way or another, so all of that is news to me, albeit in an "unsurprising, but still disappointing" sort of way. Though now that you mention it, I do vaguely remember hearing rumblings about said promos during his post-TNA and NJPW run, and I also remember that being waved off at the time because "oh he's just being a heel/he's just talking like how they expect a gaijin to talk".
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 11, 2022 8:57:04 GMT -5
Bret Hart.
If anyone else's wife accused them of abuse and rape, that's all anyone would talk about.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 11, 2022 9:02:15 GMT -5
I think people overlooked all of Triple H's history when he ran NXT simply because it was a good TV product. I also think the last couple of years also exposed that he really wasn't THAT good of a booker. He overly relied on having the ability to bring in the best talent across the world every year and cycle them out in a year or two. That naturally kept things fresh and when the roster stagnated, so did his booking.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 9:10:28 GMT -5
Oh yeah, fun loving Cowboy Brock was actively awesome, I recommend looking up his segments, he was also fun in promos, looked like a Viking, and dressed like a Lumberjack Legitimately the best and most comfortable Lesnar has looked in years as a character, up until then? Yeah, everyone was sick of the exact same heel act. Lumberjack Brock? That actually sounds... good?
Now I'm scared.
The matches are still mostly meh IMO, but his character work as a face has been OUTSTANDING. It's my favorite version of Brock ever.
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Post by y4j1981 on May 11, 2022 9:26:23 GMT -5
Bret Hart. If anyone else's wife accused them of abuse and rape, that's all anyone would talk about. What's the Bret rape story? Only heard that "Davey Boy Smith raping his wife Diana after doping her drinks" or something like that from Diana Hart
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Post by MC Blowfish on May 11, 2022 9:50:42 GMT -5
Bret Hart. If anyone else's wife accused them of abuse and rape, that's all anyone would talk about. I've never heard that about Bret. Can you elaborate?
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on May 11, 2022 9:56:42 GMT -5
I think people overlooked all of Triple H's history when he ran NXT simply because it was a good TV product. I also think the last couple of years also exposed that he really wasn't THAT good of a booker. He overly relied on having the ability to bring in the best talent across the world every year and cycle them out in a year or two. That naturally kept things fresh and when the roster stagnated, so did his booking. I think that it also helped that it made him a direct counterpoint to Vince. Wrestling fans, especially WWE fans, tend to get attached to a good act more easily when the act appears to have upward momentum. (I attribute a lot of Ryback's initial overness to this - yeah, it was a fun act, but people had faith that the musclehead with a winning streak was more likely to get an actual payoff to his push than, say, Zack Ryder.) The impression that we could wait for Trips to take over WWE gave his booking style a certain shine.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 11, 2022 10:42:43 GMT -5
He has his following on the indy circuit, so...Joey Janela? Despite his rudeness and online outbursts which may or not be in character. Knowing him, I am not sure.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on May 11, 2022 11:28:59 GMT -5
Screwjob is still highly sensationalized for what the circumstances actually were, and in many ways it draws attention away from many of the other problems the industry has. I think it's the reason why WWE enjoy profiting off it, because in the eyes of anyone who isn't a fan, there isn't much of a story there. I don’t think this is true. Radiolab on NPR thought it was worth devoting an episode to. So have various non-wrestling related podcasts. For that matter Wrestling With Shadows would be nowhere near as popular if it hadn’t caught the Screwjob and it’s aftermath.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 11, 2022 11:42:31 GMT -5
Didn't we just have this thread?
My answer is still Randy Savage due to the way he treated Elizabeth and later Gorgeous George. And the Stephanie rumor, true or not (I doubt it is), it has always kinda puzzled me that so many wrestling fans have happily joked about it for 20+ years. I don't get where the humor comes from in some older man potentially preying on an underaged girl. And why do all the stories of him being controlling/a bully always involve women? Did he ever get into a fight or anything with a male wrestler? The closest I can think of is in TNA him and Hogan having some kind of altercation that ended with Savage walking out and complaining about an unsafe work environment.
Even the time he slapped Torrie Wilson for breaking character on camera. It's always looked back on fondly as a funny clip/meme. Today if say Roman Reigns for any reason went off script and slapped Alexa Bliss it would be a massive scandal.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 11, 2022 11:45:20 GMT -5
Bret Hart. If anyone else's wife accused them of abuse and rape, that's all anyone would talk about. What's the Bret rape story? Only heard that "Davey Boy Smith raping his wife Diana after doping her drinks" or something like that from Diana Hart Diana threw out accusations at pretty much everyone in her book, the book that got pulled from stores after a successful lawsuit by Martha Hart
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 11, 2022 12:25:43 GMT -5
Bret Hart. If anyone else's wife accused them of abuse and rape, that's all anyone would talk about. Ric Flair's ex wives say hi then list the shitty things he did to them that fans ignored and caused him to rack up so many exes and colossal alimony payments. 'In the divorce settlement, Elizabeth accused Fliehr of “cruel and barbarous treatment,” which included all of the following: abandoning the family, failing to provide love or affection, slapping her, kicking her, choking her, biting her, pulling her hair, verbal and emotional abuse, demeaning her in public, exposing his genitalia to the parties’ friends, acquaintances, and even complete strangers, excessive use of alcohol and prescription drugs, steroid use and attendant bouts of rage and violence, adultery, exposing the children to his “paramour,” crippling them financially because of his spendthrift ways, starting a fistfight with his son Reid at a wedding reception, taking his son to a strip club and serving him alcohol, opening up wrestling scars in order to appear bloody after he called the police on her, insulting her friends with racial slurs, bragging about the size of his genitalia, calling Beth fat, old, and a slut, accusing her of dressing “sexily” for other men, saying she would be “nothing in this town” without him, demanding sex, and, finally, forcing her to have sex.' grantland.com/features/the-wrestler-real-life/
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Post by chazraps on May 11, 2022 12:31:41 GMT -5
Bret Hart. If anyone else's wife accused them of abuse and rape, that's all anyone would talk about. I can not find absolutely any mention of Bret raping his wife anywhere from any source and I just did a deep dive. Bret's sister Diana Hart's book suggested that Davey Boy and JIM NEIDHART drugged/raped their wives, but didn't include Bret in those allegations. Bret and both of his ex-wives are still on really good terms with him. Like, as in double dating with their current partners and his current wife. So, between that and no real evidence outside of messageboards posts from anonymous strangers (and two stories on a FAN FICTION website - as in literally self-described fan fiction in the title of the page), I really don't think it's fair to call Bret Hart a rapist.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 11, 2022 18:20:28 GMT -5
Bret Hart. If anyone else's wife accused them of abuse and rape, that's all anyone would talk about. I can not find absolutely any mention of Bret raping his wife anywhere from any source and I just did a deep dive. Bret's sister Diana Hart's book suggested that Davey Boy and JIM NEIDHART drugged/raped their wives, but didn't include Bret in those allegations. Bret and both of his ex-wives are still on really good terms with him. Like, as in double dating with their current partners and his current wife. So, between that and no real evidence outside of messageboards posts from anonymous strangers (and two stories on a FAN FICTION website - as in literally self-described fan fiction in the title of the page), I really don't think it's fair to call Bret Hart a rapist. Julie Hart wrote a book years ago, and I don’t remember hearing about any accusations against Bret in that. Well, rape allegations. He obviously was very unfaithful to her, but that’s a whole different story
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Post by Nosnorb on May 12, 2022 6:32:45 GMT -5
I think people overlooked all of Triple H's history when he ran NXT simply because it was a good TV product. I also think the last couple of years also exposed that he really wasn't THAT good of a booker. He overly relied on having the ability to bring in the best talent across the world every year and cycle them out in a year or two. That naturally kept things fresh and when the roster stagnated, so did his booking. I think you can go back to 2018 for the first real clues that Trips wasn't a great booker, with Johnny Gargano going from a red hot babyface into a lukewarm heel under the thumb of Ciampa.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 12, 2022 6:41:23 GMT -5
Sort of a reverse example but so many gave John Cena shit for the five moves of doom when that was a staple sequence for faces, including IWC favorites. Hell, the term was coined for Bret Hart
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 12, 2022 8:01:03 GMT -5
Sort of a reverse example but so many gave John Cena shit for the five moves of doom when that was a staple sequence for faces, including IWC favorites. Hell, the term was coined for Bret Hart Even as a kid I knew what he was gonna come back with. Atomic drop, lariat maybe, Russian legsweep, back breaker, elbow. I didn’t know what a “good worker” was, but I looked at a lot of wrestlers like fighting game characters with very specific move sets.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 12, 2022 9:01:15 GMT -5
Seeing as she still has fans here and there despite what's going on right now (yes, even including THAT), I will induct Tammy Sytch.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 12, 2022 9:25:45 GMT -5
Seeing as she still has fans here and there despite what's going on right now (yes, even including THAT), I will induct Tammy Sytch. Insert some mouth breather telling people to separate the art from the artist and getting really butthurt when they won't.
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 12, 2022 10:58:51 GMT -5
He has his following on the indy circuit, so...Joey Janela? Despite his rudeness and online outbursts which may or not be in character. Knowing him, I am not sure. There's a couple people involved with GCW you can say that about
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