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Post by oxbaker on May 12, 2022 13:54:15 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels has to take the cake.
He was one of the scummiest backstage politics and personal behavior guys in the locker room in his day and yet people rail on HHH and talk about Shawn like he’s Baby Jesus.
He’s literally in charge of NXT 2.0 yet people who don’t like its direction and presentation (and there is plenty to criticize) scream about Johnny Ace when HBK is the show runner.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 12, 2022 20:41:50 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels has to take the cake. He was one of the scummiest backstage politics and personal behavior guys in the locker room in his day and yet people rail on HHH and talk about Shawn like he’s Baby Jesus. He’s literally in charge of NXT 2.0 yet people who don’t like its direction and presentation (and there is plenty to criticize) scream about Johnny Ace when HBK is the show runner. I abide by the idea that people can grow and change and Shawn is a very different person now. Sure he can be kind of a dick sometimes but who isn't? Any stories of him being a jerk these days are apples and oranges from when he was the biggest locker room cancer in the history of the business.
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Post by Cyno on May 12, 2022 20:44:02 GMT -5
Given what Dax Harwood said about him, Shawn Michaels still sounds like a massive jerk. He's just better at hiding it.
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Post by oxbaker on May 12, 2022 21:02:22 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels has to take the cake. He was one of the scummiest backstage politics and personal behavior guys in the locker room in his day and yet people rail on HHH and talk about Shawn like he’s Baby Jesus. He’s literally in charge of NXT 2.0 yet people who don’t like its direction and presentation (and there is plenty to criticize) scream about Johnny Ace when HBK is the show runner. I abide by the idea that people can grow and change and Shawn is a very different person now. Sure he can be kind of a dick sometimes but who isn't? Any stories of him being a jerk these days are apples and oranges from when he was the biggest locker room cancer in the history of the business. I don’t doubt he’s changed, but compared to others who are vilified for the same behavior in the same era, I see a lot more forgiveness … because he was a good wrestler. And he’s teflon with NXT 2.0. People act like he’s not there while treating Johnny Ace as a movie villain — it’s Shawn’s show. If there are issues, blame him. (Not saying Laurenitis hasn’t had his own issues worth criticizing, but you can’t trash the show and act like the guy running it has nothing to do with it.)
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Post by realist on May 13, 2022 5:56:32 GMT -5
I can not find absolutely any mention of Bret raping his wife anywhere from any source and I just did a deep dive. Bret's sister Diana Hart's book suggested that Davey Boy and JIM NEIDHART drugged/raped their wives, but didn't include Bret in those allegations. Bret and both of his ex-wives are still on really good terms with him. Like, as in double dating with their current partners and his current wife. So, between that and no real evidence outside of messageboards posts from anonymous strangers (and two stories on a FAN FICTION website - as in literally self-described fan fiction in the title of the page), I really don't think it's fair to call Bret Hart a rapist. Julie Hart wrote a book years ago, and I don’t remember hearing about any accusations against Bret in that. Well, rape allegations. He obviously was very unfaithful to her, but that’s a whole different story Bret Hart's ex wife wrote a book where she made allegations against Bret. "One more for the road...."
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 13, 2022 6:47:24 GMT -5
I abide by the idea that people can grow and change and Shawn is a very different person now. Sure he can be kind of a dick sometimes but who isn't? Any stories of him being a jerk these days are apples and oranges from when he was the biggest locker room cancer in the history of the business. I don’t doubt he’s changed, but compared to others who are vilified for the same behavior in the same era, I see a lot more forgiveness … because he was a good wrestler. And he’s teflon with NXT 2.0. People act like he’s not there while treating Johnny Ace as a movie villain — it’s Shawn’s show. If there are issues, blame him. (Not saying Laurenitis hasn’t had his own issues worth criticizing, but you can’t trash the show and act like the guy running it has nothing to do with it.) I actually agree that Shawn gets too much of a pass even now as he clearly has some of that pitbull in him still, but hot take on my end, I actually think with what Vince and co want NXT 2.0 to be... Shawn's doing a decent enough job.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 10:20:28 GMT -5
Oh yeah, fun loving Cowboy Brock was actively awesome, I recommend looking up his segments, he was also fun in promos, looked like a Viking, and dressed like a Lumberjack Legitimately the best and most comfortable Lesnar has looked in years as a character, up until then? Yeah, everyone was sick of the exact same heel act. Lumberjack Brock? That actually sounds... good?
Now I'm scared.
You know that old saying about how the best wrestling characters are just the real people behind them cranked up to 11? That's Brock now. A redneck lumberjack viking dad who likes beer, hunting, fishing, cutting up with his bros, and having a good time. I'm sure the Brock Lesnar of his teens and 20's was a straight up meathead who said and did some things that aren't good, aren't cool, and I hope he's grown from them since then. Either way, the Brock Lesnar of now is just a weirdly charming and funny walking dad joke. But he's also is still a genetic freak with years of acquired skills in how to rip your arms off and shove them up your ass.
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Post by thehottag on May 13, 2022 10:36:25 GMT -5
Austin's wife-beating always seems to get glossed over.
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Post by cassonova on May 13, 2022 10:55:55 GMT -5
I don't think that the allegations against Darby Allin have been sufficiently addressed outside of hearsay. He is one that never missed any time during the period of revelation and is still in a main event position placed with an icon.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on May 13, 2022 11:15:40 GMT -5
Austin's wife-beating always seems to get glossed over. True it has. I think it because of several reasons it has because the outcome of the situation. One Austin did get help with anger after Debra called the cops on him, he went into anger management and probation. Debra herself in shoots talked about it and how she wanted him to get help instead of going to jail as they where ready to through the book. She cared for him even after divorce, and wanted him to get the help. As time went on Austin hasn't had any reported problems or accidents. Debra in an interview I watched say they still speak once in a while. I think those reasons why Austin gotten the pass because he got help and hasn't had any issues that drew attention to him in a bad way. As Debra said in this interview time heal the wounds. Also Debra talked about her experience lead to to speaking to kids in schools about it. She turned the negative into a positive.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on May 13, 2022 11:29:53 GMT -5
Austin's wife-beating always seems to get glossed over. True it has. I think it because of several reasons it has because the outcome of the situation. One Austin did get help with anger after Debra called the cops on him, he went into anger management and probation. Debra herself in shoots talked about it and how she wanted him to get help instead of going to jail as they where ready to through the book. She cared for him even after divorce, and wanted him to get the help. As time went on Austin hasn't had any reported problems or accidents. Debra in an interview I watched say they still speak once in a while. I think those reasons why Austin gotten the pass because he got help and hasn't had any issues that drew attention to him in a bad way. As Debra said in this interview time heal the wounds. Also Debra talked about her experience lead to to speaking to kids in schools about it. She turned the negative into a positive. Yea, for the most part, I don't believe in the "They did a really bad thing, they are forever a pariah" mindset. People can change, and as long as they show that they did/are doing that, and also show remorse for their bad act, then I see no reason to keep them down. Now, there's exceptions, of course. But mostly, I think that's what should happen.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 11:30:44 GMT -5
Bret Hart. If anyone else's wife accused them of abuse and rape, that's all anyone would talk about. So you just gonna leave this here along with everyone else hanging. If that's legit then f*** him but I've never heard it and neither have the other people who've asked about it
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 13, 2022 12:30:34 GMT -5
Bret Hart. If anyone else's wife accused them of abuse and rape, that's all anyone would talk about. So you just gonna leave this here along with everyone else hanging. If that's legit then f*** him but I've never heard it and neither have the other people who've asked about it Legit forgot I posted in here, lol. Comes from Julie Hart’s memoir.
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Post by noobeast on May 13, 2022 13:36:59 GMT -5
So you just gonna leave this here along with everyone else hanging. If that's legit then f*** him but I've never heard it and neither have the other people who've asked about it Legit forgot I posted in here, lol. Comes from Julie Hart’s memoir. I'm not sure where you're getting this from. Nowhere in that book did she ever accuse him of rape. Nothing out there on the internet about it, nothing. They hooked up one last time and she regretted it, but it was consensual.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 13, 2022 14:02:13 GMT -5
Legit forgot I posted in here, lol. Comes from Julie Hart’s memoir. I'm not sure where you're getting this from. Nowhere in that book did she ever accuse him of rape. Nothing out there on the internet about it, nothing. They hooked up one last time and she regretted it, but it was consensual. Yeah, while she did say "he would have his way with me" a few times which could be construed as something along those lines she never actually used the word rape. She did accuse him of physical abuse though. One particular case in 1998 she claims he was choking her out and their son Dallas was begging him to stop. Now looking it up Dallas would have been 14 in 1998 so he would obviously remember it. That's a pretty damning thing to put in a book if not true when Dallas could easily say yeah, that didn't happen. And even though she says she decided not to press charges in the end the police were involved so there would be a record of the reported incident. I'm honestly surprised this isn't more well known and is rarely if ever mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 18:21:59 GMT -5
So you just gonna leave this here along with everyone else hanging. If that's legit then f*** him but I've never heard it and neither have the other people who've asked about it Legit forgot I posted in here, lol. Comes from Julie Hart’s memoir. Appreciate the context.
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Post by sungod2020 on May 13, 2022 18:33:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure where you're getting this from. Nowhere in that book did she ever accuse him of rape. Nothing out there on the internet about it, nothing. They hooked up one last time and she regretted it, but it was consensual. Yeah, while she did say "he would have his way with me" a few times which could be construed as something along those lines she never actually used the word rape. She did accuse him of physical abuse though. One particular case in 1998 she claims he was choking her out and their son Dallas was begging him to stop. Now looking it up Dallas would have been 14 in 1998 so he would obviously remember it. That's a pretty damning thing to put in a book if not true when Dallas could easily say yeah, that didn't happen. And even though she says she decided not to press charges in the end the police were involved so there would be a record of the reported incident. I'm honestly surprised this isn't more well known and is rarely if ever mentioned. It's because he had "da workratez," that's why.
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Post by tirtefaa on May 13, 2022 18:35:36 GMT -5
Legit forgot I posted in here, lol. Comes from Julie Hart’s memoir. Appreciate the context. I haven't read the book, but here's someone who did from a culturecrossfire forum. Also, here's a response that made me a slight chuckle.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 18:42:13 GMT -5
Yeah Bret being a shitty husband and having a a very uncool sex first focused attitude towards women is known (hell the stories of Smith making him watch hardcore porn as a kid and Stu just in general make sense there). The 'had his way with me' comment is very ambiguous but doesn't taste right at best. Thanks tirtefaa I appreciate that.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 22:15:55 GMT -5
Austin's wife-beating always seems to get glossed over. True it has. I think it because of several reasons it has because the outcome of the situation. One Austin did get help with anger after Debra called the cops on him, he went into anger management and probation. Debra herself in shoots talked about it and how she wanted him to get help instead of going to jail as they where ready to through the book. She cared for him even after divorce, and wanted him to get the help. As time went on Austin hasn't had any reported problems or accidents. Debra in an interview I watched say they still speak once in a while. I think those reasons why Austin gotten the pass because he got help and hasn't had any issues that drew attention to him in a bad way. As Debra said in this interview time heal the wounds. Also Debra talked about her experience lead to to speaking to kids in schools about it. She turned the negative into a positive. The short answer is that, on the whole, society is more forgiving of people who show genuine remorse and take action for their misdeeds.
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