Worst IWC darlings to get free passes

[Malcolm]

Edit: The Following is a misdirected, paranoid, rage-induced rant brought upon mental stress and depression with no real way of venting. It's staying for context but struck through.

You either alre.ady know what I'm talking about or you're rolling your eyes at the term "IWC"("Technically everyone who's online and utters the word wrestling is part of the IWC"*rolls eyes*).

You know that guy(or girl). The one the people won't stop gushing over and then turn a blind eye when they start doing some of the same thing they complained about other wrestlers doing.

For me, it USED to be CM Punk. Now it's Brock Lesnar full stop.

Dude literally held the main event hostage for a year, but everyone wants to suck him off because he's so "badass" and "legit".

Dude literally does nothing but german suplexes, but suddenly everyone hates matches that have more than one move in them or goes over 5 minutes.

Dude literally buried Ricochet and Kofi. He's still fawned over while Ricochet gets called a bitch for a while and Kofi just there.

Other champions were threatened to be stripped of the title in kayfabe if they didn't defend long enough. I don't remember them even threatening him once(maybe they did. I don't know. I stopped watching WWE since he became champ)

I'm not asking him to put his body on the line everynight putting on 5 stars clinics. I just want him to show up once a month and do more than goddamn german suplexes. Throw in a vertical one for God's sake!

I don't give a damn about the handful of good matches he's had(the only good one was the Goldberg squash, anyway) when everything else about him is the drizzling shits. This man is the reason why I don't watch WWE anymore because he's so damn boring, yet everyone fawns over him like he's the second coming of Christ. Am I just crazy?

I'm going to change my answer to someone outside of wrestling and just go with Conner McGregor. I know a lot of guys who think he's a piece of shite, but I also know a lot more dudes who thinks he's THE shit.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Up until Cowboy Face Brock... everyone was sick of Lesnar. He finally freshened up his act after like a whole ass decade. Idk where you were looking, but I saw a lot of people very tired of Brock after like... 2015 if not sooner, as his act became stale, repetitive bullshit, and as you said, he buried talent, Kofi, Ali, Ambrose, Ricochet, a lot of guys did not benefit at all from him. And yeah, he held the main event scene hostage

He had a few moments where he was good, Boombox Brock, the very beginning of Suplex City, and the recent Face Cowboy Brock, but I wouldn't say Brock got a "Free pass" at all during those years he was absolutely god awful to watch

And I still hated this years Mania match, felt like the same Brock match I've seen 50 times in the last few years and no different from any other Brock/Roman match either, which was a let down for the good character work he WAS doing imo.

[Malcolm]

May 10, 2022 23:26:31 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Up until Cowboy Face Brock... everyone was sick of Lesnar. He finally freshened up his act after like a whole ass decade. Idk where you were looking, but I saw a lot of people very tired of Brock after like... 2015 if not sooner, as his act became stale, repetitive bullshit, and as you said, he buried talent, Kofi, Ali, Ambrose, Ricochet, a lot of guys did not benefit at all from him. And yeah, he held the main event scene hostage

He had a few moments where he was good, Boombox Brock, the very beginning of Suplex City, and the recent Face Cowboy Brock, but I wouldn't say Brock got a "Free pass" at all during those years he was absolutely god awful to watch

And I still hated this years Mania match, felt like the same Brock match I've seen 50 times in the last few years and no different from any other Brock/Roman match either, which was a let down for the good character work he WAS doing imo.

...I really need to stop google searching wrestling forums for general consensuses on things. It's not good for my mental health.

Also, he changed his act? No wonder people are praising him now.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

May 10, 2022 23:30:33 GMT -5 Malcolm said:

May 10, 2022 23:26:31 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Up until Cowboy Face Brock... everyone was sick of Lesnar. He finally freshened up his act after like a whole ass decade. Idk where you were looking, but I saw a lot of people very tired of Brock after like... 2015 if not sooner, as his act became stale, repetitive bullshit, and as you said, he buried talent, Kofi, Ali, Ambrose, Ricochet, a lot of guys did not benefit at all from him. And yeah, he held the main event scene hostage

He had a few moments where he was good, Boombox Brock, the very beginning of Suplex City, and the recent Face Cowboy Brock, but I wouldn't say Brock got a "Free pass" at all during those years he was absolutely god awful to watch

And I still hated this years Mania match, felt like the same Brock match I've seen 50 times in the last few years and no different from any other Brock/Roman match either, which was a let down for the good character work he WAS doing imo.

...I really need to stop google searching wrestling forums for general consensuses on things. It's not good for my mental health.

Also, he changed his act? No wonder people are praising him now.

Oh yeah, fun loving Cowboy Brock was actively awesome, I recommend looking up his segments, he was also fun in promos, looked like a Viking, and dressed like a Lumberjack

Legitimately the best and most comfortable Lesnar has looked in years as a character, up until then? Yeah, everyone was sick of the exact same heel act.

[Malcolm]

May 10, 2022 23:36:25 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

May 10, 2022 23:30:33 GMT -5 Malcolm said:

...I really need to stop google searching wrestling forums for general consensuses on things. It's not good for my mental health.

Also, he changed his act? No wonder people are praising him now.

Oh yeah, fun loving Cowboy Brock was actively awesome, I recommend looking up his segments, he was also fun in promos, looked like a Viking, and dressed like a Lumberjack

Legitimately the best and most comfortable Lesnar has looked in years as a character, up until then? Yeah, everyone was sick of the exact same heel act.

Lumberjack Brock? That actually sounds... good?

Now I'm scared.

[Cyno]

Sort of a reverse example but so many gave John Cena shit for the five moves of doom when that was a staple sequence for faces, including IWC favorites.

[Starshine]

Unless Brock suddenly got the book, I'm not sure why this is his fault. It's the same deal with Reigns now, the actual issue is with the company they're attached to and the guy making the decisions. In terms of what he does in ring, it's totally fair game to criticise him if you don't think he delivers, but he's also not the one setting out the matches, and/or making them go as short as they sometimes do. Though the one notable exception to that might be the Ambrose match, that whole thing was a complete mess from a lot of angles.

Compared with guys like Hogan, Trips and Jarrett, it's different, because we know they at least had some level of input in how the shows were being run, and how protected they were in the booking.

[Lizuka #BLM]

AJ Styles seems like a really shitty person and has been inconsistent at best in the ring for like 5 years now.

[tirtefaa]

Probably Bret Hart...

Not saying the guy is terrible or anything, but he's treated like a saint by many. I remember when his book came out, a lot of people were praising Bret's openness to discuss his infidelities. However he always justified it and gloated about "still having it" toward the end. It came off as pretty shallow. The Screwjob is still highly sensationalized for what the circumstances actually were, and in many ways it draws attention away from many of the other problems the industry has. I think it's the reason why WWE enjoy profiting off it, because in the eyes of anyone who isn't a fan, there isn't much of a story there.

Also, in just about any thread about Shawn Michaels, Bret's name gets brought up, even if it's not in relation to what is being discussed. Like...I get it. Shawn was a prick....or Shawn is a prick. But must we go down the same paths in every single conversation?

Love Bret Hart...he is one of my favorites of all time, but sometimes the slobberfests are too much to deal with.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

May 10, 2022 23:52:55 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

AJ Styles seems like a really shitty person and has been inconsistent at best in the ring for like 5 years now.

I'd agree with this one, I've seen a lot of wrestlers get held to task for stuff, but with AJ Styles, it feels like he is never brought up because he himself does a really good job at not bringing it up

But like "THE GAY COMMUNITY?" has been a running joke on FAN for years...

As a wrestler? Yeah there have been some egregious examples of him simply not clicking with workers who we know are also good. Kevin Owens stands out a lot.

[tirtefaa]

May 10, 2022 23:52:55 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

AJ Styles seems like a really shitty person

What did AJ do?

[Malcolm]

May 10, 2022 23:51:53 GMT -5 Starshine said:

Unless Brock suddenly got the book, I'm not sure why this is his fault. It's the same deal with Reigns now, the actual issue is with the company they're attached to and the guy making the decisions. In terms of what he does in ring, it's totally fair game to criticise him if you don't think he delivers, but he's also not the one setting out the matches, and/or making them go as short as they sometimes do. Though the one notable exception to that might be the Ambrose match, that whole thing was a complete mess from a lot of angles.

Compared with guys like Hogan, Trips and Jarrett, it's different, because we know they at least had some level of input in how the shows were being run, and how protected they were in the booking.

I really think the paranoia from that investor thread that got hijacked by WWE fans thinking AEW fans get a free pass rubbed off on me in a bad way.

[Mozenrath]

May 11, 2022 0:04:15 GMT -5 tirtefaa said:

May 10, 2022 23:52:55 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

AJ Styles seems like a really shitty person

What did AJ do?

The homophobia is the big thing.

[tirtefaa]

May 11, 2022 0:10:17 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

May 11, 2022 0:04:15 GMT -5 tirtefaa said:

What did AJ do?

The homophobia is the big thing.

He's homophobic?

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May 11, 2022 0:43:30 GMT -5 tirtefaa said:

May 11, 2022 0:10:17 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

The homophobia is the big thing.

He's homophobic?

Very. Tonnes of incidents of throwing around the f word willy nilly, 'THE GAY COMMUNITY' incident. Its dicey to discuss though as its likely tied to his religious beliefs.

[Burst]

I think the thing that makes Styles a tricky case is that pretty much all of his admittedly very well-documented homophobic incidents are from considerably earlier in his career, like I'd say maybe 2002-2009ish at most? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong and there's been more recent things with him, but granted we're talking about someone who allegedly changed from trunks to long tights because someone implied that the former was making him more attractive to said GAY COMMUNITY?! and he took it as an insult rather than a compliment.

The tricky part is that obviously people are allowed to change and grow as people, but he's... never really given any indication one way or another that he has, or that he's just gotten better at keeping quiet. Admittedly it could also be a thing where he still personally finds it against his beliefs or what have you but isn't as virulent about it as he was either, which is sort of growth, but yeah, that's a lot of why this is an awkward can of worms at times.

[msc]

First off, take care to the original poster. Hope you feel better soon.


Secondly, thinking back to all time, first I'm DQing Benoit, even if he had apologists for ages. Most huge Benoit fans (I include myself here) had no idea he was a shit backstage and obviously no forewarning that in the future he'd murder a child. If we had, we'd have demanded they pushed Chris Kanyon instead. (Ok, I was doing that...)

Anyhow, the answer feels like Dynamite Kid? When I got into wrestling, he was held up as a smark legend. About a decade ago he was still widely praised as one of the GOAT. Even now I think you'll find people separate the art from artist (and that's perfectly acceptable btw). But... his shittery has been known since before I became a fan. The extent of it has grown over time, but him being a bully who threatened his wife with a gun was all known information in 1999 that people ignored because he was a great wrestler once and because he shit on his alcoholic cousin in shoot interviews.

[James Fabiano]

Chris Benoit. Yes there's still people he's a darling to, and don't get me started on people who completely try to explain away....it.

I think we can include tribal chief Roman now that it's been exposed as the same LOLROMANWINS we've had since 2015.

[The Dark Order Inferno]

May 11, 2022 3:27:58 GMT -5 Burst said:

I think the thing that makes Styles a tricky case is that pretty much all of his admittedly very well-documented homophobic incidents are from considerably earlier in his career, like I'd say maybe 2002-2009ish at most? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong and there's been more recent things with him, but granted we're talking about someone who allegedly changed from trunks to long tights because someone implied that the former was making him more attractive to said GAY COMMUNITY?! and he took it as an insult rather than a compliment.

The tricky part is that obviously people are allowed to change and grow as people, but he's... never really given any indication one way or another that he has, or that he's just gotten better at keeping quiet. Admittedly it could also be a thing where he still personally finds it against his beliefs or what have you but isn't as virulent about it as he was either, which is sort of growth, but yeah, that's a lot of why this is an awkward can of worms at times.

He was cutting f slur laden promos during his 'great' indie heel run right up until his WWE hiring, and while under WWE contract he's appeared on the show of a right wing 'comedian' known primarily for his homophobic 'jokes', yelling pre written talking points at college students and for the organised bullying of a gay journalist.

Aj knows full well what he's doing and his supporters know who he is, but he wrestles good, so gets a pass for now.

[Bo Rida]

Snitzky. Loads of people say it wasn't his fault and you often see him being an option in polls he has no business being included on.