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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jun 13, 2022 4:03:49 GMT -5
Thinking about it the only real differences in the Moxley and Ambrose personas are Mox being booked a bit smarter/stronger in AEW and the brief germaphobe thing.
Tanahashi should win this IMO. Let him carry the AEW belt around in the G1, why not? Gives MJf something fresh to rant about. "Moxley lost our belt! I should be on top instead of him!"
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Jun 13, 2022 5:28:00 GMT -5
Man... Ambrose sucks. I hope he loses. Like... a full on Burial loss. He was SO MUCH BETTER in WWE. In AEW he comes across as some one trying really hard to be Stone Cold... and failing. I'm a fan.. But not of this run. Could not be on a more separate wavelength, if you thought the end of his WWE run was actually much better than this then... idk what to tell you, Moxley himself would disagree with you. He's not trying to be Stone Cold at all and idk where that even comes from. You can be a tough brawler in wrestling and not be Stone Cold, and he's come off like the companies ace more often than not so... it's working I never said the end of his WWE was better. But... I just cannot buy his current character. He feels so forced. Ambrose (Moxley is a dumb as f*** name and I refuse to use it) deserves better.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 13, 2022 6:00:44 GMT -5
Could not be on a more separate wavelength, if you thought the end of his WWE run was actually much better than this then... idk what to tell you, Moxley himself would disagree with you. He's not trying to be Stone Cold at all and idk where that even comes from. You can be a tough brawler in wrestling and not be Stone Cold, and he's come off like the companies ace more often than not so... it's working I never said the end of his WWE was better. But... I just cannot buy his current character. He feels so forced. Ambrose (Moxley is a dumb as f*** name and I refuse to use it) deserves better. I don't see how Moxley is any dumber than Ambrose. Jon Moxley, Mox, is just a name that rolls off the tongue and always has. I don't even have an issue with Dean Ambrose, but... I dont see Moxley as a dumb name I guess. I don't see how he deserves better, he won the world title, he had a dominant reign, he won the New Japan US Title, he might win the Interim Title, he is without a doubt one of the most protected wrestlers in any promotion right now If you don't like his character, that's whatever, even though I don't think Moxley and Ambrose are very different to begin with, but "deserving better" is a weird take... he literally gets roof popping reactions every time, he's been at the top of the wrestling world and might be the main event of one of the most important crossover events in wrestling history... he's gotten exactly what he has deserved for what he's put in imo. A lot.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 13, 2022 8:57:35 GMT -5
Andrade apparently can’t work this show because of something to do with CMLL-AAA-New Japan.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2022 9:29:55 GMT -5
Andrade apparently can’t work this show because of something to do with CMLL-AAA-New Japan. It seems the wording is more he can't work a New Japan show, but could work this (FTR are working this despite being AAA champions). It comes down to New Japan having a long standing relationship with CMLL, who HATE AAA. So as long as Andrade is with AAA (he was a CMLL guy originally) he won't get booked in New Japan. However, theoretically, he could be at Forbidden Door. It's a political minefield anyway.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Jun 13, 2022 11:22:10 GMT -5
I never said the end of his WWE was better. But... I just cannot buy his current character. He feels so forced. Ambrose (Moxley is a dumb as f*** name and I refuse to use it) deserves better. I don't see how Moxley is any dumber than Ambrose. Jon Moxley, Mox, is just a name that rolls off the tongue and always has. I don't even have an issue with Dean Ambrose, but... I dont see Moxley as a dumb name I guess. I don't see how he deserves better, he won the world title, he had a dominant reign, he won the New Japan US Title, he might win the Interim Title, he is without a doubt one of the most protected wrestlers in any promotion right now If you don't like his character, that's whatever, even though I don't think Moxley and Ambrose are very different to begin with, but "deserving better" is a weird take... he literally gets roof popping reactions every time, he's been at the top of the wrestling world and might be the main event of one of the most important crossover events in wrestling history... he's gotten exactly what he has deserved for what he's put in imo. A lot. I just hate the character. Ambrose was a better character, (minus the vaccine stuff) in WWE.
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Post by Some Guy on Jun 13, 2022 12:02:47 GMT -5
Man... Ambrose sucks. I hope he loses. Like... a full on Burial loss. He was SO MUCH BETTER in WWE. In AEW he comes across as some one trying really hard to be Stone Cold... and failing. I'm a fan.. But not of this run. One of the weirdest complaints I've seen for AEW. Mox is probably the wrestler of the year in any company at this point. He's had genuinely great matches in four different companies (against Lawlor and against Speedball in Rev Pro, against Biff in GCW, against Ospreay and fatal fourway in NJPW, and a ton in AEW), and he's pulling off good promos/angles constantly. This is all coming off a really hard period in his life, making it even more impressive. Everything about how WWE presentation got to be really lame. His theme was lame, his name made him sound like a middle manager at an Office Max, his matches/promos were nowhere near where they are now, and he wasn't as over because of how much all of that crushed him. He's one of the best minds in wrestling and you're basically saying the insanely dull, sanitized Vince version is better.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jun 13, 2022 12:09:21 GMT -5
Andrade apparently can’t work this show because of something to do with CMLL-AAA-New Japan. I expanded on this more in another thread, but I think that was more of a G1 issue
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Post by eJm on Jun 13, 2022 12:09:50 GMT -5
Seeing as my first experience of Moxley was with Ambrose, I got the impression that Moxley is the person he really wanted Ambrose to be but couldn't because of, as mentioned, the sanitization that has to be done with WWE booking. And in that sense, it makes me appreciate how much he got out of the Ambrose character at all considering how Moxley is now. That's just my view. I also really shouldn't think this is the right topic to sidestep into a Moxley/Ambrose discussion but hey, it ain't hurting anyone I guess? Andrade apparently can’t work this show because of something to do with CMLL-AAA-New Japan. It seems the wording is more he can't work a New Japan show, but could work this (FTR are working this despite being AAA champions). It comes down to New Japan having a long standing relationship with CMLL, who HATE AAA. So as long as Andrade is with AAA (he was a CMLL guy originally) he won't get booked in New Japan. However, theoretically, he could be at Forbidden Door. It's a political minefield anyway. It's something we're going to have to adjust to with all this. As this is something that hasn't really been done since WCW did it, a lot of negotiations have to take place and some people will lose, some will win to make both sides happy and the booking of Andrade, considering both side's relationship with AAA and CMLL, will be one of those things. If he doesn't get on, it makes sense why and if he gets on, it makes sense why. And I'm not someone who likes going all "thinking outside of the booking on TV" with this stuff but, well...you kind of have to with this. At least until the relationship gets stronger.
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Post by chrom on Jun 13, 2022 15:52:19 GMT -5
Fenix and Penta won't be there either Cubsfan is reporting
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 13, 2022 16:14:28 GMT -5
Fenix and Penta won't be there either Cubsfan is reporting So people who still work AAA are kind of being pushed away from this one? That sucks tbh. Idk what Lucha Bros could have done on the card initially but Andrade was clearly setting up something LIJ related, dude continues to be unable to get anything going it feels like, a lot of it being outside forces.
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Post by chrom on Jun 13, 2022 16:48:07 GMT -5
CMLL could give Vince lessons in how to be petty
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Post by chrom on Jun 13, 2022 17:14:29 GMT -5
Next Monday has Yoshinobu Kanemaru facing Ishii and Tomoaki Honma facing Clark Connors
Tuesday's show on New Japan World will have the winners face off to decide who takes part in The All Atlantic Championship
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 13, 2022 17:44:39 GMT -5
Fenix and Penta won't be there either Cubsfan is reporting That would be a bummer. Could’ve been some unique work rate type matches involving them.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 13, 2022 19:26:14 GMT -5
With how much of a mess CMLL has been since Paco Alonso died, it's both admirable and, from a fan's perspective, frustrating that New Japan has remained so loyal to them.
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Post by MrElijah on Jun 13, 2022 19:30:15 GMT -5
CMLL could give Vince lessons in how to be petty Shit, I was hoping for Himoru vs. Rey Fenix.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 13, 2022 19:32:03 GMT -5
CMLL could give Vince lessons in how to be petty Shit, I was hoping for Himoru vs. Rey Fenix. Still holding out for Hiromu vs Darby Allin...
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 13, 2022 21:42:32 GMT -5
Hope this applies to this show...
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Post by chrom on Jun 14, 2022 16:59:31 GMT -5
With Andrade not being there, neither will Dragon Lee as well.
We can probably count Rush out appearing also
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Jun 14, 2022 20:16:02 GMT -5
Fenix and Penta won't be there either Cubsfan is reporting So why is Penta booked in a qualifier for the All-Atlantic Championship? Why not use someone who doesn't get regular TV time?
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