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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 20, 2022 18:00:43 GMT -5
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CgQDsyzuwN1 First off finish the books bro. I haven’t even gotten to reading them shits yet and kno you taking forever secondly, people are upset about the final season because how rushed things were. This is in correlation to the books and just you feeding them ideas. The fans would been more than happy if pace was same as prior seasons
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 20, 2022 18:42:08 GMT -5
The last seasons sucked, George.
If you wanted people to be more receptive, maybe you should've finished the f***ing book instead of letting other people finish the story Fanficton.net style.
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Jul 20, 2022 18:44:15 GMT -5
so he's going to spend the rest of time killing us all off?
everyone's got to have a hobby and thats now his
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Post by Cyno on Jul 20, 2022 18:50:06 GMT -5
Maybe that's why he's been putting off The Winds of Winter for so long. He knows people are going to hate it. So he's getting his "no u's" out of the way before it finally comes out during the heat death of the universe.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 20, 2022 18:50:24 GMT -5
I mean, he's not totally wrong. He's not totally right either, but there's a huge market in podcasting/YouTubing/blogging for excessively hating on things for one reason or another. Jackasses like TheQuartering, Geeks & Gamers, Red Letter Media, CinemaSins, etc. make handsome livings selling the idea that everything is shit now and will always be shit and anybody who dares admit to liking anything is a mindless consumer drone who should be mocked. It's tiresome, and must be downright miserable for the creatives who are making these shows and movies.
A lot of the criticism for the last couple of seasons of GoT was entirely justified, though. In hindsight, given how HBO clearly didn't want the show to end so soon they should have simply moved Weiss and Benioff upstairs and replaced them with people who could have put the proper time, care and attention into seeing the story through to its conclusion.
And yeah, finish those books, George.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jul 20, 2022 19:06:11 GMT -5
At this point I've grown so meh to everything Game of Thrones. Pretty much a combo of less than stellar last seasons of GoT (though there were still moments I still loved like Arya being badass), Martin's sluggish writing, and just being over shows where the biggest selling point being "anyone can die."
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jul 20, 2022 19:07:01 GMT -5
Is anyone still holding out hope that these books are getting done? I thought we all agreed to make peace with it not ending at the last support group.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jul 20, 2022 19:08:06 GMT -5
The fact that even contrarian clickbait ala "Game of Thrones Season 8 was good actually" hasn't popped up all that much is fairly telling of just how lousy the conclusion of the show is viewed.
As far as Martin, stuff like this is falling on deaf ears regardless. Most of the people who still care to listen to him just want updates on the next book, and those that would be open to considering what he's saying don't really care about GoT or ASoIaF anymore.
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Post by Starshine on Jul 20, 2022 20:03:21 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that once he made his HBO money he mentally checked out of the entire thing. There's dragging your feet, and there's this. He's got no excuse to get mad when he's been promising the f***ing book every year for around a decade now. He's never going to finish it, and I think the best hope is once he dies a ghost writer will do it, and they'll claim they're working of his almost finish scripts, or something like that. But we're never getting "his vision" if there even is one anymore.
Honestly, I didn't even mind Season 8 compared to most everyone else, quality debates aside, because at least they actually delivered a f***ing end.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jul 20, 2022 20:05:59 GMT -5
Ignore the 'net and keep writing about those floppy wieners!
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jul 20, 2022 20:11:13 GMT -5
Is anyone still holding out hope that these books are getting done? I thought we all agreed to make peace with it not ending at the last support group. I am deep, deep, deep in self-admitted denial. I'm not so much "holding out hope" as just stubbornly refusing to believe the books won't get finished. I'm not good at coping.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 20, 2022 20:30:49 GMT -5
Honestly, I didn't even mind Season 8 compared to most everyone else, quality debates aside, because at least they actually delivered a f***ing end. I don't even think it's that bad. There's a marked drop in quality because everything is first draft and they're cramming a whole season's worth of story into half a season's runtime, but the general outline of the story is decent enough.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 20, 2022 21:20:22 GMT -5
Honestly, I didn't even mind Season 8 compared to most everyone else, quality debates aside, because at least they actually delivered a f***ing end. I don't even think it's that bad. There's a marked drop in quality because everything is first draft and they're cramming a whole season's worth of story into half a season's runtime, but the general outline of the story is decent enough. It's a drop in quality more so in how things were rushed Like I saw Danny going crazy 10 miles away, that's not surprising. Just more so how rushed everything had to be to label the point home and then the ending having to happen in that time frame
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jul 20, 2022 21:26:15 GMT -5
The fans would been more than happy if pace was same as prior seasons Anyone in the past decade who named their kids either Khaleesi or Daenerys would likely disagree.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 20, 2022 21:59:27 GMT -5
It's a drop in quality more so in how things were rushed Like I saw Danny going crazy 10 miles away, that's not surprising. Just more so how rushed everything had to be to label the point home and then the ending having to happen in that time frame For sure. Seasons 7 and 8 totalled 13 episodes; taking time to fully explore the plot points rushed through in those 13 episodes (and include those omitted for time) could have given them a very satisfactory 30 episodes.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 20, 2022 22:02:53 GMT -5
It's a drop in quality more so in how things were rushed Like I saw Danny going crazy 10 miles away, that's not surprising. Just more so how rushed everything had to be to label the point home and then the ending having to happen in that time frame For sure. Seasons 7 and 8 totalled 13 episodes; taking time to fully explore the plot points rushed through in those 13 episodes (and include those omitted for time) could have given them a very satisfactory 30 episodes. Yeah like stuff like the battle against The Night King could went 3 episodes if you really wanted to stretch it but 2 for sure. Danny just being a terrible human being and burning shit up could went like 5 episodes Nothing really got time to breath. What was before were we would see the travel and that taking some time was just outright skipped to get to everything. The journey between destinations was some of the good stuff
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Post by Cyno on Jul 20, 2022 22:15:00 GMT -5
So long as the showrunners don't go full Russo or Shyamalan, at least the Dance of the Dragons show has a definitive body count and outcome. It's one of my favorite part of Westeros history along with "Dunk and Egg" and Aegon's Conquest, so I hope they don't f*** it up.
A show about Valyria at its height, leading up to the Doom could be real interesting, though GRRM's kept it intentionally vague for a reason. A show about it could kill the mystique.
Back to Martin, I wouldn't be surprised that between working on Elden Ring and the negative reaction to both the end of GoT and the A Dance With Dragons book (which was IMO the worst book in the series), if he was just a lot more mentally checked out on ever finishing things.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 20, 2022 22:25:12 GMT -5
Yeah like stuff like the battle against The Night King could went 3 episodes if you really wanted to stretch it but 2 for sure. Danny just being a terrible human being and burning shit up could went like 5 episodes Nothing really got time to breath. What was before were we would see the travel and that taking some time was just outright skipped to get to everything. The journey between destinations was some of the good stuff I think there could have been a much more satisfactory ending to the two big plot threads if some time had been devoted to it. The Night King and his army, which they spent seven seasons hyping up as a threat to all of Westeros, got wiped out by the first real organised resistance. Ultimately it felt like a huge anti-climax. How about having the defenders at Winterfell get routed and chased all the way to King's Landing, forcing Cersei's hand in having to help? Dany can still go crazy, after gradually losing all the people closest to her in the battle at Winterfell and the prolonged retreat, whereupon she finds the people fleeing with them along the way not only oppose another Targaryen ruler but openly blame her for the White Walkers' invasion. Maybe having to personally put down a reanimated Jorah or Missandei could tip her over the edge.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 20, 2022 22:28:30 GMT -5
Yeah like stuff like the battle against The Night King could went 3 episodes if you really wanted to stretch it but 2 for sure. Danny just being a terrible human being and burning shit up could went like 5 episodes Nothing really got time to breath. What was before were we would see the travel and that taking some time was just outright skipped to get to everything. The journey between destinations was some of the good stuff I think there could have been a much more satisfactory ending to the two big plot threads if some time had been devoted to it. The Night King and his army, which they spent seven seasons hyping up as a threat to all of Westeros, got wiped out by the first real organised resistance. Ultimately it felt like a huge anti-climax. How about having the defenders at Winterfell get routed and chased all the way to King's Landing, forcing Cersei's hand in having to help? Dany can still go crazy, after gradually losing all the people closest to her in the battle at Winterfell and the prolonged retreat, whereupon she finds the people fleeing with them along the way not only oppose another Targaryen ruler but openly blame her for the White Walkers' invasion. Maybe having to personally put down a reanimated Jorah or Missandei could tip her over the edge. Fans were def hoping Cersei got fried like Varys did
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jul 20, 2022 22:33:06 GMT -5
I will say this.
I actually loved how the show ended.
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