Y’all Done Made George R.R. Martin Mad

[dav]

Jul 30, 2022 17:03:42 GMT -5 Hit Girl said:

In the time it's taken this guy to write one book, Tolkien got his hobbits from the Shire to Mount Doom, Bella Swan became a vampire, Christian Gray and Ana Steele had sex 1000 times, Panem collapsed, Count Olaf was defeated, and JK Rowling got through a war in the wizarding world and psychologically imploded.

Also, Sam Vimes rose to become Duke of Ankh Morpork, Death retired, unretired, forged a relationship with his granddaughter and Magrat got married and had a kid.

[The Dark Order Inferno]

I'm happy for him to be dome when he's done with the books. It's his baby to do with as he pleases, after all and people have gotten an ending in some form, even if it's not one they like.

[Johnny B. Decent]

So, what comes out first: The Winds of Winter or The Elder Scrolls VI?

[Hurbster]

It could be a close run thing.

[Johnny B. Decent]

Jul 31, 2022 18:36:52 GMT -5 Hurbster said:

It could be a close run thing.

Ironically, Skyrim and A Dance of Dragons came out around the same time.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

www.yahoo.com/entertainment/game-thrones-george-r-r-155949160.html

Game of Thrones author George R.R. Martin is shedding new, cryptic light on the complicated relationship he had with the original HBO series’ creators D.B. Weiss and David Benioff.

In a new interview with the New York Times, Martin confirms that his behind-the-scenes involvement decreased dramatically in the show’s final seasons. After being heavily engaged during Seasons 1 through 4, consulting on everything from scripts to casting, “By Season 5 and 6, and certainly 7 and 8, I was pretty much out of the loop,” he shares.

Asked why he became estranged from the show, Martin admits, “I don’t know — you have to ask Dan and David.” (Weiss and Benioff declined the Times‘ request for comment.)

[Magnus the Magnificent]

I tapped out after season 1, but when was it the TV show went beyond the books?

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Aug 11, 2022 18:05:21 GMT -5 Magnus the Magnificent said:

I tapped out after season 1, but when was it the TV show went beyond the books?

The last 2 seasons 

[Natural Born Farmer]

Aug 11, 2022 17:44:42 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

www.yahoo.com/entertainment/game-thrones-george-r-r-155949160.html

Game of Thrones author George R.R. Martin is shedding new, cryptic light on the complicated relationship he had with the original HBO series’ creators D.B. Weiss and David Benioff.

In a new interview with the New York Times, Martin confirms that his behind-the-scenes involvement decreased dramatically in the show’s final seasons. After being heavily engaged during Seasons 1 through 4, consulting on everything from scripts to casting, “By Season 5 and 6, and certainly 7 and 8, I was pretty much out of the loop,” he shares.

Asked why he became estranged from the show, Martin admits, “I don’t know — you have to ask Dan and David.” (Weiss and Benioff declined the Times‘ request for comment.)

I'm very skeptical about this.

If anything I'd guess the show runners were begging him for guidance, and he was telling them "do you not have the notes I emailed you? Then piss off, I'm speaking on a panel in 20 minutes and then I've got fans waiting to praise me".

[Magnus the Magnificent]

Aug 11, 2022 18:06:23 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Aug 11, 2022 18:05:21 GMT -5 Magnus the Magnificent said:

I tapped out after season 1, but when was it the TV show went beyond the books?

The last 2 seasons 

Thanks.
I think the producers/writers knew pretty early on that they would catch up and surpass the books, and stopped humouring and including GRRM at the point he descibes.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

www.yahoo.com/entertainment/george-r-r-martin-urged-010223317.html

“I was saying it needs to be 10 seasons at least and maybe 12, 13. I lost that one,” he told the Journal.

Ultimately, Martin didn’t have much say in the final stretch of “Game of Thrones,” as the events of the series stretched beyond the storyline established by books he has published so far.

“I had no contribution to the later seasons except, you know, inventing the world, the story and all the characters,” he said. “I believe I have more influence now [on ‘House of the Dragon’] than I did on the original show.”

[A Platypus Rave]

Jul 30, 2022 18:04:05 GMT -5 dav said:

Jul 30, 2022 17:03:42 GMT -5 Hit Girl said:

In the time it's taken this guy to write one book, Tolkien got his hobbits from the Shire to Mount Doom, Bella Swan became a vampire, Christian Gray and Ana Steele had sex 1000 times, Panem collapsed, Count Olaf was defeated, and JK Rowling got through a war in the wizarding world and psychologically imploded.

Also, Sam Vimes rose to become Duke of Ankh Morpork, Death retired, unretired, forged a relationship with his granddaughter and Magrat got married and had a kid.

The entire career of the Beatles, happened in less time.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Aug 21, 2022 23:27:46 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

www.yahoo.com/entertainment/george-r-r-martin-urged-010223317.html

“I was saying it needs to be 10 seasons at least and maybe 12, 13. I lost that one,” he told the Journal.

Ultimately, Martin didn’t have much say in the final stretch of “Game of Thrones,” as the events of the series stretched beyond the storyline established by books he has published so far.

“I had no contribution to the later seasons except, you know, inventing the world, the story and all the characters,” he said. “I believe I have more influence now [on ‘House of the Dragon’] than I did on the original show.”

And again, he's not wrong.

But you know what would have solved all those problems he complains about? Finishing the damn books. I mean, since the last book in the series was released the entire show came and went.

The more he talks and the more he procrastinates I think it becomes ever more obvious that he simply has no idea how to finish them, and the tepid reaction to the way the show finished probably made that worse.

[schma]

My friend had been reading these books as they came out. It was frustrating for him that just as Dance with Dragons came out just before the show and people had 5 books right there. Meanwhile he had waited 6 years between books. It's now been 11 years since the last book. I have zero faith that he will ever finish the series.

That was why I ultimately watched the show beyond the books. I knew avoiding spoilers would be impossible and at least I would get an ending.


It's a shame the head writers made the last season with one foot out the door.

[A Platypus Rave]

Aug 22, 2022 0:15:22 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

Aug 21, 2022 23:27:46 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

www.yahoo.com/entertainment/george-r-r-martin-urged-010223317.html

And again, he's not wrong.

But you know what would have solved all those problems he complains about? Finishing the damn books. I mean, since the last book in the series was released the entire show came and went.

The more he talks and the more he procrastinates I think it becomes ever more obvious that he simply has no idea how to finish them, and the tepid reaction to the way the show finished probably made that worse.

Yeah, the last season was absolutely rushed to get to the ending and skipping what needed to be like a season or two's worth of character development...

I mean HBO apparently said the show runners could have all the time they needed but they wanted to rush to teh finish to get to started on their "Star Wars" project that got cancelled due to how poorly received the last season was.

but yeah... if George had the books out could solve some of the pacing issues... though I think ultimately we'd have the same issue at the end.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Aug 22, 2022 0:15:22 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

Aug 21, 2022 23:27:46 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

www.yahoo.com/entertainment/george-r-r-martin-urged-010223317.html

And again, he's not wrong.

But you know what would have solved all those problems he complains about? Finishing the damn books. I mean, since the last book in the series was released the entire show came and went.

The more he talks and the more he procrastinates I think it becomes ever more obvious that he simply has no idea how to finish them, and the tepid reaction to the way the show finished probably made that worse.

It seems like he more interested in dictating things as opposed to finishing the books. He rather be the guy everyone goes to and apparently he has solutions and suggestions for everything involving tv shows but it looks like he has no interest in finishing the books which is a problem in itself.

You like the TV side of things, fine. But just you saying they didn’t listen to you about the show, you’re not listening to anyone about the books. If you’re suggesting the show runs 12-13 seasons my follow up question would be, so how many books are getting done in that time frame. Will we have a complete story or will we still end up with way things happened

[lucas_lee]

Aug 22, 2022 0:35:17 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

Aug 22, 2022 0:15:22 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

And again, he's not wrong.

But you know what would have solved all those problems he complains about? Finishing the damn books. I mean, since the last book in the series was released the entire show came and went.

The more he talks and the more he procrastinates I think it becomes ever more obvious that he simply has no idea how to finish them, and the tepid reaction to the way the show finished probably made that worse.

Yeah, the last season was absolutely rushed to get to the ending and skipping what needed to be like a season or two's worth of character development...

I mean HBO apparently said the show runners could have all the time they needed but they wanted to rush to teh finish to get to started on their "Star Wars" project that got cancelled due to how poorly received the last season was.

but yeah... if George had the books out could solve some of the pacing issues... though I think ultimately we'd have the same issue at the end.

To be fair I can understand how draining running a show is for nearly a decade and having GRRM poo pooing stuff while not having a book to go on as well. I know he gave them an outline and stuff but some of his ideas were really out there and hasn't even gained traction in the books. Wanting 12-13 seasons is absurd and it wouldve become a shambling bloated mess TBH. I didnt mind them picking things up even it was laughable at how people teleported.

[Push R Truth]

I'm 100% fine when artists come forward and say "You know what, it's done. I can't finish it the way I want."
I'd much rather have that then eternal "I'm working on it". And I do understand that functionally those can be the same thing for an artist.

I kinda wish George would say something like "It's over unless I can come up with more story that I'm satisfied with." It would be honest. I think.


Either way: We Need Floppy Weeners

[schma]

Aug 22, 2022 11:14:46 GMT -5 Push R Truth said:

I'm 100% fine when artists come forward and say "You know what, it's done. I can't finish it the way I want."
I'd much rather have that then eternal "I'm working on it". And I do understand that functionally those can be the same thing for an artist.

I kinda wish George would say something like "It's over unless I can come up with more story that I'm satisfied with." It would be honest. I think.


Either way: We Need Floppy Weeners

HHH glares at you.

[Hit Girl]

GRRM tried to send notes to HBO about the direction GOT would take in seasons seven and eight via email, but the email is 300,000 words long and he still hasn't finished writing it.