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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 22, 2022 18:21:35 GMT -5
Ok I should have said FANS. He doesn't owe readers anything. I don't know enough about his contract to speculate on that.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jul 22, 2022 18:35:22 GMT -5
He doesn't owe anyone anything. If he decided to say "f*** it, no more stories" tomorrow, it's his universe. That was true when he was writing as a hobby. The day he signed a publishing contract it ceased to be true (his publishers must be hopping mad that if AWOW is ever released it'll sell a fraction of what it should have done). Especially so when Westeros became a massive franchise that had other people's livelihoods from Kit Harrington and Emilia Clarke right down to the tea lady on set dependent on it. It beggars belief he had a four book head start when the contract was signed (before a single script was written or a single audition held) and even after a slowdown his head start was five books when episode one aired. The decline of the show beginning almost the second they outpaced the books material is certainly not a coincidence. At the end of the day author isn't his main job. He is an editor and a screenwriter mainly. ASOIAF was his hobby and sometimes one doesn't feel like doing their hobby (unusual for this feeling to last a decade but still...). JK Rowling and Steve Erikson were able to deliver their series' on time as they see writing as the same as we see our jobs. They sit at the computer at 9 and don't walk away until 5. GRRM as a screenwriter works better in a team and he's been working in that style for 50 years and was simply unable to change and work in an author like solo way. If I was him I'd have outsourced the series to Brandon Sanderson or Joe Abercrombie who both would have done a decent job and jumped at the chance. I mean it's been just over 15 years since JKR put any effort into writing, spending most of her time now drinking wine with bigots and having a go at trans people.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 20:43:12 GMT -5
He doesn't owe anyone anything. If he decided to say "f*** it, no more stories" tomorrow, it's his universe. That was true when he was writing as a hobby. The day he signed a publishing contract it ceased to be true (his publishers must be hopping mad that if AWOW is ever released it'll sell a fraction of what it should have done). You are responding to a published author here, fyi. Looks like you are too but I think he knows that already.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 20:46:42 GMT -5
I turn signatures off. Too many of them (not his of course) take up half the bloody screen.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 23, 2022 19:13:15 GMT -5
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Post by chrom on Jul 24, 2022 6:21:09 GMT -5
So never then
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 6:34:27 GMT -5
On a personal note, while it's a shame that the stories never get a proper ending... its been 11 years since rhe last book. The last season killed my love of the series and made the rest of it retroactively worse. So for me... its fine if he doesn't finish. I've moved on and think a lot of fans have moved on. And if his heart isn't in it anymore, which it really feels like it isn't, then that's for the best.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jul 24, 2022 10:47:20 GMT -5
On a personal note, while it's a shame that the stories never get a proper ending... its been 11 years since rhe last book. The last season killed my love of the series and made the rest of it retroactively worse. So for me... its fine if he doesn't finish. I've moved on and think a lot of fans have moved on. And if his heart isn't in it anymore, which it really feels like it isn't, then that's for the best. Not like the guy owes us anything, but I'd deeply appreciate it if he came out and just straight-up said "nope, not finishing them. Tough titties." It'd would finally eradicate that 3.2% hope that circulates within me when his name crops up in my feed. Well, that or I could just let go, but c'mon...........
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jul 24, 2022 10:54:59 GMT -5
Unless the final book is *about* tough titties?
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Jul 24, 2022 13:53:12 GMT -5
George R.R. Martin is such a wiener
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jul 24, 2022 14:01:45 GMT -5
George R.R. Martin is such a wiener What does Ramsay Bolton think about all this? Thanks, Ramsay.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Jul 24, 2022 15:16:51 GMT -5
"Dany kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet" When they turned in that script, that's the moment HBO should have fired them. The signs were there before that. “Somehow Palpatine the Hound returned.”
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 26, 2022 8:50:46 GMT -5
On a personal note, while it's a shame that the stories never get a proper ending... i ts been 11 years since rhe last book. The last season killed my love of the series and made the rest of it retroactively worse. So for me... its fine if he doesn't finish. I've moved on and think a lot of fans have moved on. And if his heart isn't in it anymore, which it really feels like it isn't, then that's for the best. It's just absurd. For the POVs that last appeared in A Feast For Crows, that came out in 2005! I think that includes Sansa, Sam, and Brienne at least.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 26, 2022 8:54:49 GMT -5
Sometimes it feels like I am the only person that watched season 1 of GoT and said "What is the fuss about?" and never bothered watching more. I rather Martin focus more on more Wild Cards novels,than a series it seems like he is burnt out on. His sci fi stuff is really great. I checked out a lot of his shorts when I was trying to track down the other Song of Ice and Fire novellas.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jul 27, 2022 22:47:22 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 30, 2022 14:30:55 GMT -5
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jul 30, 2022 15:43:26 GMT -5
Cheers for the non-update, George. Drop by any time.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 30, 2022 15:46:58 GMT -5
He'll still be distracted by his movie theater, the Mets, the Jets, or a fascinating butterfly that landed on a plant near his window.
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Post by chrom on Jul 30, 2022 17:01:05 GMT -5
He'll still be distracted by his movie theater, the Mets, the Jets, or a fascinating butterfly that landed on a plant near his window. Or filming his next cameo for a two dollar budget SyFy film
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 30, 2022 17:03:42 GMT -5
In the time it's taken this guy to write one book, Tolkien got his hobbits from the Shire to Mount Doom, Bella Swan became a vampire, Christian Gray and Ana Steele had sex 1000 times, Panem collapsed, Count Olaf was defeated, and JK Rowling got through a war in the wizarding world and psychologically imploded.
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