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Post by Squirrel Master on Aug 1, 2022 23:00:02 GMT -5
I was at the Monday Nitro in October 1997 where the dark match was Nailz vs Yuji Nagata. That's unbelievable! Nailz was able to still find work in '97😲 Please, what was his ring-name? The Convict. |
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Aug 1, 2022 23:47:14 GMT -5
That's unbelievable! Nailz was able to still find work in '97😲 Please, what was his ring-name? The Convict. Get outta town😲 |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 2, 2022 0:31:35 GMT -5
In AWF it was Nails. Somehow neither WWF nor Kevin Smith sued. |
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Post by evilone on Aug 2, 2022 3:38:01 GMT -5
Nailz was perfect boogeyman for Undertaker horror feuds at the time.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 2, 2022 3:42:12 GMT -5
Nailz was perfect boogeyman for Undertaker horror feuds at the time. I always was disappointed we never got a Undertaker vs heel Doink feud. Would've been like Batman vs The Joker in wrestling form. |
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Post by evilone on Aug 2, 2022 3:52:22 GMT -5
Nailz was perfect boogeyman for Undertaker horror feuds at the time. I always was disappointed we never got a Undertaker vs heel Doink feud. Would've been like Batman vs The Joker in wrestling form. I could see how Undertaker was irritated for having to work with "freaks" with no work rate in the early 90s but at the time it really made so much sense. Undertaker was the big daddy freak and they kept feeding him other monsters for the circus freakshow angle. I remember crowd going nuts when he went face to face with Giant Gonzales in ringside promo and right in the middle between the two monsters was Mean Gene, it was the perfect setup and presentation for the angle. They knew how to sell monsters. And let's be honest at the time Undertaker was not that great in the ring either, so his frustration was not really solid. Later on like five years down the road he became a proper top tier brawler. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 2, 2022 4:12:50 GMT -5
I always was disappointed we never got a Undertaker vs heel Doink feud. Would've been like Batman vs The Joker in wrestling form. I could see how Undertaker was irritated for having to work with "freaks" with no work rate in the early 90s but at the time it really made so much sense. Undertaker was the big daddy freak and they kept feeding him other monsters for the circus freakshow angle. I remember crowd going nuts when he went face to face with Giant Gonzales in ringside promo and right in the middle between the two monsters was Mean Gene, it was the perfect setup and presentation for the angle. They knew how to sell monsters. And let's be honest at the time Undertaker was not that great in the ring either, so his frustration was not really solid. Later on like five years down the road he became a proper top tier brawler. A lot of the issue was there was really no way for Undertaker to work in ring as a face. Like I get why they did it as he was getting popular because fans thought he was cool but as a face how do you get sympathy on a 6'9" 300 pound undead zombie man who is impervious to pain and can't be hurt? So you kind of had to put him against giants, wild men, and freaks because those are the only guys who believably be a threat to him and even then it was tough just because he would no sell everything. Gonzalez was the first guy who posed a legit threat to him just because of how huge he was and he was presented as a legit threat as Taker did sell for him. Problem was he was just so bad in the ring. They finally found a good dance partner for him whey they put him against Yoko as he was big, believable, booked very strong, and could work. They had a good chemistry together too probably as a result of being buds IRL. As for his in ring work I think the gimmick really hamstrung him as far as his ability goes. Even just watching his squash matches the guy was clearly super athletic and had skills. Good moveset and had good explosiveness which he was really smart with in how he used with how he would change speeds. I always loved how he would real slow and methodical and then suddenly snap into action with that big flying clothesline or some other high impact move. Working the gimmick while showing ability at the same time. Problem was he had to work the gimmick so he wasn't able to showcase what he could do a lot of the time. Having him in there against guys who were very limited like Nailz, Gonzalez, and washed up Kamala didn't help either. |
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Aug 2, 2022 7:40:50 GMT -5
Any wonder why mid-90s WWF wasn't hot?
Warrior or Taker vs Nailz is a waste of the formers time.
Vince vetoed a Macho Man return to put over HBK, and fired Warrior in a panic.
Savage vs HBK
Hart vs Warrior
New Generation goes over Golden Era superstars to truly kick off a new era.
As much as Warrior wouldn't have submitted to the sharpshooter I don't think he would've cared to win either and would've been OK with putting Bret over by other means as long as the Warrior character stayed relevant.
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Post by auph10imitated on Aug 2, 2022 10:18:28 GMT -5
I think that was supposed to be with Undertaker. He and Nailz had a staredown which made the cover of WWE Magazine. I remember the article on the two had a photo of Nailz in an electric chair. Makes me wonder if someone had just seen Shocker...  "We need to wrap up this Boss Man feud, what else can we do with Nailz?" "I dunno, put him in an electric chair? It'll look cool." This has always been one of those wrestling myths but now I have seen this, it totally explains where the theory came from, especially with WCW doing that Halloween Havoc match a year previous, I doubt very much it was ever considered though |
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Post by sungod2020 on Aug 2, 2022 11:42:04 GMT -5
I don't really know where the Warrior-Nailz feud rumors came from. They were definitely setting up a Undertaker-Nailz program before Nailz got fired for attacked Vince. Looking back it's kind of surprising that they had Boss Man go over on Nailz. I mean I didn't have a problem with it as that was the appropriate blow off to their feud and it gave Boss Man a nice final crowning moment before he started getting jobbed out and left in early 93. Also it ended up not mattering with Nailz getting himself fired. However Nailz was the one they had more plans for. Would've been hard to buy Nailz having any shot against Taker who kayfabe was the strongest guy in the company when he just lost to Boss Man in five minutes. The premise of the feud didn't make to begin with. It only ended up making sense due to Nailz departure. For one, Nailz wanted to get his revenge on Bossman for beating him when he was serving time. Considering that Bossman debuted as a corrupt prison guard, it wouldn't be a stretch to believe that happened. Also, they didn't even acknowledge his(Bossman's) past, which he could've said that it was the old him and that his past indeed came back to haunt him, but now this time he can stop him, and it'll be by the book. Third point, Nailz was a released convict, not an escaped one. Why would he continue to wear his prison jump suit. How did he get around from city to city(which means he'd have to get past security from airport to airport) wearing that thing(while also carrying a night stick). Also, does the prison let you keep that jump suit. In fact, how was he allowed in the building in the first place to give Bossman that beating? That would be considered trespassing. When you think about it, the Nailz character was very limited and couldn't really go that far. It defied logic even within the World of wrestling. |
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Post by XIII on Aug 2, 2022 11:49:43 GMT -5
If Nailz didn’t try to murder Vince he for sure would have came back as a member of DOA in the Attitude era. Definitely taken the ho’s. Definitely would have finally had an electric chair match against someone.
So much WWE crime that Nailz missed out on by committing real crimes.
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Post by Wardlow on Wardlow 54 on Aug 2, 2022 12:28:55 GMT -5
I was at the Monday Nitro in October 1997 where the dark match was Nailz vs Yuji Nagata. Did WCW book shows by randomly drawing wrestlers’ names from a hat? I went to a Nitro earlier that year which had a dark match of Ice Train vs. Damian 666. So in a word, yes. |
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Post by bluebeach25 on Aug 2, 2022 13:02:59 GMT -5
Any wonder why mid-90s WWF wasn't hot? Warrior or Taker vs Nailz is a waste of the formers time. Vince vetoed a Macho Man return to put over HBK, and fired Warrior in a panic. Savage vs HBK Hart vs Warrior New Generation goes over Golden Era superstars to truly kick off a new era. As much as Warrior wouldn't have submitted to the sharpshooter I don't think he would've cared to win either and would've been OK with putting Bret over by other means as long as the Warrior character stayed relevant. If Bret vs Warrior was ever going to happen at that time, there is no way that Warrior would have done the job for Bret in early 93. |
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Post by chronocross on Aug 2, 2022 13:07:38 GMT -5
I remember Undertaker and Nailz having a standoff on an episode of Superstars, so it seemed like that was the next feud. I also remember seeing that as the cover for the WWF magazine around that time but it never panned out.
Hard to say if that would have been better or worse than Giant Gonzalez.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Aug 2, 2022 14:28:51 GMT -5
Any wonder why mid-90s WWF wasn't hot? Warrior or Taker vs Nailz is a waste of the formers time. Vince vetoed a Macho Man return to put over HBK, and fired Warrior in a panic. Savage vs HBK Hart vs Warrior New Generation goes over Golden Era superstars to truly kick off a new era. As much as Warrior wouldn't have submitted to the sharpshooter I don't think he would've cared to win either and would've been OK with putting Bret over by other means as long as the Warrior character stayed relevant. If Bret vs Warrior was ever going to happen at that time, there is no way that Warrior would have done the job for Bret in early 93. I don't know. Warrior was good friends with Owen Hart, had a healthy respect for the Hart family at the time and not really a win/loss mark over and above getting paid. He took the L for Sgt Slaughter, agreed for a young Taker to stuff him into a casket, and further just went along with the Papa Shango curse crap. He was just happy with the extended program he had as Savage's tag partner at the time. His differences were mainly with Vince McMahon and not really the workers. Bret even mentions in his book that Warrior was really happy for Bret's championship win and congratulated him heartily when he wasn't expecting it. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 2, 2022 15:26:55 GMT -5
I don't really know where the Warrior-Nailz feud rumors came from. They were definitely setting up a Undertaker-Nailz program before Nailz got fired for attacked Vince. Looking back it's kind of surprising that they had Boss Man go over on Nailz. I mean I didn't have a problem with it as that was the appropriate blow off to their feud and it gave Boss Man a nice final crowning moment before he started getting jobbed out and left in early 93. Also it ended up not mattering with Nailz getting himself fired. However Nailz was the one they had more plans for. Would've been hard to buy Nailz having any shot against Taker who kayfabe was the strongest guy in the company when he just lost to Boss Man in five minutes. The premise of the feud didn't make to begin with. It only ended up making sense due to Nailz departure. For one, Nailz wanted to get his revenge on Bossman for beating him when he was serving time. Considering that Bossman debuted as a corrupt prison guard, it wouldn't be a stretch to believe that happened. Also, they didn't even acknowledge his(Bossman's) past, which he could've said that it was the old him and that his past indeed came back to haunt him, but now this time he can stop him, and it'll be by the book. Third point, Nailz was a released convict, not an escaped one. Why would he continue to wear his prison jump suit. How did he get around from city to city(which means he'd have to get past security from airport to airport) wearing that thing(while also carrying a night stick). Also, does the prison let you keep that jump suit. In fact, how was he allowed in the building in the first place to give Bossman that beating? That would be considered trespassing. When you think about it, the Nailz character was very limited and couldn't really go that far. It defied logic even within the World of wrestling. There was definitely a lot of logic holes with the Nailz characters. Another one was him getting freaking vignettes threatening Boss Man while he was still in prison which would definitely lead to his parole being revoked. And then the WWF hiring him even though in kayfabe he was a convict who wasn't a wrestler and had spent two months threatening one of their employees on television. When it got it got past the vignette stage and he was released from prison with him then sending the commentators anonymous letters to read where he issued more threats to Boss Man and then him threatening Boss Man over the PA during his squash matches; I thought that was actually fine. It came off as genuinely scary and there wasn't any logic holes as he was out of prison and he wasn't giving his name. It wouldn't be far fetched to think there was plenty of inmates that served at the DOC in Cobb County that didn't like Boss Man when he was there especially with him being a jerk when he first came to the WWF. I think it would've been better if they had just skipped the vignettes and went straight to the letters and PA taunting to get over who he was. I have no idea what to do when it comes to the issue with his apparel. Him showing up in his prison uniform made no sense but at the same time it established who he was and I don't really know of an alternative for what he should've worn. Like when he finally debuted by jumping the rail and attacking Boss Man if you just have him in regular street clothes that leads to a logic problem too in that he would more or less just be a fan so why wouldn't the arena security stop him? |
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Post by Wardlow on Wardlow 54 on Aug 2, 2022 15:54:18 GMT -5
Nailz was perfect boogeyman for Undertaker horror feuds at the time. I always was disappointed we never got a Undertaker vs heel Doink feud. Would've been like Batman vs The Joker in wrestling form. I once tried to fantasy book this lol The feud begins shortly after SummerSlam 93. Doink came to ringside during one of Taker's matches and was doing his usual heel clown shenanigans. Once Undertaker noticed him, however, he began to wrestle differently, more cautious and timid. He won but was spooked. Later, Paul Bearer revealed that Undertaker had a childhood fear of clowns, due to a traumatic event. Later, Taker would wrestle Adam Bomb on Raw and lose by count out, after Doink came to ringside with a bunch of black balloons. At Survivor Series, Doink played a part in Taker's elimination at the hands of Yokozuna (in this scenario, Yoko's team wins in the semi-main). At the Rumble, Taker would be alone in the ring at one point, when a casket was rolled to ringside. Cautiously, Paul Bearer opened it, only for 20 guys dressed as Doink to burst out, carrying balloons, water guns and other crazy clown weapons. One would squirt some sort of substance in Taker's eyes, blinding him, leading to a huge beatdown and Taker being eliminated. Finally, on Raw or Superstars, Doink would attack Paul Bearer, leading to Taker finally vowing to face his fears at WrestleMania X. At Mania, despite Doink employing every trick in the book, Undertaker made his comeback, popping the black balloons to reveal blood, which drenched Doink. Finally, a Tombstone would finish off the evil clown for good and Taker could move on to whatever was next for him. |
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Aug 2, 2022 16:07:49 GMT -5
I was at the Monday Nitro in October 1997 where the dark match was Nailz vs Yuji Nagata. Did WCW book shows by randomly drawing wrestlers’ names from a hat? If the rumors were true Eric Bischoff would apparently bring Nailz in from time to time for a one shot because he loved the whole "choking out Vince" incident. That was the rumor behind his appearance against Sting at Slamboree 1993 and this being the height of the Monday Night Wars I could easily see this being the case as well. |
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Post by bluebeach25 on Aug 2, 2022 16:16:47 GMT -5
If Bret vs Warrior was ever going to happen at that time, there is no way that Warrior would have done the job for Bret in early 93. I don't know. Warrior was good friends with Owen Hart, had a healthy respect for the Hart family at the time and not really a win/loss mark over and above getting paid. He took the L for Sgt Slaughter, agreed for a young Taker to stuff him into a casket, and further just went along with the Papa Shango curse crap. He was just happy with the extended program he had as Savage's tag partner at the time. His differences were mainly with Vince McMahon and not really the workers. Bret even mentions in his book that Warrior was really happy for Bret's championship win and congratulated him heartily when he wasn't expecting it. Everybody besides Austin got alomg with Owen it seems like. I still don't think Warrior would have ever layed down for Bret especially in early 93 and for a way smaller guy. Yes Warrior wasn't anywhere close to his pre-wm8 shape but still bigger and the size thing always was important back then. |
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Post by bluebeach25 on Aug 2, 2022 16:16:58 GMT -5
If Bret vs Warrior was ever going to happen at that time, there is no way that Warrior would have done the job for Bret in early 93. I don't know. Warrior was good friends with Owen Hart, had a healthy respect for the Hart family at the time and not really a win/loss mark over and above getting paid. He took the L for Sgt Slaughter, agreed for a young Taker to stuff him into a casket, and further just went along with the Papa Shango curse crap. He was just happy with the extended program he had as Savage's tag partner at the time. His differences were mainly with Vince McMahon and not really the workers. Bret even mentions in his book that Warrior was really happy for Bret's championship win and congratulated him heartily when he wasn't expecting it. Everybody besides Austin got alomg with Owen it seems like. I still don't think Warrior would have ever layed down for Bret especially in early 93 and for a way smaller guy. Yes Warrior wasn't anywhere close to his pre-wm8 shape but still bigger and the size thing always was important back then. |
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