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Post by karl100589 on Aug 23, 2022 23:20:40 GMT -5
Taka and the rest of Kaientai. They got over with the “Evil…Indeed” stuff.
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Post by sungod2020 on Aug 24, 2022 7:21:28 GMT -5
I disagree with a lot of these. They seem more like "who wasn't over with the IWC" than who was over with most fans. But, to each their own. What are we using to determine a wrestlers overness? How the crowd reacts to them? Their placement on the card that may or may not give the illusion that they were more over than they really were? How many people were watching when said individual was on? Mind you this was a time when the company almost always listened to it's fanbase on who to push and who not to push, mainly due to the threat of competition breathing down their neck. If guys like Tiger Ali Singh or Dan Severn were in fact over, why didn't they move up the card/featured on TV more? Because the audience waved their hands in the air every time The Oddities showed up, does that mean they were over, or was it their catchy theme and the ICP instructed them to? I do agree some guys could've been booked better during that time. The Jackyl for example could've had better material to work with since he was very colorful on the mic and his David Koresh character had loads of potential. More like missed opportunity. Hell, somebody here suggested he should've managed Dan Severn and promote him as a silent killer. Maybe you could even make Jackyl happy and have them as tag team champions(he wanted to wrestle more) and get them both over as a result. I think Gangrel might've had a cult following(with goths and wannabe vampires), but it would've been nice if he at least had a European title run. Perhaps he could've traded it with X-pac(who was IC champion over) a couple of times. But yeah, I think the names mentioned in the thread sounds right.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 24, 2022 8:21:04 GMT -5
To add to this thread, Jeff Jarrett comes to mind. At least until he got a haircut and ditched the Country Singer gimmick. Even then, it mostly came from his association with Debra and a maybe Owen Hart as well. He wasn't over on his own until the spring/summer of 99 after Owen Hart died and became IC champ three more times. His misogynistic character and feud with Chyna really amped up his heel character. that last run there is why I was always fine with Jeff Jarrett as WCW champ.
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Post by Bo Rida on Aug 24, 2022 8:47:03 GMT -5
Depending on what dates you use nearly everyone had a period of not being particularly over by the standards of the time. Even Foley had a slump around his infamous hiac match before becoming massively over.
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Post by Sephiroth on Aug 24, 2022 9:29:06 GMT -5
Taka and the rest of Kaientai. They got over with the “Evil…Indeed” stuff. That was post Attitufe Era though, wasn’t it? We were moving into Ruthless Aggression by the time they started that, or so I thought.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 24, 2022 9:49:09 GMT -5
They got over with the “Evil…Indeed” stuff. That was post Attitufe Era though, wasn’t it? We were moving into Ruthless Aggression by the time they started that, or so I thought. Taka was long gone by then. The dub gimmick was in 2000 or 2001.
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Post by Aceorton on Aug 24, 2022 10:05:07 GMT -5
Droz was always struggling to get over, it felt like. He finally seemed to be getting something going with the alt-'90s Lollapalooza gender-bending stuff when the accident happened.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Aug 24, 2022 12:06:49 GMT -5
Tiger Ali Singh.
There is no debate about him. You could tell D'Lo and Chaz hated being around him.
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Post by jason1980s on Aug 24, 2022 12:59:37 GMT -5
Tiger Ali Singh. There is no debate about him. You could tell D'Lo and Chaz hated being around him. He must have been signed to a shorter term but similar crazy Mark Henry type contract and WWF had to use him to get something out of him. WWF kept bringing him around (same for Brakkus) so many times despite never, ever connecting with fans. He was around mid to late 1997 (had a match with Lief Cassidy on the UK PPV). Came back summer 1998 doing skits like Million Dollar Man 1987 and he wasn't over. He was off TV for a while then brought back late 98/early 99 and filled in a spot in the Rumble and wasn't over. Then taken off TV for close to two years before suddenly reappearing and not long after in the Lo Down gimmick. I always wonder about a guy like Tiger who probably was a great wrestler but just didn't have any kind of entertainment value to connect with fans. I call them "Jim Ross Guys" like Furnas and LaFon. I'm thinking either Vince had a connection with Tiger's father from the old days or JR wanted him since he was a professional.
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Post by rocket on Aug 24, 2022 13:16:47 GMT -5
Test, outside of maybe two months or so in ‘99 But he was really over when associated with Stephanie. Once Triple H took her from him, he was done.
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Post by sungod2020 on Aug 24, 2022 13:40:27 GMT -5
To add to this thread, Jeff Jarrett comes to mind. At least until he got a haircut and ditched the Country Singer gimmick. Even then, it mostly came from his association with Debra and a maybe Owen Hart as well. He wasn't over on his own until the spring/summer of 99 after Owen Hart died and became IC champ three more times. His misogynistic character and feud with Chyna really amped up his heel character. that last run there is why I was always fine with Jeff Jarrett as WCW champ. I think the biggest complaint with Jeff Jarrett is he's not a "face of the company" type of guy. Everything about him from look to technicial prowress to character screams midcard, upper midcard on a good day. Plus, many criticize the decision to make him a full time main eventer was because of his friendship with Russo, who he followed to WCW the same time Russo left(it was like two weeks apart). I can see him flirting with the main event, MAYBE get a short World title run, but I wouldn't consider him the guy material. Unless someone can prove me otherwise.
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Post by agent817 on Aug 24, 2022 13:55:57 GMT -5
Yet he was prominently featured on UK PPVs for some strange reason.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Aug 24, 2022 14:54:06 GMT -5
Marc Mero? Arguably, it was Sable, and later Jaqueline accompanying him who were over. Had Mero competed solo I think he'd have had very little reaction.
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Post by wildojinx on Aug 24, 2022 16:03:18 GMT -5
He left during the AE, but I dont remember much notable from Vader during this time.
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Post by karl100589 on Aug 24, 2022 16:08:09 GMT -5
Tiger Ali Singh. There is no debate about him. You could tell D'Lo and Chaz hated being around him. The worst part was Lo Down were starting to get over as an undercard face team. The heel turn and Singh partnership killed all their momentum.
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Post by XIII on Aug 24, 2022 16:18:02 GMT -5
Yo, Tiger Ali Singh and Babu sucked. I forgot about this clown. Just what the world needed an Indian(?) version of DiBiase and Virgil that did nothing.
But hey he had that lady deepthroat a kielbasa that time so there’s that.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 24, 2022 17:28:03 GMT -5
that last run there is why I was always fine with Jeff Jarrett as WCW champ. I think the biggest complaint with Jeff Jarrett is he's not a "face of the company" type of guy. Everything about him from look to technicial prowress to character screams midcard, upper midcard on a good day. Plus, many criticize the decision to make him a full time main eventer was because of his friendship with Russo, who he followed to WCW the same time Russo left(it was like two weeks apart). I can see him flirting with the main event, MAYBE get a short World title run, but I wouldn't consider him the guy material. Unless someone can prove me otherwise. I see where you're coming from. My counterpoint would be that not every main event guys needs to be The Guy as much as A Guy or at least "the guy who fights The Guy", and Jarrett fits into the second and third categories pretty well. Hes absolutely not the guy you should be building your company around, though.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Aug 24, 2022 18:59:29 GMT -5
Mideon. Had multiple ppv matches with good workers and stunk up the joint each time
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Post by johnnyk9 on Aug 24, 2022 19:02:59 GMT -5
Flash Funk/ 2 Cold Scorpio
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Post by rrg251 on Aug 24, 2022 23:05:58 GMT -5
Brawl For All has come up in this thread, but no one has mentioned Bart Gunn specifically. Poor guy thought he was going to get a huge push out of the thing and it was just crickets from both fans and Creative.
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