Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 24, 2022 20:47:50 GMT -5
I don't remember ever hearing of anyone getting good paydays in Memphis unless your name was Lawler or Jarrett. Goes beyond that though, Jarrett had to rub it in. Story goes Austin was in the locker room looking at his pathetic pay. Jarrett walked by and said "Staring at it aint gonna make it bigger" and laughed. So if Austin held a grudge against that little daddies boy for that I dont blame him. I love telling this story, because I can always preface by saying, "everyone in this story is an asshole and rich now, so we can enjoy Austin's revenge without feeling bad for anyone." |
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Post by jason1980s on Nov 24, 2022 20:59:00 GMT -5
I feel bad for Bossman from his second WWF. If he had lived past 2010 or so he'd come back to a huge pop. It's a shame he spent the last few years of his life with this "Bossman Heat BS." I personally blame Bull Buchanan. Bossman was still pretty hated, in a good way before teaming with Bull. How a young John Cena survived being paired with Bull speak volumes to how talented John is.
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Post by Fade on Nov 25, 2022 0:19:08 GMT -5
If it counts, British Bulldog didn’t feel super over when he came back. Jacquelyn wasn’t super over. Big Show got to a point he wasn’t over, not on him though. Bull Buchanan. I can’t speak pre-98 but looking at the rosters, almost everyone is over or had phases and stretches of time of being over.
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Post by government mule on Nov 25, 2022 6:06:16 GMT -5
Yeah jeans Bulldog was definitely not over and although it was amusing at the time, in hindsight I feel so sorry for the dude, almost unable to move, doped up and roided to the gills.
Also the Patriot was a gimmick 12 years too late, even in '97!
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Post by Cyno on Nov 25, 2022 13:18:35 GMT -5
Essa Rios. The most people reacted to him was when Lita was his valet. And I reckon that reaction was 95% Lita. It's telling the guy practically disappeared once Lita joined the Hardys.
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Post by sungod2020 on Nov 25, 2022 14:27:07 GMT -5
Essa Rios. The most people reacted to him was when Lita was his valet. And I reckon that reaction was 95% Lita. It's telling the guy practically disappeared once Lita joined the Hardys. Wasn't it moreso due to the fact that he refused to learn English? Not that it would get him over anyway since the whole light heavyweight division was ignored, but it would've helped him last longer, even if it was just on Heat/Metal. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 25, 2022 14:54:49 GMT -5
Essa Rios. The most people reacted to him was when Lita was his valet. And I reckon that reaction was 95% Lita. It's telling the guy practically disappeared once Lita joined the Hardys. Wasn't it moreso due to the fact that he refused to learn English? Not that it would get him over anyway since the whole light heavyweight division was ignored, but it would've helped him last longer, even if it was just on Heat/Metal. I'd think that, he'd been kept around in a couple of gimmicks for a couple of years, so clearly they saw something in him at one point, but it didn't work out. He was one of my favourite guys to use in No Mercy, magnificent moonsault. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 25, 2022 15:01:55 GMT -5
I feel bad for Bossman from his second WWF. If he had lived past 2010 or so he'd come back to a huge pop. It's a shame he spent the last few years of his life with this "Bossman Heat BS." I personally blame Bull Buchanan. Bossman was still pretty hated, in a good way before teaming with Bull. How a young John Cena survived being paired with Bull speak volumes to how talented John is. Man you really hate Bull Buchanan don't you. Also those two teams you mentioned were extremely short lived. Boss Man and Bull were only a team for like three months and as much as I love Boss Man he was pretty washed up by that point and really didn't have much left in the tank. Cena and Bull I think was even more short lived as I think they lasted like two months if even that. |
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Post by msc on Nov 25, 2022 15:03:21 GMT -5
Crowds might not have cheered for Bossman but he was over like rover among me and my friends at the time. Not just for his outlandish storylines but his OTT heel moveset, his reactions to everything, his 4th wall breaking. He does that character in the last decade, he's an internet hero.
The end of the Fully Loaded match cracks me up. Bossman has to jog back to ringside while his music plays, finally gets there to boos and celebrates like he's getting a standing ovation.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Nov 25, 2022 18:27:51 GMT -5
Austin personally heavily disliked Jarrett because he was breaking in, his dad paid him basically nothing at all in Memphis while Jeff was the big star because the booker was his daddy. I don't remember ever hearing of anyone getting good paydays in Memphis unless your name was Lawler or Jarrett. A personality who shall not be named had a story in one of his shoot interviews about Jerry Jarrett telling the USWA locker room about the agreement with the WWF, and because it was the era of drug testing to get off any drugs or steroids they might be on, to which Dutch Mantell responded, "Jerry, the way you're paying us, we're not even on food." |
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Post by XIII on Nov 25, 2022 18:41:03 GMT -5
Yeah jeans Bulldog was definitely not over and although it was amusing at the time, in hindsight I feel so sorry for the dude, almost unable to move, doped up and roided to the gills. Also the Patriot was a gimmick 12 years too late, even in '97! Literally all that I remember about this run is him wearing the awful jeans and getting a rock bottom into a pile of shit. Illustrious end for the Bulldog for sure. |
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Post by jason1980s on Nov 25, 2022 23:23:39 GMT -5
I feel bad for Bossman from his second WWF. If he had lived past 2010 or so he'd come back to a huge pop. It's a shame he spent the last few years of his life with this "Bossman Heat BS." I personally blame Bull Buchanan. Bossman was still pretty hated, in a good way before teaming with Bull. How a young John Cena survived being paired with Bull speak volumes to how talented John is. Man you really hate Bull Buchanan don't you. I don't hate him. I'm probably a bit too harsh with what I think of him though. I just feel like, if your job is that of an entertainer you should be entertaining the fans. He didn't do that in the least. He wasn't even a good wrestler. He was probably some Jim Ross prodigy hoss that he signed to some insane contract that Vince couldn't get out of and they just kept having to find a new gimmick and a new gimmick for him. And nothing worked. B2 was somewhat decent but only because Cena was young and hungry and being attached to Cena rubbed off a little on him. I think the same of him as early Bob Holly, Bradshaw, Fatu. Gimmick after gimmick after gimmick and these guys couldn't get over. Luckily they found something that worked because I thought WWF should have just parted ways around 1997 for Fatu and Holly and maybe 98 for Bradshaw. Crush and Viscera were two others who should have been future endeavored. The Harris Brothers also, no way those guys should have ever gotten to have a third gimmick. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 25, 2022 23:25:39 GMT -5
Yeah jeans Bulldog was definitely not over and although it was amusing at the time, in hindsight I feel so sorry for the dude, almost unable to move, doped up and roided to the gills. Also the Patriot was a gimmick 12 years too late, even in '97! Literally all that I remember about this run is him wearing the awful jeans and getting a rock bottom into a pile of shit. Illustrious end for the Bulldog for sure. It's so sad because he was at his best when he left in 1997. Dude still had some size but was healthy and could move. It was the perfect balance. Then he got hurt and the drug issues got worse and time passed him by. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 23:53:35 GMT -5
From my memories of going to shows in that era, Kane was over as all hell during his first few months, and the crowds (at least in my area) could not have possibly cared less about Ahmed Johnson.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 26, 2022 7:13:29 GMT -5
Man you really hate Bull Buchanan don't you. I don't hate him. I'm probably a bit too harsh with what I think of him though. I just feel like, if your job is that of an entertainer you should be entertaining the fans. He didn't do that in the least. He wasn't even a good wrestler. He was probably some Jim Ross prodigy hoss that he signed to some insane contract that Vince couldn't get out of and they just kept having to find a new gimmick and a new gimmick for him. And nothing worked. B2 was somewhat decent but only because Cena was young and hungry and being attached to Cena rubbed off a little on him. I think the same of him as early Bob Holly, Bradshaw, Fatu. Gimmick after gimmick after gimmick and these guys couldn't get over. Luckily they found something that worked because I thought WWF should have just parted ways around 1997 for Fatu and Holly and maybe 98 for Bradshaw. Crush and Viscera were two others who should have been future endeavored. The Harris Brothers also, no way those guys should have ever gotten to have a third gimmick. Crush quit after Montreal so wasn't around for much of the attitude era proper. |
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Post by Main Eventer on Nov 26, 2022 16:35:56 GMT -5
The Public Enemy.
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Post by sungod2020 on Nov 28, 2022 11:04:31 GMT -5
With them being buried on commentary and looking like punks by The Acolytes, of course they weren't going to get over(both in winning matches and by the fans). Too Much was struggling to get over until they were repackaged as Too Cool. |
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 28, 2022 11:29:50 GMT -5
Once The Brood broke up Gangrel couldn’t get a crowd response even with an awesome entrance..
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Post by jason1980s on Nov 28, 2022 11:35:50 GMT -5
Once The Brood broke up Gangrel couldn’t get a crowd response even with an awesome entrance.. I never really saw Billy as the standout of the two but I guess management did so they made him more of the focal point with Sunny in 96. The Gunns were good but they really benefited from lack of true teams in 94-96 and after there return from injury in January 95 were either tag champs or almost always in the hunt. |
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 28, 2022 11:42:01 GMT -5
Once The Brood broke up Gangrel couldn’t get a crowd response even with an awesome entrance.. I never really saw Billy as the standout of the two but I guess management did so they made him more of the focal point with Sunny in 96. The Gunns were good but they really benefited from lack of true teams in 94-96 and after there return from injury in January 95 were either tag champs or almost always in the hunt. Edited my comment after seeing he’d already been brought up. IMO Bart could have made a solid Aditya on to the hardcore title picture, his match with Bob Holly is actually a favorite of mine for the hardcore title. Beyond that, he could still have been paired with any number of other talents to form a new lower card team. |
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