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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 7, 2022 15:46:04 GMT -5
Earthquake was 27 during his biggest feud against Hulk Hogan. I would've guessed he was in his late 30s. I'm surprised to learn Virgil was 40 when he broke away(and eventually feuded with) from Ted Dibiase. I always thought he was in his late 20s(and his bios always suggested that). It also meant that he started his wrestling career late(in his mid 30s). That was back at a time when most guys careers were winding down. That's interesting as Virgil was always listed as having a 1962 birthday meaning he would've been 29 when he was feuding with Dibiase which to me sounds much more likely. However now his Wikipedia says he was born in 1951. So I guess it could be either someone incorrectly edited his page or Virgil lied about his age and said he was eleven years younger then he actually was to get employment similar to Ahmed Johnson who said he was born in 1970 when in reality he was born in 1963. I think he was born in 62. Like there was no way he three years older then Dibiase for instance. Hell if he was born in 51 that means in the summer of 1991 he would've been the sixth oldest guy on the roster behind only Slaughter, Snuka, Colonel Mustafa/Iron Sheik, and the Bushwhackers which to me sounds very far fetched.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 7, 2022 15:58:43 GMT -5
Earthquake was 27 during his biggest feud against Hulk Hogan. I would've guessed he was in his late 30s. I'm surprised to learn Virgil was 40 when he broke away(and eventually feuded with) from Ted Dibiase. I always thought he was in his late 20s(and his bios always suggested that). It also meant that he started his wrestling career late(in his mid 30s). That was back at a time when most guys careers were winding down. That's interesting as Virgil was always listed as having a 1962 birthday meaning he would've been 29 when he was feuding with Dibiase which to me sounds much more likely. However now his Wikipedia says he was born in 1951. So I guess it could be either someone incorrectly edited his page or Virgil lied about his age and said he was eleven years younger then he actually was to get employment similar to Ahmed Johnson who said he was born in 1970 when in reality he was born in 1963. I think he was born in 62. Like there was no way he three years older then Dibiase for instance. Hell if he was born in 51 that means in the summer of 1991 he would've been the sixth oldest guy on the roster behind only Slaughter, Snuka, Colonel Mustafa/Iron Sheik, and the Bushwhackers which to me sounds very far fetched. This article here has him at 1951. slamwrestling.net/index.php/2022/07/12/mat-matters-setting-the-record-straight-on-virgils-current-circumstances/He'd have been older, but still only around 40, and with only a few years in the business, including 2-3 years in a 90% non wrestling role so a lot fewer miles on his body than those other guys so I can believe the older date.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Nov 7, 2022 16:22:22 GMT -5
It does blow my mind that Hogan was like 40 when he showed up in WCW. All that spray tan and clinging to the Friar Tuck hair aged him horribly.
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Post by sungod2020 on Nov 7, 2022 16:28:36 GMT -5
Earthquake was 27 during his biggest feud against Hulk Hogan. I would've guessed he was in his late 30s. I'm surprised to learn Virgil was 40 when he broke away(and eventually feuded with) from Ted Dibiase. I always thought he was in his late 20s(and his bios always suggested that). It also meant that he started his wrestling career late(in his mid 30s). That was back at a time when most guys careers were winding down. That's interesting as Virgil was always listed as having a 1962 birthday meaning he would've been 29 when he was feuding with Dibiase which to me sounds much more likely. However now his Wikipedia says he was born in 1951. So I guess it could be either someone incorrectly edited his page or Virgil lied about his age and said he was eleven years younger then he actually was to get employment similar to Ahmed Johnson who said he was born in 1970 when in reality he was born in 1963. I think he was born in 62. Like there was no way he three years older then Dibiase for instance. Hell if he was born in 51 that means in the summer of 1991 he would've been the sixth oldest guy on the roster behind only Slaughter, Snuka, Colonel Mustafa/Iron Sheik, and the Bushwhackers which to me sounds very far fetched. According to wikipedia, Ahmed Johnson's 1963 birth date sounds correct given he start wrestling in 1989, which would've made him 25/26. I don't know how Ahmed would've gotten away with saying he was seven years younger than he really was. Hasn't anybody in the WWF done research on him first? Then again, starting at 18/19 doesn't sound too much of a stretch, especially since he also played for the Dallas Cowboys in the early 90s. I know this may sound like a stupid question, but in wrestling, do you have to send any paperwork that confirms your identity(like your social security number)? How would they hiring process go?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 16:32:39 GMT -5
Another comparison for Michael Hayes. He was the retired, old looking commentator.. who was only 2 years older than in his prime world champion Bret Hart. Even more so, actually. He was the retired commentator who was 2 years YOUNGER than in his prime world champion Bret Hart! Hayes was born in 1959, same year as Haku, Sting and Kevin Nash! Speaking of Nash, let this sink in: "Do we want old man Patterson here with his finger on the button!?" "I'm only 2 years older than you!"
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 7, 2022 16:46:47 GMT -5
That's interesting as Virgil was always listed as having a 1962 birthday meaning he would've been 29 when he was feuding with Dibiase which to me sounds much more likely. However now his Wikipedia says he was born in 1951. So I guess it could be either someone incorrectly edited his page or Virgil lied about his age and said he was eleven years younger then he actually was to get employment similar to Ahmed Johnson who said he was born in 1970 when in reality he was born in 1963. I think he was born in 62. Like there was no way he three years older then Dibiase for instance. Hell if he was born in 51 that means in the summer of 1991 he would've been the sixth oldest guy on the roster behind only Slaughter, Snuka, Colonel Mustafa/Iron Sheik, and the Bushwhackers which to me sounds very far fetched. According to wikipedia, Ahmed Johnson's 1963 birth date sounds correct given he start wrestling in 1989, which would've made him 25/26. I don't know how Ahmed would've gotten away with saying he was seven years younger than he really was. Hasn't anybody in the WWF done research on him first? Then again, starting at 18/19 doesn't sound too much of a stretch, especially since he also played for the Dallas Cowboys in the early 90s. I know this may sound like a stupid question, but in wrestling, do you have to send any paperwork that confirms your identity(like your social security number)? How would they hiring process go? There's no way you would be able to get with it now. I know the Boogeyman tried doing it when he was trying out for Tough Enough and they found it and he was dropped from the competition. Although they ended up hiring him anyways not much later so it ended up not mattering. I'm sure in the 80's it wasn't as thorough as far the paperwork and research goes. However by 1995 which is the year Ahmed was hired when the WWF was one of the only few games in town I would think they would do more thorough background checks. However Ahmed got away with it so maybe not.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 7, 2022 19:17:39 GMT -5
According to wikipedia, Ahmed Johnson's 1963 birth date sounds correct given he start wrestling in 1989, which would've made him 25/26. I don't know how Ahmed would've gotten away with saying he was seven years younger than he really was. Hasn't anybody in the WWF done research on him first? Then again, starting at 18/19 doesn't sound too much of a stretch, especially since he also played for the Dallas Cowboys in the early 90s. I know this may sound like a stupid question, but in wrestling, do you have to send any paperwork that confirms your identity(like your social security number)? How would they hiring process go? There's no way you would be able to get with it now. I know the Boogeyman tried doing it when he was trying out for Tough Enough and they found it and he was dropped from the competition. Although they ended up hiring him anyways not much later so it ended up not mattering. I'm sure in the 80's it wasn't as thorough as far the paperwork and research goes. However by 1995 which is the year Ahmed was hired when the WWF was one of the only few games in town I would think they would do more thorough background checks. However Ahmed got away with it so maybe not. This is around the time Jeff Hardy wrestled for WWF when he was 16, so yeah, the background checks could be pretty damn lax. I think Chief Jay Strongbow was in charge of that at the time, and he was apparently very lazy and would delegate finding talent to appear on shows to other people and just pay them a portion of what he was paid for it. I also suspect that Vince and co. liked how Ahmed looked enough to not pry too much, especially since this is when Watts was part of the office, I think, and Bill Watts had a history of pushing big black men as top faces. Ahmed had to look pretty promising to him.
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Post by 06vwgti on Nov 7, 2022 20:39:40 GMT -5
According to wikipedia, Ahmed Johnson's 1963 birth date sounds correct given he start wrestling in 1989, which would've made him 25/26. I don't know how Ahmed would've gotten away with saying he was seven years younger than he really was. Hasn't anybody in the WWF done research on him first? Then again, starting at 18/19 doesn't sound too much of a stretch, especially since he also played for the Dallas Cowboys in the early 90s. I know this may sound like a stupid question, but in wrestling, do you have to send any paperwork that confirms your identity(like your social security number)? How would they hiring process go? There's no way you would be able to get with it now. I know the Boogeyman tried doing it when he was trying out for Tough Enough and they found it and he was dropped from the competition. Although they ended up hiring him anyways not much later so it ended up not mattering. I'm sure in the 80's it wasn't as thorough as far the paperwork and research goes. However by 1995 which is the year Ahmed was hired when the WWF was one of the only few games in town I would think they would do more thorough background checks. However Ahmed got away with it so maybe not. I think if it was a foreign born wrestler, I can see it possibly happening. Something like what happened in baseball with players from the Dominican Republic. But even then, there hasn't been an age scandal in years so maybe things have gotten tighter. I will always remember Devil Rays had a few players in the scandal, but one player in particular ended up actually being a year younger lol One that surprised me for having a deceiving age for me was Molly Holly, she had her match vs Jacqueline on Heat when just 21 years old and retired after 2005. She's only three years older than Shayna Baszler and Beth Phoenix and younger than Trish Stratus.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 7, 2022 20:48:40 GMT -5
There's no way you would be able to get with it now. I know the Boogeyman tried doing it when he was trying out for Tough Enough and they found it and he was dropped from the competition. Although they ended up hiring him anyways not much later so it ended up not mattering. I'm sure in the 80's it wasn't as thorough as far the paperwork and research goes. However by 1995 which is the year Ahmed was hired when the WWF was one of the only few games in town I would think they would do more thorough background checks. However Ahmed got away with it so maybe not. I think if it was a foreign born wrestler, I can see it possibly happening. Something like what happened in baseball with players from the Dominican Republic. But even then, there hasn't been an age scandal in years so maybe things have gotten tighter. One that surprised me for having a deceiving age for me was Molly Holly, she had her match vs Jacqueline on Heat when just 21 years old and retired after 2005. She's only three years older than Shayna Baszler and Beth Phoenix and younger than Trish Stratus. Molly is a good one. Not that she didn't look good or anything because she did but I was really surprised when I found out she was born in 77 meaning she was in her early to mid 20's her whole WWF run. Like you said you wouldn't think of her being a few years younger then Trish. I guess maybe because she was a much more seasoned wrestler then then the model type girls like Trish and Torrie it just made her feel older when in reality she wasn't.
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Post by J. Hova on Nov 7, 2022 21:41:14 GMT -5
R-Truth has aged like 2 years in the past twenty.
Ric Flair looked the same age for like 15 years and then aged 25 years in like 18 months once he got to the WWE the second time around.
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Post by Ozman on Nov 7, 2022 21:43:08 GMT -5
Sean Waltman just turned 50 this year. That means he was only 30 when his WWE run ended in 2002. So, during his entire career in both WWF and WCW, he was in his 20s!!!
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Nov 7, 2022 22:17:52 GMT -5
As a kid Ric Flair always looked old to me because he had white hair
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Post by jason1980s on Nov 8, 2022 0:19:22 GMT -5
As Mozenrath said, I'm sure Vince loved Ahmed's look and Watts probably liked him too so they wouldn't likely care about his age. He could be 50 with that look and they'd still hire him, talent be damned.
As for Virgil, the person helping him right now was interviewed for a Slam Wrestling article and said that he was born in the early 50s and that the early 60s birthdate was always incorrect. He really never looked older at all until recently with his many health problems. The guy helping him I believe has Virgil living with him now. Years ago my father was doing sports card shows and had Virgil call me on my father's cell phone. I'm shocked he didn't charge for that. LOL. He even gave my father his email and phone number though I never called. I wish I had, I do feel awful about his current condition. I never felt too bad about paying him for 8x10s years earlier because he really was one of my favorites as a kid.
Adding to the last post, I also thought Flair was super old because of the hair. Even my grandfather who would have been 55 or so when I first started watching in 1990 thought Flair was even older than him.
Sensational Sherri's birth year has been noted as 1958, which it still is but somewhere years ago cited it as 1952. I think 1958 is the accurate but either one could be believable as she always had a more mature look about her.
This is a fun thread. Could be wrong but I didn't see Bam Bam mentioned? A lot of those big guys mentioned earlier just looked so much older.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 8, 2022 0:56:40 GMT -5
William Regal always came off a lot older to me then he actually was. I remember being really surprised when I found out he was born in 1968. That means he was only in his mid twenties during the peak of his WCW run. Like I never would've guessed some of the youngsters who were coming into WCW around 1995 like Benoit and Guerrero were a year older then him.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 8, 2022 2:34:17 GMT -5
This is a fun thread. Could be wrong but I didn't see Bam Bam mentioned? A lot of those big guys mentioned earlier just looked so much older. I think big guys get this a lots, Andre, Taker and Big Show were all at the top shockingly young.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 8, 2022 3:16:54 GMT -5
people, in wrestling especially, also just seemed to look older at a younger age in the past. Developments in just general wellness help... but a lot of the really hard life grind of wrestling being gone helps the wrestlers too.
They aren't wrestling like 2 times a day and 3 on sundays... which lead to a lot of the pills and booze to get through it. (not that the travel schedule isn't still rough but it's not really comparable)
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Post by nobody on Nov 8, 2022 3:23:26 GMT -5
Bruce Prichard is only 59. That to me is insane given he seems to have been around forever. If i’ve done my maths correctly he was only 27 when he started managing The Undertaker.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Nov 8, 2022 3:28:31 GMT -5
AJ is 45, Miz is 42, Lashley is 46 and they all look great.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 8, 2022 4:13:40 GMT -5
Judy Martin at Royal Rumble 89 ? She was like 35 and looked at least 70.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 8, 2022 4:14:56 GMT -5
Bruce Prichard is only 59. That to me is insane given he seems to have been around forever. If i’ve done my maths correctly he was only 27 when he started managing The Undertaker. Managers and fat guys (Earthquake, Boss Man, Akeem) seem to be the most common for guys who seemed way older then what they were. Jim Cornette, Paul E. Dangerously, and Harvey Wippleman are other examples of managers who were deceptively very young. Wippleman was only 26 when he managed Sid at Wretlemania VIII and I'm pretty sure was the youngest on screen talent they had at that point.
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