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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 20, 2022 21:54:05 GMT -5
Enzo is a rapist. He was never "found innocent." What was the details of this case? Anything besides “he said, she said” shit? Granted I wouldn’t be surprised if it were true and he is a weirdo for hanging out with 19 year olds, but unless it’s a case where there are multiple accusers coming forward or concrete evidence I feel like calling someone a rapist is too much. If I remember correctly he was basically accused of rape and obviously WWE told him stay home, let us work this out and just stay out of trouble. He threw a big stink and got fired What came out I believe was, it was all consensual, however the girl he was hanging out with was someone he did drugs with and she was relatively young. I don't remember if she was underaged which obviously if she was she is not old enough to give consent and that is rape But yeah, all things considered he would probably kept his job in WWE if he was patient. They would made him go to rehab but he didn't listen
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 20, 2022 21:56:59 GMT -5
What is funny on Low-Ki and Aries is both were basically on their best behavior in their time in WWE and left before they could burn that bridge by asking for their release
Aries in general was getting over big and should been someone to beat PAC for the title. If Aries wasn't such a dumb ass he basically had a job in whatever they needed him for as he was a good commentator in the time after he broke his orbital bone and I am sure they would probably had him as a trainer as well
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 21, 2022 2:35:16 GMT -5
What is funny on Low-Ki and Aries is both were basically on their best behavior in their time in WWE and left before they could burn that bridge by asking for their release Aries in general was getting over big and should been someone to beat PAC for the title. If Aries wasn't such a dumb ass he basically had a job in whatever they needed him for as he was a good commentator in the time after he broke his orbital bone and I am sure they would probably had him as a trainer as well Aries is an interesting what-if, if he had stuck it out. I can't say I am tearing up over him, but had he stuck around, he'd have maybe been ingrained enough to escape Speaking Out allegations getting him fired, given how much WWE dragged their heels on some guys. though maybe he'd have cost himself by repeatedly picking fights with people saying to wear masks.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 21, 2022 8:17:25 GMT -5
What is funny on Low-Ki and Aries is both were basically on their best behavior in their time in WWE and left before they could burn that bridge by asking for their release Aries in general was getting over big and should been someone to beat PAC for the title. If Aries wasn't such a dumb ass he basically had a job in whatever they needed him for as he was a good commentator in the time after he broke his orbital bone and I am sure they would probably had him as a trainer as well Aries is an interesting what-if, if he had stuck it out. I can't say I am tearing up over him, but had he stuck around, he'd have maybe been ingrained enough to escape Speaking Out allegations getting him fired, given how much WWE dragged their heels on some guys. though maybe he'd have cost himself by repeatedly picking fights with people saying to wear masks. He would eventually got himself fired. He either would pulled an Enzo when they told him go home and he says no or his mouth in general would been too reckless and they would fired him
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 21, 2022 8:25:10 GMT -5
Aries is an interesting what-if, if he had stuck it out. I can't say I am tearing up over him, but had he stuck around, he'd have maybe been ingrained enough to escape Speaking Out allegations getting him fired, given how much WWE dragged their heels on some guys. though maybe he'd have cost himself by repeatedly picking fights with people saying to wear masks. He would eventually got himself fired. He either would pulled an Enzo when they told him go home and he says no or his mouth in general would been too reckless and they would fired him You're likely right. I don't think his ego would have allowed him to play a supporting role, anyway. If he didn't quit them, it'd have happened later on.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Dec 21, 2022 9:49:50 GMT -5
Is EC3 now on this list after the dumpster fire that was CYN? I also think it's hilarious that 90% of the guys that have been named in this thread work for or have previously worked for MLW. I wouldn't really say EC3 applies. He's still getting work in NWA and if he eased off on pumping literally every steroid into his body I could see him popping up in NXT or doing some Dark work or something. I was a big EC3 fan during his TNA run. I hoped for big things for him in WWE that just never came. I don't want him to be on this list, I hope he can still show up somewhere and do something. I'm just not sure how much damage CYN did to his reputation.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Dec 21, 2022 10:16:43 GMT -5
I know that's been the rumor for years, and trust me I am in no way giving him a pass if that's what happened, but was this ever proven true? Or is this Savage/Steph territory where it sounds like a juicy story and nobody has ever denied it, so it must be true? I have discussed the Maff/Homicide issue before on these boards and nobody has any evidence either way. I also find it strange that Homicide is working with Maff again. Because if it was my underage relative, we are NEVER working together again. Homicide did go in a social media rant back then basically saying he would not work with anybody booking Maff nor would any of his students (which back then was a big deal) and flat out called Maff a pedophile. In recent years he said he and Maff quelled their beef so who knows what happened I didn't know that. Or if I did years ago I had forgotten about it.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Dec 21, 2022 13:25:38 GMT -5
John Laurinaitis. I hope his wife divorces him and takes him to the cleaners and he's relegated to working shindies in high school gyms for $100 a shot. But realistically he probably has millions and millions saved away. It's not like he needs the wrestling business anyway.
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 21, 2022 14:12:56 GMT -5
Chris Dickinson he was getting looks from bigger companies but the Speaking Out allegations (theyre true I believe, he has a bad temper, I've mentioned it a lot but I personally saw him assault Jimmy Lloyd for no reason at a GCW show) torpedoed him getting in with AEW. Shame on NJPW for keeping him on in Strong though.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Dec 21, 2022 15:25:20 GMT -5
Simon Gotch? He seems to have a pretty negative reputation. It sounds like he has an attitude or personality that just clashes in locker rooms. When I use to referee I actually heard one first hand account about how aloof and unappreciative he is.🤷♂️ My guess is that it isn't a coincidence that he hasn't been back in WWE or ever been in AEW or Impact. He had a okay run in MLW for a few tapings seeing how they brought in nZo he probably won’t be back anytime soon. He was there for more than a few tapings, he was part of Team Filthy and one of the initial members of CONTRA Unit (even if he got deemphasized), Gotch was there for three years (leaving last January) and nZo only debuted in MLW last November.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 21, 2022 15:50:20 GMT -5
I think Ryback might be on this list because I doubt WWE will ever bring him back and AEW doesn't want anything to do with him either. Why? Also adding the name Michael Elgin to the mix, it doesn't look like he's going to be employed anywhere major in the future. At least not in Japan. He’s screwed up every shot given to him there. And he’s probably not legally allowed back in.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 21, 2022 15:51:58 GMT -5
Simon Gotch? He seems to have a pretty negative reputation. It sounds like he has an attitude or personality that just clashes in locker rooms. When I use to referee I actually heard one first hand account about how aloof and unappreciative he is.🤷♂️ My guess is that it isn't a coincidence that he hasn't been back in WWE or ever been in AEW or Impact. He’s one of the most prominent foreign wrestlers in Pro Wrestling NOAH right now.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 21, 2022 16:04:44 GMT -5
Chris Dickinson he was getting looks from bigger companies but the Speaking Out allegations (theyre true I believe, he has a bad temper, I've mentioned it a lot but I personally saw him assault Jimmy Lloyd for no reason at a GCW show) torpedoed him getting in with AEW. Shame on NJPW for keeping him on in Strong though. I remember back when CZW was really hot in the mid 2010s and they were pushing Dickenson heavily to be the guy to dethrone Masada as champ. CZW ran their first show back at the ECW Arena when it went back to a wrestling venue, and Dickenson was so mad at heckling he got from Philly fans, CZW was told by the Arena owners that Dickenson was not welcome back at the venue, and CZW basically stopped booking him because word of the incident got to the Philadelphia Flyers and CZW ran shows at their skate zone and they were told they didn't want him at their facilities either. Took Dickenson years to build his reputation up again. Then you had the Kimber Lee Spot a few years ago from Beyond which took again years to recover from, and while he's still on Strong, his allegations have basically caused him to have tours with New Japan cancelled. Gotch has a very high opinion of himself but he seems to be exclusively wrestling for NOAH
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Dec 21, 2022 18:47:06 GMT -5
A name I don't think has been mentioned yet is "Hannibal/Blood Hunter" Devon Nicholson, especially since the "referee incident" laat year.
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Post by Fundertaker on Dec 21, 2022 18:52:37 GMT -5
Then you had the Kimber Lee Spot a few years ago from Beyond which took again years to recover from, and while he's still on Strong, his allegations have basically caused him to have tours with New Japan cancelled. He hasn't been seen since the title challenge in the September tapings, so I think it's safe to say he's not "still on Strong".
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 21, 2022 18:58:11 GMT -5
He was in MLW and I think did some New Japan Strong but I think he's semi retired. But... yes between the NXT stuff and how he acted in ROH most places are/were hesitant to work with him ACH is a great example of having a legit grievance and getting people on your side only to completely handle it the absolute worst way possible to the point to where you come off actually worse then the people he was rightfully mad against. See Also : Alberto del Knifefight.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 21, 2022 19:02:43 GMT -5
Mostly for being an asshole who thinks he's the biggest deal in the universe, though being an anti-masker didn't help matters any. He also at this point has probably aged out of people thinking he's worth the headache. There are a lot of young wrestlers out there, many of whom can do a lot of what he can do, but they won't do shit like wear gear they were told not to wear, throw a fit if told to finish a match with an injured opponent before they got all their spots in, etc. That said, I have never heard anyone suggest he, like, gets handsy with people or anything untoward. Maybe he does and I haven't seen it, but it's more like a Warrior situation than anything else. Makes sense. Like, I totally get why most promoters would have a "thanks, but no" policy with him. I just wasn't sure if I'd missed a sex or racism scandal or something. He, along with Aries, managed to burn their bridges with MLW, which kind of _makes its bones_ on being a last chance reclamation area for disgraced wrestlers (eg : TJP, nZo, Teddy Hart, who also burnt his bridge with them by being a complete psychopath).
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 21, 2022 19:13:21 GMT -5
What was the details of this case? Anything besides “he said, she said” shit? Granted I wouldn’t be surprised if it were true and he is a weirdo for hanging out with 19 year olds, but unless it’s a case where there are multiple accusers coming forward or concrete evidence I feel like calling someone a rapist is too much. If I remember correctly he was basically accused of rape and obviously WWE told him stay home, let us work this out and just stay out of trouble. He threw a big stink and got fired. Not quite. The police let Enzo know that he was under investigation, and Enzo didn't tell WWE. WWE found out with everyone else when the story got some mainstream press. They let him go real quick after that.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 21, 2022 19:18:19 GMT -5
If I remember correctly he was basically accused of rape and obviously WWE told him stay home, let us work this out and just stay out of trouble. He threw a big stink and got fired. Not quite. The police let Enzo know that he was under investigation, and Enzo didn't tell WWE. WWE found out with everyone else when the story got some mainstream press. They let him go real quick after that. Right you are correct I completely forgot about he knew and didn't tell WWE
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 21, 2022 19:20:23 GMT -5
Not quite. The police let Enzo know that he was under investigation, and Enzo didn't tell WWE. WWE found out with everyone else when the story got some mainstream press. They let him go real quick after that. Right you are correct I completely forgot about he knew and didn't tell WWE Which was literally the dumbest thing Enzo could have possibly done, considering the precedents set by Lawler and Heath Slater.
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