Wrestlers effectively blackballed/banned from the majors?

[XaviersSS2015hair]

Dec 21, 2022 19:20:23 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Dec 21, 2022 19:18:19 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Right you are correct I completely forgot about he knew and didn't tell WWE

Which was literally the dumbest thing Enzo could have possibly done, considering the precedents set by Lawler and Heath Slater.

Wait, what happened with Heath?

[Allie Kitsune]

Dec 21, 2022 20:19:33 GMT -5 XaviersSS2015hair said:

Dec 21, 2022 19:20:23 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Which was literally the dumbest thing Enzo could have possibly done, considering the precedents set by Lawler and Heath Slater.

Wait, what happened with Heath?

A security guard accused him of forcing her to go back to his hotel room with him (after WM27), he sat out for a while it was being investigated, a judge ultimately dismissed the charges.

This seems to be a case where people generally believe him, but I guess you can never be 100% sure.

[XaviersSS2015hair]

Dec 21, 2022 19:02:43 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Dec 9, 2022 19:37:25 GMT -5 Celexa Bliss 54 said:

Makes sense. Like, I totally get why most promoters would have a "thanks, but no" policy with him. I just wasn't sure if I'd missed a sex or racism scandal or something.

He, along with Aries, managed to burn their bridges with MLW, which kind of _makes its bones_ on being a last chance reclamation area for disgraced wrestlers (eg : TJP, nZo, Teddy Hart, who also burnt his bridge with them by being a complete psychopath).

What'd TJP do to be lumped in with those others? Last I heard TJP was working steadily for MLW, Impact, NJPW and I believe Mexico.

[XaviersSS2015hair]

Dec 21, 2022 20:25:45 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Dec 21, 2022 20:19:33 GMT -5 XaviersSS2015hair said:

Wait, what happened with Heath?

A security guard accused him of forcing her to go back to his hotel room with him (after WM27), he sat out for a while it was being investigated, a judge ultimately dismissed the charges.

This seems to be a case where people generally believe him, but I guess you can never be 100% sure.

Wow. Hadn't heard that before.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Dec 21, 2022 20:25:45 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Dec 21, 2022 20:19:33 GMT -5 XaviersSS2015hair said:

Wait, what happened with Heath?

A security guard accused him of forcing her to go back to his hotel room with him (after WM27), he sat out for a while it was being investigated, a judge ultimately dismissed the charges.

This seems to be a case where people generally believe him, but I guess you can never be 100% sure.

Yeah, I remember that with Heath and they told him to go home and lie low while they let everything play its course and he was back as soon as it was done 

Lawler I think got into a DV dispute with his young girlfriend 

[The Blue Nova]

Honestly Braun Strowma.. think. about it he was released for well over a year and no one picked him up. Luckily hes a triple H guy and wwe rehired him.

[The Blue Nova]

Dec 21, 2022 22:09:00 GMT -5 booty2shoes said:

Dec 21, 2022 21:41:00 GMT -5 The Blue Nova said:

Honestly Braun Strowma.. think. about it he was released for well over a year and no one picked him up. Luckily hes a triple H guy and wwe rehired him.

The fact that he got rehired by the most major of major organizations kinda eliminates him from consideration as far as this topic goes.

Thats what im saying. Im just saying if he hadn't of been he would of been blackballed

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Dec 21, 2022 18:58:11 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Dec 20, 2022 18:57:11 GMT -5 tntchamp said:

ACH is a great example of having a legit grievance and getting people on your side only to completely handle it the absolute worst way possible to the point to where you come off actually worse then the people he was rightfully mad against.  

See Also : Alberto del Knifefight.

Speaking of which, Fightful had to once again put on the record that WWE aren’t interested in him because he’s putting their name in his mouth again.

[XaviersSS2015hair]

Kelly Klein? I haven't heard anything about her since late 2019 when she made all the accusations against ROH. I thought she was a good talent, attractive and played the role of a bad-ass really well. Not really sure why another company hasn't taken a chance on her. Seems like a perfect fit for Impact or the NWA's women's divisions. Pretty sure her relationship with husband (former husband?) BJ Whitmer will always keep her out of AEW/ROH.

[kingoftheindies]

Dec 22, 2022 11:45:17 GMT -5 XaviersSS2015hair said:

Kelly Klein? I haven't heard anything about her since late 2019 when she made all the accusations against ROH. I thought she was a good talent, attractive and played the role of a bad-ass really well. Not really sure why another company hasn't taken a chance on her. Seems like a perfect fit for Impact or the NWA's women's divisions. Pretty sure her relationship with husband (former husband?) BJ Whitmer will always keep her out of AEW/ROH.

She cheated on Whitmer and it was pretty public. I thought she disappeared in part due to a pretty serious (and undiagnosed?) concussion, but there seemed to be 2 camps working against her. 1)The camp that thought she only got pushed because she was with Whitmer and 2)Whitmer is well liked by a lot of talent so she's now disliked for cheating on him

[MolotovMocktail]

Dec 20, 2022 18:57:11 GMT -5 tntchamp said:

Dec 19, 2022 15:57:12 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

He was in MLW and I think did some New Japan Strong but I think he's semi retired. But... yes between the NXT stuff and how he acted in ROH most places are/were hesitant to work with him

ACH is a great example of having a legit grievance and getting people on your side only to completely handle it the absolute worst way possible to the point to where you come off actually worse then the people he was rightfully mad against.  

The shirt was bad optics, but I think it was just a case of an unfortunate result that nobody bothered to check out. And from what I remember, the default color was supposed to be white/light gray, with black as an alternate, which likely meant that they probably didn’t spend too much time analyzing that look. ACH just leapt to the conclusion that someone deliberately set out to make a racist design, which I highly doubt even if the end result was cringe.

[tntchamp]

Dec 22, 2022 13:10:18 GMT -5 MolotovMocktail said:

Dec 20, 2022 18:57:11 GMT -5 tntchamp said:

ACH is a great example of having a legit grievance and getting people on your side only to completely handle it the absolute worst way possible to the point to where you come off actually worse then the people he was rightfully mad against.  

The shirt was bad optics, but I think it was just a case of an unfortunate result that nobody bothered to check out. And from what I remember, the default color was supposed to be white/light gray, with black as an alternate, which likely meant that they probably didn’t spend too much time analyzing that look. ACH just leapt to the conclusion that someone deliberately set out to make a racist design, which I highly doubt even if the end result was cringe.

I do feel even then as I do now that it probably wasn't a malicious intentional act on WWE's end and just a very poor mistake. Granted I completely get why ACH was bothered by the shirt design and again if ACH just had handled this better, it could have easily been resolved without him making a total ass of himself and killing all the support he had. 

[hentery]

Dec 21, 2022 10:16:43 GMT -5 XaviersSS2015hair said:

Dec 10, 2022 11:11:11 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

Homicide did go in a social media rant back then basically saying he would not work with anybody booking Maff nor would any of his students (which back then was a big deal) and flat out called Maff a pedophile. In recent years he said he and Maff quelled their beef so who knows what happened

I didn't know that. Or if I did years ago I had forgotten about it.

This is the last time you will hear or see me mentioning that jabroni’s name again. Dan Maff is done in the wrestling business. Finished. Maff blackballed himself. I did not blackball Maff. Promoters had to pick me or him, and all the promoters picked me because of what Maff did. There is only one side of the story and Maff ****ed up and that is why he is done and no one is using him. Maff ****ed with my family and ****ed with my personal life. Maff is a pedophile. I hope fans can understand this. This **** is personal. This is my life. Maff screwed Maff and blackball himself because of what he did. No promoter want to use him because of what he did. Maff is done with wrestling.

I want everyone to know that I hate Dan Maff and I don’t respect him. He’s a piece of ****. This is my personal life and the last time ever I will mention this guys name again. This is done just like Maff’s career. I know fans want to know the whole story but this is very personal and that’s all I can say. I know fans want to hear that whole interview, but it’s better off not being up there because it’s real life. Maff is done.”

Maff had sex with an underage relative of homicide. Even if she consented it’s considered rape due to ages.

[XaviersSS2015hair]

Dec 22, 2022 12:54:37 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

Dec 22, 2022 11:45:17 GMT -5 XaviersSS2015hair said:

Kelly Klein? I haven't heard anything about her since late 2019 when she made all the accusations against ROH. I thought she was a good talent, attractive and played the role of a bad-ass really well. Not really sure why another company hasn't taken a chance on her. Seems like a perfect fit for Impact or the NWA's women's divisions. Pretty sure her relationship with husband (former husband?) BJ Whitmer will always keep her out of AEW/ROH.

She cheated on Whitmer and it was pretty public. I thought she disappeared in part due to a pretty serious (and undiagnosed?) concussion, but there seemed to be 2 camps working against her. 1)The camp that thought she only got pushed because she was with Whitmer and 2)Whitmer is well liked by a lot of talent so she's now disliked for cheating on him

I remember all that. That's why I was adding her to the list. But I wasn't sure if her and BJ worked their problems out, or got divorced, or if any of that was the reason we haven't seen her since.

I find it extremely hypocritical of the wrestling business if a woman got blackballed for doing the same thing every male wrestler has done since the beginning of time.

[SneakMan]

Dec 22, 2022 13:38:28 GMT -5 hentery said:

This is the last time you will hear or see me mentioning that jabroni’s name again. Dan Maff is done in the wrestling business. Finished. Maff blackballed himself. I did not blackball Maff. Promoters had to pick me or him, and all the promoters picked me because of what Maff did. There is only one side of the story and Maff ****ed up and that is why he is done and no one is using him. Maff ****ed with my family and ****ed with my personal life. Maff is a pedophile. I hope fans can understand this. This **** is personal. This is my life. Maff screwed Maff and blackball himself because of what he did. No promoter want to use him because of what he did. Maff is done with wrestling.

I want everyone to know that I hate Dan Maff and I don’t respect him. He’s a piece of ****. This is my personal life and the last time ever I will mention this guys name again. This is done just like Maff’s career. I know fans want to know the whole story but this is very personal and that’s all I can say. I know fans want to hear that whole interview, but it’s better off not being up there because it’s real life. Maff is done.”

What's interesting about this Homicide quote is that, in recent years he and Maff have appeared on many of the same cards together with apparently no problems, so I'm guessing whatever issue they had seemingly has blown over.

However Maff recently got fired from ROH (again) during Speaking Out for allegedly sexually harassing one of his trainees. 

[XaviersSS2015hair]

Dec 22, 2022 15:07:22 GMT -5 SneakMan said:

Dec 22, 2022 13:38:28 GMT -5 hentery said:

This is the last time you will hear or see me mentioning that jabroni’s name again. Dan Maff is done in the wrestling business. Finished. Maff blackballed himself. I did not blackball Maff. Promoters had to pick me or him, and all the promoters picked me because of what Maff did. There is only one side of the story and Maff ****ed up and that is why he is done and no one is using him. Maff ****ed with my family and ****ed with my personal life. Maff is a pedophile. I hope fans can understand this. This **** is personal. This is my life. Maff screwed Maff and blackball himself because of what he did. No promoter want to use him because of what he did. Maff is done with wrestling.

I want everyone to know that I hate Dan Maff and I don’t respect him. He’s a piece of ****. This is my personal life and the last time ever I will mention this guys name again. This is done just like Maff’s career. I know fans want to know the whole story but this is very personal and that’s all I can say. I know fans want to hear that whole interview, but it’s better off not being up there because it’s real life. Maff is done.”

What's interesting about this Homicide quote is that, in recent years he and Maff have appeared on many of the same cards together with apparently no problems, so I'm guessing whatever issue they had seemingly has blown over.

However Maff recently got fired from ROH (again) during Speaking Out for allegedly sexually harassing one of his trainees. 

That was my question too. I knew of the allegations against Maff way back then. But then in late 2019 Maff and Homicide were working for ROH and the NWA together. I guess they buried the hatchet and good for them I suppose.

I don't remember Maff's name coming up during Speaking Out, but that would explain why I haven't seen or heard a thing about him since. Clearly he's a moron.

[hentery]

Dec 22, 2022 16:02:14 GMT -5 XaviersSS2015hair said:

Dec 22, 2022 15:07:22 GMT -5 SneakMan said:

What's interesting about this Homicide quote is that, in recent years he and Maff have appeared on many of the same cards together with apparently no problems, so I'm guessing whatever issue they had seemingly has blown over.

However Maff recently got fired from ROH (again) during Speaking Out for allegedly sexually harassing one of his trainees. 

That was my question too. I knew of the allegations against Maff way back then. But then in late 2019 Maff and Homicide were working for ROH and the NWA together. I guess they buried the hatchet and good for them I suppose.

I don't remember Maff's name coming up during Speaking Out, but that would explain why I haven't seen or heard a thing about him since. Clearly he's a moron.

That’s why I mentioned consent. If your 16 year old relative willingly had sex with someone who you treated as family trusted etc you’d hate them immediately. This was 2003. There’s a long time in between for things to come out, air to be cleared, hate to subside. Hell maybe Maff denied doing it and was able to prove it. We will never know. We just know that he had sexual contact with someone homicide was close with who was not old enough for a grown man.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

A lot of dudes who got implicated in the CHIKARA Speaking Out Movement have not wrestled since and probably never will again

Quackenbush is a weird case where it looked like he didn't actually do anything in the SpeakingOut movement but was either so clueless to it happening, or let the climate of it fester in the company as a whole and did nothing to stop it. Everyone left CHIKARA, he hasn't worked a match since the place shut down, but he still kinda pushes on with his Youtube, and there's a rumor he was trying to start up CHIKARA again but it's been really hard to find news on it other than someone tweeting they were angry about it, but before that he was constantly being invited to the WWE PC, so that did f*** up his stuff there

Juan Fransisco de Coronado and Rory Gulak were two big ones because they were also trainers in the Factory at the time, Juan had begun a new team with Victor Vanek (Missile Assault Man) as The Super Dudes on The Indies and that immediately killed that gimmick, and Vanek has not had a documented match since 2019 either (He wasn't outed he just disappeared)

Princess Kimberlee seems to have burned a lot of bridges for being an extremely difficult person to deal with, and this has been a thing with years for her but it really caught up to her this year, most peeps are aware of why. She's only worked two matches since March for SHINE and FEST wrestling

Ophidian seems to have been forced to retire. He tried to sneak on a booking recently and Sidney Bakabella threatened to tell the booker something "If he had to", seems like he did some shit things but is being told "Stay out of wrestling and we won't ruin your life"

Kobald was one of the worst and got absolutely ethered, deservedly

Blaster McMassive was accused of really suspect shit, but he found work in MLW. When he got uppidy about bookings during SpeakingOut I believe some wrestlers threatened to leak his shit and he shut up.

Joshua Wells/Wavra was one of the last WrestleFactory graduates, and a wrestler who actually came on to FAN and defended Quack and CHIKARA as a whole and his time there... only to also be outed with Speaking Out claims and go completely off the grid. No documented matches in over a year

I can't say for sure if Icarus was caught up in the Speaking Out stuff, I remember his name being brought up but don't know how concrete anything was. He has not wrestled anywhere since CHIKARA shut down, but he also has a good side job

I cannot remember if Kevin Condron/Jervis Cottonbelly got implicated in SpeakingOut but I seem to remember Condron's personality getting in his way of grander bookings. It's been almost an entire year since he's wrestled as Condron or Jervis. Jervis also worked a Control Your Narrative taping, of all things lol. WrestleCircus going under seemed to really hurt their career because it was a prominent booking they had that went up in smoke. Should note Jervis is still really active on Twitter, so maybe they weren't run off, just seem to remember something with them coming up, maybe it was disproven

Rave You are free to add to/correct any of this if there are any other CHIKARA Alum that no one wants to work with since the shutdown.

[Psicofreak667]

The story I remember about Icarus is that somebody floated some kind of communication where he bragged about leaving a bruise on a woman. It later turned out that the dude who plays Icarus was into some "alternative interests" in real life and the bruise 1) was consensual, 2) nothing to do with wrestling. However, he also supposedly has a very well paying dayjob, and is also a Quack super-loyalist, so when Chikara closed he kind of took his ball and went home.

I would love to know more details about what happened with Blaster McMassive/Thomas Sharpe. During #SpeakingOut he made a really off comment about "have enough creepy whitebois been called out as sex pests that I can get booked again?" and the former Leonard Chikarason told him that if he didn't step back he'd tell the real reason he was fired from Chikara.

I suspect that one of the women who complained about Kobald was Veronica Ticklefeather. They were working together in AIW (and probably elsewhere on the indies) during the Chikara closure in 2013. That would also be about the same time Ophidian and Kodama quit associating with Kobald.

As far as Kelly Klein goes I heard she was dealing with post-concussion syndrome.

[lildude8218]

Dec 23, 2022 3:25:05 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

A lot of dudes who got implicated in the CHIKARA Speaking Out Movement have not wrestled since and probably never will again

Quackenbush is a weird case where it looked like he didn't actually do anything in the SpeakingOut movement but was either so clueless to it happening, or let the climate of it fester in the company as a whole and did nothing to stop it. Everyone left CHIKARA, he hasn't worked a match since the place shut down, but he still kinda pushes on with his Youtube, and there's a rumor he was trying to start up CHIKARA again but it's been really hard to find news on it other than someone tweeting they were angry about it, but before that he was constantly being invited to the WWE PC, so that did f*** up his stuff there

Juan Fransisco de Coronado and Rory Gulak were two big ones because they were also trainers in the Factory at the time, Juan had begun a new team with Victor Vanek (Missile Assault Man) as The Super Dudes on The Indies and that immediately killed that gimmick, and Vanek has not had a documented match since 2019 either (He wasn't outed he just disappeared)

Princess Kimberlee seems to have burned a lot of bridges for being an extremely difficult person to deal with, and this has been a thing with years for her but it really caught up to her this year, most peeps are aware of why. She's only worked two matches since March for SHINE and FEST wrestling

Ophidian seems to have been forced to retire. He tried to sneak on a booking recently and Sidney Bakabella threatened to tell the booker something "If he had to", seems like he did some shit things but is being told "Stay out of wrestling and we won't ruin your life"

Kobald was one of the worst and got absolutely ethered, deservedly

Blaster McMassive was accused of really suspect shit, but he found work in MLW. When he got uppidy about bookings during SpeakingOut I believe some wrestlers threatened to leak his shit and he shut up.

Joshua Wells/Wavra was one of the last WrestleFactory graduates, and a wrestler who actually came on to FAN and defended Quack and CHIKARA as a whole and his time there... only to also be outed with Speaking Out claims and go completely off the grid. No documented matches in over a year

I can't say for sure if Icarus was caught up in the Speaking Out stuff, I remember his name being brought up but don't know how concrete anything was. He has not wrestled anywhere since CHIKARA shut down, but he also has a good side job

I cannot remember if Kevin Condron/Jervis Cottonbelly got implicated in SpeakingOut but I seem to remember Condron's personality getting in his way of grander bookings. It's been almost an entire year since he's wrestled as Condron or Jervis. Jervis also worked a Control Your Narrative taping, of all things lol. WrestleCircus going under seemed to really hurt their career because it was a prominent booking they had that went up in smoke. Should note Jervis is still really active on Twitter, so maybe they weren't run off, just seem to remember something with them coming up, maybe it was disproven

Rave You are free to add to/correct any of this if there are any other CHIKARA Alum that no one wants to work with since the shutdown.

FWIW Kevin seems to feel that him defending Brian Kendrick (him as a person and not what he said) this past year is what's led to him being essentially blackballed.

I got curious about The Wrestle Factory a few nights ago and noticed the website was still active and looking for recruits for 2023. On the history page it mentions that in 2020 they removed the role of "head trainer" from the school and that everyone shares the title of "co-trainer." Currently Quack and Sonny DeFarge are the only listed trainers. As of 2021 they've also added a "Code of Conduct" page which specifically mentions not tolerating any kind of inappropriate sexual behavior with a long list of examples, the address/phone number of the nearest police station, and the National Sexual Assault Hotline number. thewrestlefactory.com/code.html