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Post by thegame415 on Dec 18, 2022 18:06:19 GMT -5
We often talk about times a wrestler lost and had their momentum or push hurt by it. I'm curious...can we think of some times where a wrestler WON and actually lost crowd support, a push, or momentum?
I don't mean HHH beating Punk, because it really didn't hurt Hunter.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 18, 2022 18:46:30 GMT -5
Shamus had a lot of booing after 18 seconds if I remember rightly?
Many Reigns wins
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 18, 2022 18:50:24 GMT -5
Shamus had a lot of booing after 18 seconds if I remember rightly? I will maintain forever that 18 seconds killed Sheamus's potential as a main event mainstay. It was arguably less about the win than how he won, though. If he and Bryan had had the kind of match they had at Extreme Rules a month later at Wrestlemania? It would have stolen the show and cemented Sheamus for life. I think him winning was a neutral factor.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Dec 18, 2022 18:57:36 GMT -5
Maybe Hogan at WM9? The live crowd enjoyed it but fans were getting smarter by that point. Hogan’s years of winning could always be defended by how good business had been and he was at the forefront of that but by 1993 fans were ready for a new period of wrestling. Even amongst the less “smart” fans there was some resentment as Bret had been working his arse off for years and he loses to Yoko only to see Hogan beat him seconds later. It was possibly the first big example of Hogan’s politicking and until his heel turn in 96, fans were tiring of him.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Dec 18, 2022 18:59:27 GMT -5
Shamus had a lot of booing after 18 seconds if I remember rightly? I will maintain forever that 18 seconds killed Sheamus's potential as a main event mainstay. It was arguably less about the win than how he won, though. If he and Bryan had had the kind of match they had at Extreme Rules a month later at Wrestlemania? It would have stolen the show and cemented Sheamus for life. I think him winning was a neutral factor. That Extreme Rules match was fantastic. So well booked. Triple H could potentially enter this discussion? I'd say his wins over Booker T and Goldberg in '03 gave him more actual go away heat and was detrimental to people's opinions of him. If he'd lost on either of those occasions, the reign of terror wouldn't be looked back on quite as badly.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 18, 2022 19:00:12 GMT -5
Sting didn't lose momentum because he won at Starrcade 1997 but the way he won certainly hurt him significantly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2022 19:49:37 GMT -5
Basically most of John Cena's wins.
It was his Superman booking and lack of clean losses that turned the crowd on him.
If he lost to guys like Christian, Angle and Jericho in 2005, I doubt he would've been as hated as he was.
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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 18, 2022 19:59:12 GMT -5
Shamus had a lot of booing after 18 seconds if I remember rightly? I will maintain forever that 18 seconds killed Sheamus's potential as a main event mainstay. It was arguably less about the win than how he won, though. If he and Bryan had had the kind of match they had at Extreme Rules a month later at Wrestlemania? It would have stolen the show and cemented Sheamus for life. I think him winning was a neutral factor. He cheap shotted Daniel Bryan and then bragged about it, which really hurt his character which was all about having a fight. Like, who think of Sheamus, you think of a dude that loves to fight and wears the wounds of battle as a badge of honour. And on the biggest stage of all, he basically turned a potentially great one down by just kicking Bryan in the face once and pinning him.
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Post by sungod2020 on Dec 18, 2022 20:44:39 GMT -5
Cesaro is the first person that comes to mind. He won the Andre The Giant memorial battle royal at Wrestlemania XXX and then THE VERY NEXT DAY he's paired with Paul Heyman who's sole purpose is to constantly brag about how Brock Lesnar conquered The Undertaker's streak, putting Cesaro(who was getting over with his King of Swing character) in the background.
It's like they're playing a sick joke on the fans(oh i'm sorry, WWE Universe) for daring to get behind a guy when the script dosen't call for it.
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Post by XIII on Dec 18, 2022 21:16:30 GMT -5
Lex Luger beats Yokozuna by countout, proceeds to celebrate like he won the Super Bowl
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 18, 2022 21:31:31 GMT -5
Bart Gunn shoot winning Brawl for All oddly ended up speeding up the end of his career stateside.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 18, 2022 21:38:06 GMT -5
Arguably Randy Orton's first title win in 2004 absolutely derailed him into a babyface run neither he nor the audience were ready for and his WM run ended up going to Batista.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 18, 2022 21:49:19 GMT -5
Chris Sabin winning the TNA world title for a couple weeks was such a throwaway reign (and it was incredibly obvious from the second he won it that it was going right back to Bully Ray) that it would have been better if he just came up short against Bully Ray to start with.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Dec 18, 2022 22:06:01 GMT -5
Chris Sabin winning the TNA world title for a couple weeks was such a throwaway reign (and it was incredibly obvious from the second he won it that it was going right back to Bully Ray) that it would have been better if he just came up short against Bully Ray to start with. Besides Aries, did Option C actually help anyone? Asking legitimately, as I have never seriously followed TNA/Impact. I know it was used to get Aries into the main event, which he was certainly ready for at that stage, but did Sabin or anyone else actually come out of their cash-in looking better for it?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 18, 2022 22:10:34 GMT -5
Shamus had a lot of booing after 18 seconds if I remember rightly? I will maintain forever that 18 seconds killed Sheamus's potential as a main event mainstay. It was arguably less about the win than how he won, though. If he and Bryan had had the kind of match they had at Extreme Rules a month later at Wrestlemania? It would have stolen the show and cemented Sheamus for life. I think him winning was a neutral factor. It was absolutely how he won; Bryan was really starting to get over with even the typical WWE fan in that time, so people were not happy with him being used as a silly joke footnote to open the show. It denied a paying audience the mathc with the guy like they liked, and it owuld have been a great match. It definitely started Sheamus off on a bad foot with his run, but it didn't help that even post-Mania, his run was dogshit. They tried to make him Irish John Cena and it bombed pretty dramatically because that's super not his style. I think he would've still had a pretty rejected run even without the Mania match, but with it he stood no chance.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 18, 2022 23:08:44 GMT -5
Chris Sabin winning the TNA world title for a couple weeks was such a throwaway reign (and it was incredibly obvious from the second he won it that it was going right back to Bully Ray) that it would have been better if he just came up short against Bully Ray to start with. Besides Aries, did Option C actually help anyone? Asking legitimately, as I have never seriously followed TNA/Impact. I know it was used to get Aries into the main event, which he was certainly ready for at that stage, but did Sabin or anyone else actually come out of their cash-in looking better for it? It took a decade later, but Josh Alexander used Option C to actually get into the main event and beat Christian, and let's just pretend the show immediately ended right after the win.
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Post by SneakMan on Dec 18, 2022 23:26:59 GMT -5
Reigns winning the 2015 Rumble match did irreparable damage to his face run. He'd been getting mixed reactions on and off prior to that, but winning that match in the manner he did in front of an incredibly pissed off crowd kicked the boos into overdrive.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Dec 19, 2022 0:51:57 GMT -5
Reigns winning the 2015 Rumble match did irreparable damage to his face run. He'd been getting mixed reactions on and off prior to that, but winning that match in the manner he did in front of an incredibly pissed off crowd kicked the boos into overdrive. Considering he's been their centerpiece for the last 3 years and he's on day 7,821 of his never-ending title reign, I'd say he ended up ok
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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 19, 2022 2:03:19 GMT -5
Reigns winning the 2015 Rumble match did irreparable damage to his face run. He'd been getting mixed reactions on and off prior to that, but winning that match in the manner he did in front of an incredibly pissed off crowd kicked the boos into overdrive. Considering he's been their centerpiece for the last 3 years and he's on day 7,821 of his never-ending title reign, I'd say he ended up ok He had to do what WWE put off for almost half a decade to finally fix the damage - turn heel. And later in 2015, Roman had possibly the most heatless main event feud in WWE History with Sheamus.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 19, 2022 2:26:03 GMT -5
Reigns winning the 2015 Rumble match did irreparable damage to his face run. He'd been getting mixed reactions on and off prior to that, but winning that match in the manner he did in front of an incredibly pissed off crowd kicked the boos into overdrive. Considering he's been their centerpiece for the last 3 years and he's on day 7,821 of his never-ending title reign, I'd say he ended up ok The question wasn't 'wrestlers whose career was ruined by a win'
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