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Post by wildojinx on Dec 27, 2022 9:14:02 GMT -5
Marvel comics used to have a concept called the No-Prize where fans would write in to explain why a continuity error in their comics isnt actually an error at all. I figured that with some massive plotholes or continuity errors in wrestling storylines, we could do the same thing here (I'll do a similar thread on off-topic later).
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Post by CeilingFan on Dec 27, 2022 9:32:58 GMT -5
Ahmed Johnson joined the NOD (after fighting them for months) so he could destroy them from within.
Farooq figured this out and that's why he was expelled from the group 2 months later.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Dec 27, 2022 10:30:09 GMT -5
Vince was the "Higher Power" because of course he'd be the higher power. Duh, it's Vince freakin' McMahon.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 27, 2022 10:34:22 GMT -5
Ahmed Johnson joined the NOD (after fighting them for months) so he could destroy them from within. Farooq figured this out and that's why he was expelled from the group 2 months later. I always took Ahmed joining as a "If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em" situation.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Dec 27, 2022 11:45:37 GMT -5
Ahmed Johnson joined the NOD (after fighting them for months) so he could destroy them from within. Farooq figured this out and that's why he was expelled from the group 2 months later. I always took Ahmed joining as a "If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em" situation. Then Farooq kicked him out because "We've been beating this loser for months, we don't need this dead weight!"
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Post by sungod2020 on Dec 27, 2022 12:24:01 GMT -5
I always took Ahmed joining as a "If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em" situation. Then Farooq kicked him out because "We've been beating this loser for months, we don't need this dead weight!" If anybody remembers, for months Faarooq wanted him to join, but Ahmed refused. Eventually he did under the pretense that the real enemy was the racist WWF and that Undertaker was Vince's "white savior"(which is why he turned against him). I was questioning it at the time, but the premise made some sense. Faarooq and The Nation kicking him out(for not being Black enough mind you) is what scraped away almost a years worth of continuity. So basically he was encouraging him to join his stable for months only to kick his ass out. Logically speaking, by the time Ahmed joined, the feud was already played out. Wrestlemania XIII with street fight was where it should've ended before it even got to that point. After that, Ahmed should've gunned for(and reclaimed) the IC title that he never lost and see where it goes.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Dec 27, 2022 13:27:47 GMT -5
Vince and Kurt were Heels after Survivor Series because while there was a war it didn't change who they were at heart.
Vince struck a deal with Kurt and Kurt accepted to self-serve and get the belt from McMahon. He never actually cared about the fans.
They literally were only faces because the WWF had to be faces against the Alliance Heels who some became fan favorites like RVD and Austin the next night who fans forgave upon seeing Vince and Kurt's true intentions remembering how Vince manipulated Austin from the start.
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Post by sungod2020 on Dec 27, 2022 15:15:24 GMT -5
I'd love someone to explain the Matt Hardy/Kane/Lita/Snitsky/Edge debacle.
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Post by wildojinx on Dec 27, 2022 16:10:44 GMT -5
I'd love someone to explain the Matt Hardy/Kane/Lita/Snitsky/Edge debacle. Kane was upset with Snitsky as he wanted a son so he could raise him to be as twisted as he was.
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Post by 67 more on Dec 27, 2022 16:22:40 GMT -5
I'd love someone to explain the Matt Hardy/Kane/Lita/Snitsky/Edge debacle. Let's try, and everything I post is in kayfabe. Matt and Lita didn't press charges over the coerced assault due to the issues in victims obtaining justice (and that's about how in-depth I want to go in to that aspect of the storyline). Lita had to marry Kane due to the Death Us Do Part match and Matt had to leave due to injury. Kane and Lita both shared loss due to the loss of the baby and both blamed Snitsky for it. This started to show a more human side of Kane and him and Lita bonded over the shared loss, with Kane treating Lita better as a result. Lita also went along with it so revenge could be exacted over Snitsky. Edge, concerned for his friends Matt and Lita, stayed in contact with Lita during this. This led to something more and Lita realised despite her best efforts, she was unable to forgive Kane for the previous abuse and sided with Edge solely. During the whole Kane relationship, Lita still loved Matt and vice versa, so Matt felt betrayed when he found about Edge and posted about it on Myspace (I assume it was Myspace). WWE fired Matt on a temporary basis while things cooled over. The fans booed Lita and Edge not out of sympathy for Kane, but for poor Matt Hardy at home. Kane was just a vessel for the fans, and unfortunately 2005 still wasn't great in terms of women's autonomy. Kane also wasn't aware of the Matt Hardy post as he wasn't online and no one had the balls to go up to him and tell him the news, so Kane was completely oblivious until Lita turned on him at Raw. WWE, realising they punished the wrong man firing Matt plus Vince seeing dollar signs in the two going at it (increased by Matt invading Raw), brought him back sooner than planned knowing full well he would go after Edge. Matt talked about "on TV Lita was with Kane but in real life, she was still with me". Matt clumsily tried to say that Lita chose to stop mentioning Matt on TV to protect him from Kane, as Lita never fully trusted Kane not to find Matt and assault Matt some more. Why did Kane just leave everyone be at this point? Kane has a history of inconsistent behaviour and this was just another example. He also figured it was best for him to stay out of this mess and quit while he's ahead as still no-one was pressing charges against him. I think that's the best I'm getting out of this rubbish, but let me know if there's still a plothole that needs explaining
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Post by sungod2020 on Dec 27, 2022 16:44:01 GMT -5
I'd love someone to explain the Matt Hardy/Kane/Lita/Snitsky/Edge debacle. Let's try, and everything I post is in kayfabe. Matt and Lita didn't press charges over the coerced assault due to the issues in victims obtaining justice (and that's about how in-depth I want to go in to that aspect of the storyline). Lita had to marry Kane due to the Death Us Do Part match and Matt had to leave due to injury. Kane and Lita both shared loss due to the loss of the baby and both blamed Snitsky for it. This started to show a more human side of Kane and him and Lita bonded over the shared loss, with Kane treating Lita better as a result. Lita also went along with it so revenge could be exacted over Snitsky. Edge, concerned for his friends Matt and Lita, stayed in contact with Lita during this. This led to something more and Lita realised despite her best efforts, she was unable to forgive Kane for the previous abuse and sided with Edge solely. During the whole Kane relationship, Lita still loved Matt and vice versa, so Matt felt betrayed when he found about Edge and posted about it on Myspace (I assume it was Myspace). WWE fired Matt on a temporary basis while things cooled over. The fans booed Lita and Edge not out of sympathy for Kane, but for poor Matt Hardy at home. Kane was just a vessel for the fans, and unfortunately 2005 still wasn't great in terms of women's autonomy. Kane also wasn't aware of the Matt Hardy post as he wasn't online and no one had the balls to go up to him and tell him the news, so Kane was completely oblivious until Lita turned on him at Raw. WWE, realising they punished the wrong man firing Matt plus Vince seeing dollar signs in the two going at it (increased by Matt invading Raw), brought him back sooner than planned knowing full well he would go after Edge. Matt talked about "on TV Lita was with Kane but in real life, she was still with me". Matt clumsily tried to say that Lita chose to stop mentioning Matt on TV to protect him from Kane, as Lita never fully trusted Kane not to find Matt and assault Matt some more. Why did Kane just leave everyone be at this point? Kane has a history of inconsistent behaviour and this was just another example. He also figured it was best for him to stay out of this mess and quit while he's ahead as still no-one was pressing charges against him. I think that's the best I'm getting out of this rubbish, but let me know if there's still a plothole that needs explainingYeah, why was Lita allowed to separate from Kane when Kane won her in a "Until Death Do Us Part" match? Weren't they contractually obligated to stay together?
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Dec 27, 2022 16:44:10 GMT -5
I'd love someone to explain the Matt Hardy/Kane/Lita/Snitsky/Edge debacle. Polyamory gone wrong😜
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Post by chazraps on Dec 27, 2022 17:06:13 GMT -5
When the Wyatt Family attacked Punk and Bryan because "the devil made {him} do it"...
...that devil was The Authority and not the actual devil.
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Post by sungod2020 on Dec 27, 2022 17:20:05 GMT -5
To add to the thread, Vince McMahon being the Higher Power had plotholes galore, even throwing away 6 months worth of storylines. However, the kayfabe mark in me appreciated the lengths he would go through to mess with Austin.
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Post by coleslaw on Dec 27, 2022 17:26:41 GMT -5
When the Wyatt Family attacked Punk and Bryan because "the devil made {him} do it"... ...that devil was The Authority and not the actual devil. Tony Khan and MJF truly committed to some long-term storytelling here
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Dec 27, 2022 18:31:34 GMT -5
When the Wyatt Family attacked Punk and Bryan because "the devil made {him} do it"... ...that devil was The Authority and not the actual devil.
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Post by nickcave on Dec 27, 2022 19:20:58 GMT -5
I'd love someone to explain the Matt Hardy/Kane/Lita/Snitsky/Edge debacle. Let's try, and everything I post is in kayfabe. Matt and Lita didn't press charges over the coerced assault due to the issues in victims obtaining justice (and that's about how in-depth I want to go in to that aspect of the storyline). Lita had to marry Kane due to the Death Us Do Part match and Matt had to leave due to injury. Kane and Lita both shared loss due to the loss of the baby and both blamed Snitsky for it. This started to show a more human side of Kane and him and Lita bonded over the shared loss, with Kane treating Lita better as a result. Lita also went along with it so revenge could be exacted over Snitsky. Edge, concerned for his friends Matt and Lita, stayed in contact with Lita during this. This led to something more and Lita realised despite her best efforts, she was unable to forgive Kane for the previous abuse and sided with Edge solely. During the whole Kane relationship, Lita still loved Matt and vice versa, so Matt felt betrayed when he found about Edge and posted about it on Myspace (I assume it was Myspace). WWE fired Matt on a temporary basis while things cooled over. The fans booed Lita and Edge not out of sympathy for Kane, but for poor Matt Hardy at home. Kane was just a vessel for the fans, and unfortunately 2005 still wasn't great in terms of women's autonomy. Kane also wasn't aware of the Matt Hardy post as he wasn't online and no one had the balls to go up to him and tell him the news, so Kane was completely oblivious until Lita turned on him at Raw. WWE, realising they punished the wrong man firing Matt plus Vince seeing dollar signs in the two going at it (increased by Matt invading Raw), brought him back sooner than planned knowing full well he would go after Edge. Matt talked about "on TV Lita was with Kane but in real life, she was still with me". Matt clumsily tried to say that Lita chose to stop mentioning Matt on TV to protect him from Kane, as Lita never fully trusted Kane not to find Matt and assault Matt some more. Why did Kane just leave everyone be at this point? Kane has a history of inconsistent behaviour and this was just another example. He also figured it was best for him to stay out of this mess and quit while he's ahead as still no-one was pressing charges against him. I think that's the best I'm getting out of this rubbish, but let me know if there's still a plothole that needs explaining Why was Snitsky invited to read a poem at Edge and Lita's wedding?
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Post by Andee9001 on Dec 28, 2022 2:29:08 GMT -5
To add to the thread, Vince McMahon being the Higher Power had plotholes galore, even throwing away 6 months worth of storylines. However, the kayfabe mark in me appreciated the lengths he would go through to mess with Austin. My headcannon is that Vince getting his leg broken, the hospital attack the next week, the corvette incident and the "Bang 3:16" incident drove him so far off the deep end that his sanity was ripped to shreds leading him to come up with the most bizzare of plans to inact his revenge against Steve Austin. A plan that involved him waiting to see if Austin won the title, keeping the title on him until the right moment to take it off him and joining forces with the man who broke his leg. All because he had actually proper lost his mind.
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Post by 67 more on Dec 28, 2022 3:30:22 GMT -5
Let's try, and everything I post is in kayfabe. Matt and Lita didn't press charges over the coerced assault due to the issues in victims obtaining justice (and that's about how in-depth I want to go in to that aspect of the storyline). Lita had to marry Kane due to the Death Us Do Part match and Matt had to leave due to injury. Kane and Lita both shared loss due to the loss of the baby and both blamed Snitsky for it. This started to show a more human side of Kane and him and Lita bonded over the shared loss, with Kane treating Lita better as a result. Lita also went along with it so revenge could be exacted over Snitsky. Edge, concerned for his friends Matt and Lita, stayed in contact with Lita during this. This led to something more and Lita realised despite her best efforts, she was unable to forgive Kane for the previous abuse and sided with Edge solely. During the whole Kane relationship, Lita still loved Matt and vice versa, so Matt felt betrayed when he found about Edge and posted about it on Myspace (I assume it was Myspace). WWE fired Matt on a temporary basis while things cooled over. The fans booed Lita and Edge not out of sympathy for Kane, but for poor Matt Hardy at home. Kane was just a vessel for the fans, and unfortunately 2005 still wasn't great in terms of women's autonomy. Kane also wasn't aware of the Matt Hardy post as he wasn't online and no one had the balls to go up to him and tell him the news, so Kane was completely oblivious until Lita turned on him at Raw. WWE, realising they punished the wrong man firing Matt plus Vince seeing dollar signs in the two going at it (increased by Matt invading Raw), brought him back sooner than planned knowing full well he would go after Edge. Matt talked about "on TV Lita was with Kane but in real life, she was still with me". Matt clumsily tried to say that Lita chose to stop mentioning Matt on TV to protect him from Kane, as Lita never fully trusted Kane not to find Matt and assault Matt some more. Why did Kane just leave everyone be at this point? Kane has a history of inconsistent behaviour and this was just another example. He also figured it was best for him to stay out of this mess and quit while he's ahead as still no-one was pressing charges against him. I think that's the best I'm getting out of this rubbish, but let me know if there's still a plothole that needs explainingYeah, why was Lita allowed to separate from Kane when Kane won her in a "Until Death Do Us Part" match? Weren't they contractually obligated to stay together? Let's go with two options. Lita used a loophole in the courts by using the death of their unborn child as the death in question. OR WWE refused to sanction a lifetime contract, so in the fine print the stipulation is only forced for six months.
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Post by 67 more on Dec 28, 2022 3:31:57 GMT -5
Let's try, and everything I post is in kayfabe. Matt and Lita didn't press charges over the coerced assault due to the issues in victims obtaining justice (and that's about how in-depth I want to go in to that aspect of the storyline). Lita had to marry Kane due to the Death Us Do Part match and Matt had to leave due to injury. Kane and Lita both shared loss due to the loss of the baby and both blamed Snitsky for it. This started to show a more human side of Kane and him and Lita bonded over the shared loss, with Kane treating Lita better as a result. Lita also went along with it so revenge could be exacted over Snitsky. Edge, concerned for his friends Matt and Lita, stayed in contact with Lita during this. This led to something more and Lita realised despite her best efforts, she was unable to forgive Kane for the previous abuse and sided with Edge solely. During the whole Kane relationship, Lita still loved Matt and vice versa, so Matt felt betrayed when he found about Edge and posted about it on Myspace (I assume it was Myspace). WWE fired Matt on a temporary basis while things cooled over. The fans booed Lita and Edge not out of sympathy for Kane, but for poor Matt Hardy at home. Kane was just a vessel for the fans, and unfortunately 2005 still wasn't great in terms of women's autonomy. Kane also wasn't aware of the Matt Hardy post as he wasn't online and no one had the balls to go up to him and tell him the news, so Kane was completely oblivious until Lita turned on him at Raw. WWE, realising they punished the wrong man firing Matt plus Vince seeing dollar signs in the two going at it (increased by Matt invading Raw), brought him back sooner than planned knowing full well he would go after Edge. Matt talked about "on TV Lita was with Kane but in real life, she was still with me". Matt clumsily tried to say that Lita chose to stop mentioning Matt on TV to protect him from Kane, as Lita never fully trusted Kane not to find Matt and assault Matt some more. Why did Kane just leave everyone be at this point? Kane has a history of inconsistent behaviour and this was just another example. He also figured it was best for him to stay out of this mess and quit while he's ahead as still no-one was pressing charges against him. I think that's the best I'm getting out of this rubbish, but let me know if there's still a plothole that needs explaining Why was Snitsky invited to read a poem at Edge and Lita's wedding? Pure spite from Lita as she knew it would hurt Kane. She swallowed her own feelings to hurt her abuser, plus she'd manage to forgive Snitsky for the accident.
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