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Post by fortknox on Jan 17, 2023 21:48:06 GMT -5
Of course, he would announce it on MLK day. He's doing it for Dr. King.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 17, 2023 21:56:21 GMT -5
Yeah, if the plan is simply for him to win the Rumble and challenge Roman, they sure are telegraphing it. That said, I still think it’s 100% the direction they should go. I hate the idea of splitting the titles at Mania. Everyone who’s challenged Roman, since he’s held both titles, has challenged for both titles. It would be an absolute anticlimax for the winner of the goddamn Royal Rumble to get a lesser title whot. The titles do have to be split at some point. But do it later. The person that dethrones Roman should do it utterly and completely. Like, out of the potential contenders, Cody just makes sense. He’s super over, more so because of the sympathy angle of last year, crowd loves him and he’s got a built in legacy story too. Zayn would be amazing but I can’t see it being a ‘Mania feud and they’ve literally never brought up the Rollins draw since it happened which feels insanely weird considering he was the only one to do that with him during Roman’s reign so far. They've brought it up here and there, know they've had Seth bring up that Roman didn't actually beat him and that he wants another crack at him, though references have been pretty sparse and it doesn't really seem like it's going anywhere.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 18, 2023 1:31:32 GMT -5
So If I understand this correctly: They are spoiling his return when they could leave bread crumbs. Telegraphing the RR PPV ending making it entirely pointless to watch. Then expect people to buy him as a world beater because of reasons. The Rumble doesn’t always have to be built on mystery entrants. The best Rumbles announced the entire field beforehand!
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Post by Instant Classic on Jan 18, 2023 14:38:18 GMT -5
If they announced him it gets me thinking Rock wins. The biggest thing that gives me pause on that is that if Cody isn't winning then bringing him back to be in the Rumble is entirely pointless and basically just serves to immediately derail his return. They could easily just put some comments out that he's not ready to come back yet and wait a month on it to avoid doing that. Only thing I can see to justify him not winning is he eliminates Rollins who in turn comes back in and eliminates Rhodes. Continuing their rivalry.
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Post by XIII on Jan 18, 2023 14:57:20 GMT -5
Anyone else in the Cody is a cornball club? Just me? I’ll see myself out. lol
Seriously though, glad for his fans but for me he’s not really an improvement on Roman/Bloodline shenanigans.
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Post by papagiorgio on Jan 19, 2023 12:29:43 GMT -5
As others have said, I don't mind since it was pretty obvious. I was pretty annoyed when they announced most of the returns for the women's Rumble last year. I think the surprises are the best part of the Rumble.
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Post by tirtefaa on Jan 19, 2023 13:32:41 GMT -5
Triple H's 2002 return was awesome, so with them announcing it in advance, it'll likely get me more invested in wanting to watch.
I know this might seem like a controversial statement but...I enjoyed wrestling way more when I was able to telegraph what was going to happen. I mean, it's no different than a typical action or adventure movie, where the general structure is going to be the same.
Going into a story and deciding to try to subvert my expectations by doing something off the wall isn't why I watch professional wrestling, it's the layout of the story I care about. You can do something out of the ordinary every once in a while, but that shouldn't be the standard.
As a teenager, I was almost always correct on where a storyline was going, who was going to win, and whatnot...it was just common sense. And the times they tried to surprise me usually resulted in something stupid; Vince as the Higher Power, Rikishi running over Stone Cold, etc.
Now...if they promote Cody's return at the Rumble and he doesn't win? Yeah...that might just derail his comeback from the getgo, and possibly his future.
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Post by r. on Jan 19, 2023 13:38:03 GMT -5
So If I understand this correctly: They are spoiling his return when they could leave bread crumbs. Telegraphing the RR PPV ending making it entirely pointless to watch. Then expect people to buy him as a world beater because of reasons. The Rumble doesn’t always have to be built on mystery entrants. The best Rumbles announced the entire field beforehand! lol, of course. IIRC one of the things that made AJ Styles RR debut so cool was the tweet announcing his debut at the ppv.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 19, 2023 14:01:44 GMT -5
The Rumble doesn’t always have to be built on mystery entrants. The best Rumbles announced the entire field beforehand! lol, of course. IIRC one of the things that made AJ Styles RR debut so cool was the tweet announcing his debut at the ppv. Because I said that there should be no surprises whatsoever. f*** off with that There has to be a variety. Announced returns and some surprises sprinkled in every once in awhile and not every single year. Rumbles are over saturated with the whole “mystery entrant” thing, it’s not the entire point of the match
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 19, 2023 14:50:06 GMT -5
So If I understand this correctly: They are spoiling his return when they could leave bread crumbs. Telegraphing the RR PPV ending making it entirely pointless to watch. Then expect people to buy him as a world beater because of reasons. I mean even if this telegraphed the ending, how does that make it 'entirely pointless to watch'? One match conclusion can't spoil a show, and for something like the Royal Rumble I don't even see how it can spoil the match. There's a whole like 50 minutes of wrestling and storytelling to engage in. Other surprises. The wrestling itself. Deciding it's not worth watching something if you know the conclusion is such a disposable way to treat a show. I've watched lotso f wrestling shows where I know how it's going to end, but the journey is more than satisfying neough for me to have an enjoyable time getting to that foregone conclusion.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 19, 2023 14:52:17 GMT -5
If nothing else the women's Rumble seems to be completely up in the air right now, other than maybe Rhea no one really seems like a particularly likely winner right now and it's not really clear what the Mania title matches are going to end up looking like.
That said if Bianca loses to Alexa then it kind of becomes an immediate certainty that Bianca's winning it.
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Post by r. on Jan 19, 2023 15:05:50 GMT -5
lol, of course. IIRC one of the things that made AJ Styles RR debut so cool was the tweet announcing his debut at the ppv. Because I said that there should be no surprises whatsoever. f*** off with that There has to be a variety. Announced returns and some surprises sprinkled in every once in awhile and not every single year. Rumbles are over saturated with the whole “mystery entrant” thing, it’s not the entire point of the match Firstly, Relax it was tongue in cheek because I thought your response was. Clearly, I was mistaken.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 19, 2023 15:16:45 GMT -5
If nothing else the women's Rumble seems to be completely up in the air right now, other than maybe Rhea no one really seems like a particularly likely winner right now and it's not really clear what the Mania title matches are going to end up looking like. That said if Bianca loses to Alexa then it kind of becomes an immediate certainty that Bianca's winning it. I really hope that isn’t the case. 1. Because they’ve done the whole loser of an earlier match comes into the rumble and wins to get revenge angle too many times too recently. And 2. Bianca shouldn’t be losing to an Alexa Bliss that can barely run the ropes at this stage.
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Post by prettynami on Jan 19, 2023 16:29:45 GMT -5
Clicked on this thinking he was gonna say he was getting trained by Jimmy King.
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Post by eJm on Jan 19, 2023 17:25:33 GMT -5
So If I understand this correctly: They are spoiling his return when they could leave bread crumbs. Telegraphing the RR PPV ending making it entirely pointless to watch. Then expect people to buy him as a world beater because of reasons. I mean even if this telegraphed the ending, how does that make it 'entirely pointless to watch'? One match conclusion can't spoil a show, and for something like the Royal Rumble I don't even see how it can spoil the match. There's a whole like 50 minutes of wrestling and storytelling to engage in. Other surprises. The wrestling itself. Deciding it's not worth watching something if you know the conclusion is such a disposable way to treat a show. I've watched lotso f wrestling shows where I know how it's going to end, but the journey is more than satisfying neough for me to have an enjoyable time getting to that foregone conclusion. Like, I’m sorry, most of the best films are about how the lead character gets through the situation they’re in because of course they would, they’re the lead, the film wants you to root for them to do whatever they need to do. The fact we constantly have to have these discussions about pro wrestling is still bizarre to me.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jan 19, 2023 18:21:52 GMT -5
lol, of course. IIRC one of the things that made AJ Styles RR debut so cool was the tweet announcing his debut at the ppv. Because I said that there should be no surprises whatsoever. f*** off with that There has to be a variety. Announced returns and some surprises sprinkled in every once in awhile and not every single year. Rumbles are over saturated with the whole “mystery entrant” thing, it’s not the entire point of the match I always thought they should announce 26 entrants from the main roster and then have 4 “at large” entrants that could be from NXT, a legend or even a Forbidden Door entrant. But if you’re on the main roster, you’re announced beforehand like in the olden days. This is only for the men’s Rumble, it always seems like they need to recruit the women from anywhere they can.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 19, 2023 18:25:47 GMT -5
Because I said that there should be no surprises whatsoever. f*** off with that There has to be a variety. Announced returns and some surprises sprinkled in every once in awhile and not every single year. Rumbles are over saturated with the whole “mystery entrant” thing, it’s not the entire point of the match I always thought they should announce 26 entrants from the main roster and then have 4 “at large” entrants that could be from NXT, a legend or even a Forbidden Door entrant. But if you’re on the main roster, you’re announced beforehand like in the olden days. This is only for the men’s Rumble, it always seems like they need to recruit the women from anywhere they can. I think in modern times that’s probably the way to do it. Sprinkle it in. Honestly one of my favorite rumbles was 2002. When they announced Goldust, Val Venis, Godfather and Mr Perfect were all coming back for it. It was a neat wrinkle that we knew the returns and could anticipate when they’d show up.
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Post by Chris Legentil -- Mind Freak on Jan 19, 2023 18:54:09 GMT -5
I always thought they should announce 26 entrants from the main roster and then have 4 “at large” entrants that could be from NXT, a legend or even a Forbidden Door entrant. But if you’re on the main roster, you’re announced beforehand like in the olden days. This is only for the men’s Rumble, it always seems like they need to recruit the women from anywhere they can. I think in modern times that’s probably the way to do it. Sprinkle it in. Honestly one of my favorite rumbles was 2002. When they announced Goldust, Val Venis, Godfather and Mr Perfect were all coming back for it. It was a neat wrinkle that we knew the returns and could anticipate when they’d show up. I literally found out the other week that Triple H wasn't at all a surprise return and came back the week before like YEAH I'M IN THE RUMBLE and felt so lied to by the perception of history lmao
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 19, 2023 19:19:39 GMT -5
I think in modern times that’s probably the way to do it. Sprinkle it in. Honestly one of my favorite rumbles was 2002. When they announced Goldust, Val Venis, Godfather and Mr Perfect were all coming back for it. It was a neat wrinkle that we knew the returns and could anticipate when they’d show up. I literally found out the other week that Triple H wasn't at all a surprise return and came back the week before like YEAH I'M IN THE RUMBLE and felt so lied to by the perception of history lmao Something weird has happened to fans with the Rumble. I remember watching an old ass OSW review and they started complaining about Gorilla Monsoon saying “Warlord is out next at number 30” Like, dude. They announced the entire field at the start of the show. If 29 people have come out, what are you talking about “spoiling” warlord being the last guy.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 19, 2023 20:36:49 GMT -5
I think in modern times that’s probably the way to do it. Sprinkle it in. Honestly one of my favorite rumbles was 2002. When they announced Goldust, Val Venis, Godfather and Mr Perfect were all coming back for it. It was a neat wrinkle that we knew the returns and could anticipate when they’d show up. I literally found out the other week that Triple H wasn't at all a surprise return and came back the week before like YEAH I'M IN THE RUMBLE and felt so lied to by the perception of history lmao The Rumble wasn’t even his first match back, dude worked a random tag against Angle and Booker T on a SmackDown before it. DUDE WORKED A GODDAMN HOUSE SHOW MATCH IN BINGHAMTON THREE DAYS BEFORE THE MSG RETURN. This whole massive Rumble return thing was a complete fabrication, and it’s all U2’s fault.
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