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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 27, 2023 18:59:57 GMT -5
Jinder, with EVIL as an honorable mention.
Both were just *abrupt record needle stop*s of a title reign.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 27, 2023 19:03:04 GMT -5
Jinder, with EVIL as an honorable mention. Both were just *abrupt record needle stop*s of a title reign. EVIL reign is too short for me to really feel anything about it NJPW needed a shock coming off the pandemic and giving him the title wasn't bad in theory for Naito to win it back. The biggest damage is the change of everything they did to him. Far after the title reign was over they was still having him cheat and wrestle 45 mins when that was never his style
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 27, 2023 19:14:26 GMT -5
Jinder, with EVIL as an honorable mention. Both were just *abrupt record needle stop*s of a title reign. EVIL reign is too short for me to really feel anything about it NJPW needed a shock coming off the pandemic and giving him the title wasn't bad in theory for Naito to win it back. The biggest damage is the change of everything they did to him. Far after the title reign was over they was still having him cheat and wrestle 45 mins when that was never his style I'm just flat out gonna say it. Hiromu should have beat him for the title. He was as credible as he'd ever been after knocking off Ishii and going toe-to-toe with freaking Okada. And then we could have finally got our damned Naito/Hiromu match.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 27, 2023 19:21:25 GMT -5
EVIL reign is too short for me to really feel anything about it NJPW needed a shock coming off the pandemic and giving him the title wasn't bad in theory for Naito to win it back. The biggest damage is the change of everything they did to him. Far after the title reign was over they was still having him cheat and wrestle 45 mins when that was never his style I'm just flat out gonna say it. Hiromu should have beat him for the title. He was as credible as he'd ever been after knocking off Ishii and going toe-to-toe with freaking Okada. And then we could have finally got our damned Naito/Hiromu match. I don't know if he should beat him then but Hiromu should be a HW in general but that's a whole other can of worms with Goto refusing to let him move up like he did KUSHIDA Very least Hiromu should be NEVER champ
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 27, 2023 19:26:54 GMT -5
I don't get beating Jinder with a stick for racist promos.
He was a jobber made world champion and Vince McMahon was personally writing his promos.
He wasn't exactly in a Brock or Cena type position to tell McMahon to go f*** himself with the horrible material.
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Post by Timeless Hayterade on Jan 27, 2023 19:29:26 GMT -5
Jinder Mahal. In 2007, the World Champions of SmackDown were Undertaker, Edge, and Batista. For the majority of 2017, the World Champion was a jobber with single digit career wins that was losing to non-finishers before he won the damn thing. His reign caused me to stop watching SmackDown until he lost the title. Even then, I wasn't gonna watch until I saw the spoiler that he was losing the title.
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Post by Starshine on Jan 27, 2023 19:30:19 GMT -5
I don't get beating Jinder with a stick for racist promos. He was a jobber made world champion and Vince McMahon was personally writing his promos. He wasn't exactly in a Brock or Cena type position to tell McMahon to go f*** himself with the horrible material. It wouldn't be an issue if the dude didn't claim he had creative control over his material. www.fightful.com/wrestling/jinder-mahal-says-he-has-creative-control-over-his-character"I do have creative control but also Vince (McMahon) gives advice and ideas and I take them. Vince has experience and he has made the biggest sports entertainment in the history. He has made WWE into a global phenomenon. I have a good relationship with Vince, he trusts me on the microphone, with my matches, which will only increase with time. I personally want to seek Vince's advice."
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Post by Defrebel - White Pony on Jan 27, 2023 19:33:19 GMT -5
I don't get beating Jinder with a stick for racist promos. He was a jobber made world champion and Vince McMahon was personally writing his promos. He wasn't exactly in a Brock or Cena type position to tell McMahon to go f*** himself with the horrible material. It wouldn't be an issue if the dude didn't claim he had creative control over his material. www.fightful.com/wrestling/jinder-mahal-says-he-has-creative-control-over-his-character"I do have creative control but also Vince (McMahon) gives advice and ideas and I take them. Vince has experience and he has made the biggest sports entertainment in the history. He has made WWE into a global phenomenon. I have a good relationship with Vince, he trusts me on the microphone, with my matches, which will only increase with time. I personally want to seek Vince's advice." God damn he f***ed up so bad saying that shit. The Nakamura racist promo was like a month later.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 27, 2023 19:36:25 GMT -5
It wouldn't be an issue if the dude didn't claim he had creative control over his material. www.fightful.com/wrestling/jinder-mahal-says-he-has-creative-control-over-his-character"I do have creative control but also Vince (McMahon) gives advice and ideas and I take them. Vince has experience and he has made the biggest sports entertainment in the history. He has made WWE into a global phenomenon. I have a good relationship with Vince, he trusts me on the microphone, with my matches, which will only increase with time. I personally want to seek Vince's advice." God damn he f***ed up so bad saying that shit. The Nakamura racist promo was like a month later. Vince had probably been sitting on that _exact_ promo ever since he came up with the "Hirohito" gimmick for Kenzo Suzuki.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 27, 2023 19:40:58 GMT -5
I don't get beating Jinder with a stick for racist promos. He was a jobber made world champion and Vince McMahon was personally writing his promos. He wasn't exactly in a Brock or Cena type position to tell McMahon to go f*** himself with the horrible material. It wouldn't be an issue if the dude didn't claim he had creative control over his material. www.fightful.com/wrestling/jinder-mahal-says-he-has-creative-control-over-his-character"I do have creative control but also Vince (McMahon) gives advice and ideas and I take them. Vince has experience and he has made the biggest sports entertainment in the history. He has made WWE into a global phenomenon. I have a good relationship with Vince, he trusts me on the microphone, with my matches, which will only increase with time. I personally want to seek Vince's advice."Sorry, but that's quoted from an interview with an Indian journalist and the original story is linked in the article you referenced. www.indiatoday.in/sports/other-sports/story/jinder-mahal-wwe-champion-randy-orton-punjabi-prison-match-1024902-2017-07-18Sounds like worked comments to prove his prowess to Indian fans to me. I'm pretty sure he said in Talk is Jericho interview that he'd get an email from McMahon with his next promo. The only "creative control" he would have is how to deliver those words in the email.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 27, 2023 20:21:46 GMT -5
While I'd say he was the worst world title holder in the last 10 years given the massive spotlight, in an odd way, Jinder's reign was somewhat reassuring. The fact that WWE could not take a lower carder, throw the main title on him and cruise to easy success with ratings/business made it clear that the audience had standards and that the context the previous couple of years actually mattered. It wasn't a passionate backlash like the Daniel Bryan chants of years previous, but it was a clear rejection of a booking decision to the point where even WWE couldn't spin Jinder's status as anything except underwhelming.
The lack of success was almost entirely on WWE and not Mahal, which is why it qualifies as the worst reign; its the failure of an entire company and not just one man.
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Post by lockedontarget on Jan 27, 2023 23:16:43 GMT -5
The worst thing about the Jinder reign is that they didn’t even keep the title on him for the India tour. And his only match on the India tour was getting creamed by Triple H.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 28, 2023 11:54:27 GMT -5
The worst thing about the Jinder reign is that they didn’t even keep the title on him for the India tour. And his only match on the India tour was getting creamed by Triple H. Yeah it was a long waste of time that killed the ratings and attendance for Smackdown. They try to make him a big deal for india but they didn't care and likely found out he wasn't even from there. Oh he Canadian? He not one of us.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 28, 2023 12:10:58 GMT -5
Jinder's push was the issue with his run on top, the guy needed to be built up rather than just thrown out there because Vince decided he needed a big Indian star overnight but wasn't prepared to put the work in. Give the guy meaningful feuds, get some big wins against people who matter and then put him in a world title feud, unfortunately Vince booking doesn't work that way.
Tyrus is absolutely the worst champion though, he's a bad wrestler as well as a bad person. There is nothing worthwhile about him, the guy is fresh off sexual harassment allegations that he wasn't punished for by the scumbags at his dayjob. The most charitable defence of his push could be 'Well, they don't have many options', well, why is that? what rising star is going to be chomping at the bit to work somewhere that wants to push Tyrus? Even impact ha more sense than to cave to his demands and put a title on him and that was before he was revealed to be a creep.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jan 28, 2023 12:18:04 GMT -5
Jinder at the very least had a cool entrance and showed with the AJ match where he dropped the belt that he could work a good match when it was booked to his strengths. If he had dropped the belt to Nakamura at SummerSlam (without having cut that racist promo on him beforehand) I think his reign would be looked back on more fondly. There is literally zero upside to Tyrus. Wretched wrestler and an awful human being. Plus even at his worst I think Jinder still had the ability to make you ironically or non ironically root for him. Like there were several PPVs mid reign where I just ended up being like WOOOO JINDER LET'S f***ING GO while actively disliking his title reign. Tyrus is like the absolute bottom in every way. As the OP of the Jinder title tracker thread it does my heart good to see his reign mentioned with some kind words. Agreed on Tyrus though. It stinks of Corgan going, “Well at least he’s been in WWE.” Never mind that he’s never been good in the ring, is only getting worse, and look no further than this thread to see how charismatic he is these days.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 28, 2023 12:22:01 GMT -5
Plus even at his worst I think Jinder still had the ability to make you ironically or non ironically root for him. Like there were several PPVs mid reign where I just ended up being like WOOOO JINDER LET'S f***ING GO while actively disliking his title reign. Tyrus is like the absolute bottom in every way. As the OP of the Jinder title tracker thread it does my heart good to see his reign mentioned with some kind words. Agreed on Tyrus though. It stinks of Corgan going, “Well at least he’s been in WWE.” Never mind that he’s never been good in the ring, is only getting worse, and look no further than this thread to see how charismatic he is these days. And they should had let him get a run with the U.S. title He won only for them to have him drop it to Jeff like the next day and then it was back down the card for him
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 28, 2023 12:34:59 GMT -5
To defend a few that have been mentioned: Jinder at least we got him beating the #AllLivesMatter out of Orton in his hometown of St Louis. We also got generations of fans finally having representation at the top of the card - if it made that many people feel good I can't bring myself to call it the "worst" of anything. Plus, I'll say the first two months of it was a great looking repackaging with a banger theme and sweet entrance. Matt Taven seemed to just be missing whatever it was on television that made him connect so much with live audiences. If you revisit his 2018-2019 work, he wins the entire crowd by the final bell (each time except the MSG match) and I think a fair amount of the hate he gets is that he was the face of ROH's least-interesting worst booked era where the entire show revolved around Bully Ray. Jay Lethal's reigns were both marred by their endings that didn't do justice to the rest of the reigns. Plenty of times there seemed the perfect moment in either reigns to end both but the trigger wasn't pulled. Especially the 2019-2019 one. Man, f*** Bully Ray. That said, the first reign had a tremendous amount of great defenses, and the second one at least had the historic feeling of Lethal hitting 1,000 Days as Champion. Both times they really missed the boat having a great moment of Colt Cabana winning the ROH title in Chicago (At Global Wars in 2016 and All In in 2018, the latter was changed to Flip Gordon for one of the worst aging angles of the 2010s) Taven,like local guy Vladimir Koloff,has something isn't always captured by the camera. Seen Taven 3 times live now,one time in a tiny venue and live he is damn good. Very entertaining,and at least the last time I saw him he called the match in the ring. Worst world champ of the last 10 years..... hell I have no clue. Haven't paid much attention to WWE in that time frame. No one in ROH fits.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jan 28, 2023 12:37:53 GMT -5
As the OP of the Jinder title tracker thread it does my heart good to see his reign mentioned with some kind words. Agreed on Tyrus though. It stinks of Corgan going, “Well at least he’s been in WWE.” Never mind that he’s never been good in the ring, is only getting worse, and look no further than this thread to see how charismatic he is these days. And they should had let him get a run with the U.S. title He won only for them to have him drop it to Jeff like the next day and then it was back down the card for him Yes, I wouldn’t mind Jinder having a proper US title run. But right now they’re treating the title as a show headliner. With Jinder being pushed over to NXT I don’t see it happening any time soon. He seems more likely to win the NXT title which I see as less beneficial to all involved. The US and IC titles have been booked much better recently than at some points in the past few years. But rather than reverting back to the status quo of putting one on a main eventer who isn’t main eventing, a Jinder throwback reign would be preferable.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 28, 2023 12:39:18 GMT -5
It truly is hilarious to look at the NWA championship reigns where some of the people at the top of the list are absolute legends in the business and then they're interspersed with guys who you immediately go "huh?" or "that goof got the title for that long?" Lou Thesz, Harley Race, Ric Flair....Dan Severn, Magnus, Rob Conway. Seriously, that last one is epically hilarious. Even a somewhat credible champion like Jeff Jarrett was the worst part of a product that succeeded despite his misery booking. Had he been a mostly a transitional champion, it would have been okay, but by no means should he have had the belt for over 1,000 days, let alone SIX reigns. Heh...Tyrus will probably carry the belt for a couple years before he's "stripped" of it or something. KAHAGAS THE GOAT Mike Rapada or The Fake Sheik are the worst of the mordern lot. Kahagass wasn't bad in the ring and was mostly champ cause he could fly for free or almost free.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jan 28, 2023 12:50:16 GMT -5
Mike Rapada or The Fake Sheik are the worst of the mordern lot. Kahagass wasn't bad in the ring and was mostly champ cause he could fly for free or almost free. I’m still not sure what his airline job was, but prefer to think he was like Marge’s father. A male stewardess (or steward).
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