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Post by canceled4truth on Jan 31, 2023 20:58:25 GMT -5
What was the deal with the Gargano Dragon Gate rate run? I've never heard anything about that.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jan 31, 2023 22:00:37 GMT -5
Kyle O'Reilly as ROH World Champion. he needed 20 minutes and weapons to defeat Adam Cole to win the title. in his first title defense one month later, Cole beat him in half the time without weapons to win it back. O'Reilly was never seen in ROH again.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jan 31, 2023 22:27:17 GMT -5
What was the deal with the Gargano Dragon Gate rate run? I've never heard anything about that. he held the title for-f***ing-ever (November 2011 - April 2014), which saw an ugly decline in the promotion's popularity (Gargano dropped the title to Ricochet in what ended up being the last DGUSA show). compounding this was Gabe Sapolsky's very questionable booking decisions. example: Gargano defending the title against Chuck Taylor in EVOVLE (the B promotion) to setup a non-title no disqualification rematch in DGUSA (the A promotion) seven months after his god awful reign ended, Gabe decided the fans needed an encore and put the title back on him
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Post by canceled4truth on Jan 31, 2023 22:29:56 GMT -5
What was the deal with the Gargano Dragon Gate rate run? I've never heard anything about that. he held the title for-f***ing-ever (November 2011 - April 2014), which saw an ugly decline in the promotion's popularity (Gargano dropped the title to Ricochet in what ended up being the last DGUSA show). compounding this was Gabe Sapolsky's very questionable booking decisions. example: Gargano defending the title against Chuck Taylor in EVOVLE (the B promotion) to setup a non-title no disqualification rematch in DGUSA (the A promotion) seven months after his god awful reign ended, Gabe decided the fans needed an encore and put the title back on him Yeah that sounds awful lmao. Thanks for answering
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Post by Cyno on Jan 31, 2023 22:50:33 GMT -5
But yeah, I'd consider Sabin less of a bad champion and more a blip in a series of awful booking. Mostly because he didn't have the championship long enough to be considered a good or bad one, IMO.
Meanwhile if he won the Impact belt in 2023, I think fans would love it. He's one of the elder statesmen of Impact and one of the most popular guys on the roster. It'd just need like, an actual build.
But yeah, I forgot (probably intentionally so) how "look at me Louie" TNA booking was in the early-mid 10's. Like with the blatant ripping off of Danielson's run to his Wrestlemania moment with Eric Young.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 1, 2023 0:20:58 GMT -5
Kyle O'Reilly as ROH World Champion. he needed 20 minutes and weapons to defeat Adam Cole to win the title. in his first title defense one month later, Cole beat him in half the time without weapons to win it back. O'Reilly was never seen in ROH again. Well, they only put the title on him to entice him to stay and he said f*** that noise I am out anyway and ROH still ended up in sticky situation with Cole leaving right behind him
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Post by Rave on Feb 1, 2023 2:17:45 GMT -5
We've had NWA champions who've paid for their reigns (hello there, Mike Rapada). We've had NWA champions who've been champion because they've flown for free (Kahagas and the fake Sheik/Josef Samael both have this story attached to them). We've even had a placeholder champion as part of an effort to fend off PPV competition (Ron Garvin in 1987, so that Flair could win it off him two months later at that year's Starrcade).
Tyrus is quite possibly the first NWA champion whose reign came about completely out of spite, and that's why he's my vote. So what if he's on Fox News? Are certain people who regularly watch Fox News (idiot brother is one of these people and good lord have I heard the "I can take them, they're not that tough" thing way too much over the years) really the type of people who Corgan wants to attract to his product?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 1, 2023 3:59:23 GMT -5
Surprised, I'm the first to mention Karrion Kross as the NXT champion.
In the era of NXT where basically everything was over the crowd absolutely did not give one singke iota of a shit about him.
He probably doesn't top Jinder but figured at least someone would bring him up.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Feb 1, 2023 7:37:41 GMT -5
We've had NWA champions who've paid for their reigns (hello there, Mike Rapada). We've had NWA champions who've been champion because they've flown for free (Kahagas and the fake Sheik/Josef Samael both have this story attached to them). We've even had a placeholder champion as part of an effort to fend off PPV competition (Ron Garvin in 1987, so that Flair could win it off him two months later at that year's Starrcade). Tyrus is quite possibly the first NWA champion whose reign came about completely out of spite, and that's why he's my vote. So what if he's on Fox News? Are certain people who regularly watch Fox News (idiot brother is one of these people and good lord have I heard the "I can take them, they're not that tough" thing way too much over the years) really the type of people who Corgan wants to attract to his product? I'd really like to know what the Venn diagram of people who watch Fox News and people who follow indie wrestling enough to give a toss about the NWA title is
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 1, 2023 10:24:10 GMT -5
What was the deal with the Gargano Dragon Gate rate run? I've never heard anything about that. he held the title for-f***ing-ever (November 2011 - April 2014), which saw an ugly decline in the promotion's popularity (Gargano dropped the title to Ricochet in what ended up being the last DGUSA show). compounding this was Gabe Sapolsky's very questionable booking decisions. example: Gargano defending the title against Chuck Taylor in EVOVLE (the B promotion) to setup a non-title no disqualification rematch in DGUSA (the A promotion) seven months after his god awful reign ended, Gabe decided the fans needed an encore and put the title back on him Didn't help that Johnny hadn't found himself as a character yet either. Was just very disliked. During his big run in NXT I openly said I couldn't believe it was the same person just because of how hated he was in DGUSA (and CHIKARA)
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Post by BRV on Feb 1, 2023 10:42:13 GMT -5
Eric Young as TNA World Heavyweight Champion.
It was one of the most obvious knock-offs of an angle/champion from another promotion in recent memory, copying Daniel Bryan's championship victory at WrestleMania XXX only four days earlier, only to come off as the "Transmorphers" to Bryan and WWE's "Transformers."
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 1, 2023 15:26:02 GMT -5
Eric Young as TNA World Heavyweight Champion. It was one of the most obvious knock-offs of an angle/champion from another promotion in recent memory, copying Daniel Bryan's championship victory at WrestleMania XXX only four days earlier, only to come off as the "Transmorphers" to Bryan and WWE's "Transformers." Spot on, but to add more context to it is that Young winning the title was so completely out of left field, that there's absolutely no way the company could pretend that they were doing anything else *but* copying Bryan's win
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Post by chrom on Feb 1, 2023 15:29:05 GMT -5
Eric Young as TNA World Heavyweight Champion. It was one of the most obvious knock-offs of an angle/champion from another promotion in recent memory, copying Daniel Bryan's championship victory at WrestleMania XXX only four days earlier, only to come off as the "Transmorphers" to Bryan and WWE's "Transformers." Spot on, but to add more context to it is that Young winning the title was so completely out of left field, that there's absolutely no way the company could pretend that they were doing anything else *but* copying Bryan's win They did it before with 3.3.11
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Feb 1, 2023 15:30:37 GMT -5
In fairness to Jinder, they really did try to book him like a top guy and the WWE title around his waist did not look out of place but he had a bad reign with the constant cheating and never looking strong despite them putting him over Orton multiple times If he had a full build and some good feuds, it could have worked. Going from jobber to main event world champion in the span of 3 weeks was a bit much. It kinda worked for JBL because he could talk and he had Eddie to play off of.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 1, 2023 17:44:54 GMT -5
In fairness to Jinder, they really did try to book him like a top guy and the WWE title around his waist did not look out of place but he had a bad reign with the constant cheating and never looking strong despite them putting him over Orton multiple times If he had a full build and some good feuds, it could have worked. Going from jobber to main event world champion in the span of 3 weeks was a bit much. It kinda worked for JBL because he could talk and he had Eddie to play off of. JBL also had credibilty behind him that Jinder never did. JBL was rarely ever booked as a true jobber, had multiple tag team and hardcore title runs... and was at least in kayfabe portrayed as a tough bastard. Jinder had none of that.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 1, 2023 17:49:14 GMT -5
No world title run has killed a potential big player so quickly as EVIL’s
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 1, 2023 19:00:22 GMT -5
If he had a full build and some good feuds, it could have worked. Going from jobber to main event world champion in the span of 3 weeks was a bit much. It kinda worked for JBL because he could talk and he had Eddie to play off of. JBL also had credibilty behind him that Jinder never did. JBL was rarely ever booked as a true jobber, had multiple tag team and hardcore title runs... and was at least in kayfabe portrayed as a tough bastard. Jinder had none of that. Yeahhh. People really seem to gloss over that Bradshaw had pretty legit credibility to him
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 1, 2023 19:29:00 GMT -5
Eric Young as TNA World Heavyweight Champion. It was one of the most obvious knock-offs of an angle/champion from another promotion in recent memory, copying Daniel Bryan's championship victory at WrestleMania XXX only four days earlier, only to come off as the "Transmorphers" to Bryan and WWE's "Transformers." What sucks is that if they were actually serious about doing it right, there was a story with Eric. He'd won every other title, he'd been fiercely loyal and stuck around through era to era of TNA, and you could spin him as being this homegrown guy who'd never really had a chance at the big time. Instead, they just copy the Bryan stuff without it really being built to or making any sense.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 1, 2023 19:30:37 GMT -5
No world title run has killed a potential big player so quickly as EVIL’s It sucked since it started well, with him getting a makeover and looking like a bigger deal, and NJPW breaking up the status quo, but then he just completely shit the bed. He's not the worst NJPW champion in history, that'd be someone like Tadao, but in the modern era, he'd unfortunately have to be.
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Post by chrom on Feb 1, 2023 19:33:07 GMT -5
No world title run has killed a potential big player so quickly as EVIL’s Dick Togo has ruined him.
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