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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Jan 30, 2023 20:48:49 GMT -5
CM Punk has got to be up there, just for Muffingate.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jan 30, 2023 21:34:12 GMT -5
I’m going for Tyrus. As bad as anyone else may have been, they don’t look like they’re going to drop dead from a heart attack in 2 minutes. The guy was immobile and sucked during his prime. Now that he’s pushing 50, he looks like he could die at any moment once the action starts.
I’m being completely serious when I say that if Tyrus dies in the ring, I would be less surprised than I would have if Flair had died during his last match.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 30, 2023 21:56:43 GMT -5
If we're including women's championships, Alexa Bliss' first Raw Championship reign was f***ing brutal.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 30, 2023 23:45:59 GMT -5
If we're including women's championships, Alexa Bliss' first Raw Championship reign was f***ing brutal. You sure it isn't her 2nd? They basically blend together since Sasha won the title from her for like a week before losing it back
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 31, 2023 1:47:20 GMT -5
If we're including women's championships, Alexa Bliss' first Raw Championship reign was f***ing brutal. If it's a top women's title, then yes I count it. So like, Raw, NXT, or Smackdown or AEW Women's Title, etc, yes, but TBS title or mid-level ones from TJPW or Stardom or something, then no.
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Post by WZWA Network on Jan 31, 2023 10:16:58 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair on Jinder to be the overwhelming pick here. It happened during a time where certainly a performer is only as good as the material written for them. They gave it to him wayyy too out of the blue, there was no compelling story or build up to it, and then it didn't work because the material given to him wasn't good enough. He was decent on the mic, capable in the ring, but he needed more time and to work with the right guys before being given a spot like that so that he could do that spot justice.
That being said my pick is Jinder Mahal
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Post by eJm on Jan 31, 2023 10:21:15 GMT -5
I think the worst thing about Tyrus was that the champion before him was someone who was over, a genuine draw for NWA and still had legs as a heel champion in Matt Cardona...but Corgan still looked at all that and went "Wow, we can have the belt on a guy who appears on Fox News sometimes?! F***, let's do it!"
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Post by J is Justice on Jan 31, 2023 10:36:54 GMT -5
If we're including women's championships, Alexa Bliss' first Raw Championship reign was f***ing brutal. I'm going with Nikki's reign if that's the case. The gimmick was horrible and she was booked like a loser.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jan 31, 2023 13:12:10 GMT -5
Chris Sabin?
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 31, 2023 13:39:46 GMT -5
In terms of short reigns where the person lost it back immediately, it's hard to get more damaging than Sabin's. His career was flat out worse off for beating Bully only to drop it back to him.
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Post by salz4life on Jan 31, 2023 13:47:15 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair on Jinder to be the overwhelming pick here. It happened during a time where certainly a performer is only as good as the material written for them. They gave it to him wayyy too out of the blue, there was no compelling story or build up to it, and then it didn't work because the material given to him wasn't good enough. He was decent on the mic, capable in the ring, but he needed more time and to work with the right guys before being given a spot like that so that he could do that spot justice. That being said my pick is Jinder Mahal Yeah, I have the same feeling. I think it has to be him, but not BECAUSE OF HIM. He did everything he could to elevate himself to that top level. The writers/booker doomed him to fail by not building him properly. He just came back, essentially, as a main eventer and a majority of the fanbase just wasn't going to buy it that quickly.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 31, 2023 14:15:01 GMT -5
In terms of short reigns where the person lost it back immediately, it's hard to get more damaging than Sabin's. His career was flat out worse off for beating Bully only to drop it back to him. Chris Sabin hated the reign himself and didn't even want to win it because he thought it was too soon. It also soured his relationship with TNA.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 31, 2023 14:27:46 GMT -5
Jinder Mahal and nobody else is close. WWE tanked Smackdown ratings and buried Shinsuke just to keep heat on a guy who nobody in India even cared about. And before someone starts up with that meaningless "but he carried himself like a champion" platitude, just f***ing don't.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 31, 2023 14:50:35 GMT -5
I can't believe I've only seen one mention of Eric Young so far. The dude was one of the most celebrated, underaccomplished acts of his generation in a variety of roles and the one time he got a true main event push a) had zero actual buildup and b) was done in the most blatant rip-off booking that doesn't involve a 6'1" Englishman pretending to be the Undertaker.
They could have actually had something there but instead TNA did stupid TNA bullshit and thought that their way back to the top was to do a 2-week long cover version of the Daniel Bryan/Authority storyline because EY also had a bushy beard LITERALLY ONE WEEK AFTER WM 30
And then, dude somehow both went over everyone and looked bitchmade within the next 2 months while the company continued to spiral down and ruining the next 4 years of Young's career. At least Jinder and EVIL had some business sense and shock value to the booking while trying to build a new star (and Corgan gonna Corgan in NWA), this was an absolute disaster of shotgun booking that made everything worse for everyone involved.
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Post by canceled4truth on Jan 31, 2023 15:53:13 GMT -5
Jinder Mahal. In 2007, the World Champions of SmackDown were Undertaker, Edge, and Batista. For the majority of 2017, the World Champion was a jobber with single digit career wins that was losing to non-finishers before he won the damn thing. His reign caused me to stop watching SmackDown until he lost the title. Even then, I wasn't gonna watch until I saw the spoiler that he was losing the title. Point taken but you missed one of the world champs of SmackDown in 2007…The Great Khali
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 31, 2023 16:40:58 GMT -5
I can't believe I've only seen one mention of Eric Young so far. The dude was one of the most celebrated, underaccomplished acts of his generation in a variety of roles and the one time he got a true main event push a) had zero actual buildup and b) was done in the most blatant rip-off booking that doesn't involve a 6'1" Englishman pretending to be the Undertaker. They could have actually had something there but instead TNA did stupid TNA bullshit and thought that their way back to the top was to do a 2-week long cover version of the Daniel Bryan/Authority storyline because EY also had a bushy beard LITERALLY ONE WEEK AFTER WM 30 And then, dude somehow both went over everyone and looked bitchmade within the next 2 months while the company continued to spiral down and ruining the next 4 years of Young's career. At least Jinder and EVIL had some business sense and shock value to the booking while trying to build a new star (and Corgan gonna Corgan in NWA), this was an absolute disaster of shotgun booking that made everything worse for everyone involved. It's kind of wild because, yeah, the win was blatant ripoff booking, but Magnus was also a terrible champion, and Young winning was still arguably a positive development. Both guys would be better world champions later (Young winning it again later was leagues less stupid, and Magnus was a decent NWA champion that just got two way too long reigns.)
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 31, 2023 16:44:22 GMT -5
I think the worst thing about Tyrus was that the champion before him was someone who was over, a genuine draw for NWA and still had legs as a heel champion in Matt Cardona...but Corgan still looked at all that and went "Wow, we can have the belt on a guy who appears on Fox News sometimes?! F***, let's do it!" He wasn't even a good TV champion, either. Like, if this crossover appeal was anything major, shouldn't it have happened with him as TV champ, too? Instead, no one is seeing him on Fox and saying, "I'll go watch the NWA" that wasn't already watching it, really. It's just not occurring.
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Post by ace on Jan 31, 2023 16:51:52 GMT -5
There’s a ton of good options from most companies
and I’m voting for Evil.
Good lord was that a freaking nightmare.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 31, 2023 20:08:56 GMT -5
In terms of short reigns where the person lost it back immediately, it's hard to get more damaging than Sabin's. His career was flat out worse off for beating Bully only to drop it back to him. Chris Sabin hated the reign himself and didn't even want to win it because he thought it was too soon. It also soured his relationship with TNA. The story was clearly Bully/AJ and they felt boxed in a corner Add in Sabin was still finding his groove off that knee injury and that run basically did him so bad he never even got a chance to get back to the main event. Usually short runs don't do that but that messed him up badly to the point they had to turn him back heel cause of "Fail Sabin"
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Post by ace on Jan 31, 2023 20:26:21 GMT -5
Yeah but enough time has passed where they reference him as a former champion on tv and no one bats an eye. It only happened because they didn’t want to kill option C in year 2. They’ve been able to use his status as former champion two or three times in the last year to make someone else’s storyline work. Shelley when he got his first title shot…Alexander poked at him that Sabin had won it and he hadn’t. Maclin now with the wins over former champions story. I think they might have mentioned it in the build to Kazarians shot too but I can’t remember. Ones like Sabin end up fine because eventually he’s a legacy character in the company’s story and it just an added note to his legacy.
I think Alberto was worse for them. That was a dark time…and he never even dropped the thing before they had to release him. .
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