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Post by Starshine on Feb 8, 2023 22:30:36 GMT -5
I'm cautiously optimistic because I trust Tony Khan... but they've got an uphill battle to prove themselves. I want to at least see what direction they start going before I develop any strong takes on this. If they're just transitional champions, then whatever, if they're a longer term project, we'll see how that works out.
FYI, I haven't seen the match yet, so I can't comment on its quality.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 8, 2023 22:30:57 GMT -5
Bro all due respect but if I wanted to waste my time watching undeserving paper champions who are legit mediocre-at-best wrestlers have completely unmemorable matches and promos while the commentators reiterate that they are, in fact, completely undeserving, I never would've stopped watching WWE. I watch AEW to get away from tired-ass tropes like that. What you're describing was old hat during The Miz's first WWE title reign, and that was well over a decade ago. Thank you. People watch other companies to get away from dumb WWE tropes. Not see them rehashed with different casts. I've watched WWE for well over two decades, I don't agree that this is one for one a WWE trope and storyline. It makes sense, they'll have a short reign after stealing the belts, and lose the belts either at the PPV or before it in a month to a big pop, likely in a stipulation match Like it's entirely designed for Acclaimed to get knocked down and get back up again, I don't really see the big deal, but if you hate it and don't want to see it, that's fair. I just don't think it's going to last long enough for it to be an issue, and they can build it up just fine in the next few weeks.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 8, 2023 22:31:55 GMT -5
I have like negative interest in seeing the Gunns wrestle so definitely not a fan of this.
Also was a terrible way to end what was a show with three fantastic matches.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 8, 2023 22:32:16 GMT -5
And the Gunns are flat out not good enough for a PPV tag title match. And even if they were this feud's dragged on for six months and is well past the point of having any novelty whatsoever. Everything about this is just dumb. I mean they feuded earlier last year, and then were away from one another for months, and then came back together to re-ignite the feud I don't classify that as them feuding for six months straight, Acclaimed had an entire feud with Swerve and Lee in between all of this, even a mini feud with Sterling trademarking Scissoring...
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 8, 2023 22:33:45 GMT -5
It feels sometimes that TK is afraid to do long face runs and I wonder if it's out of fear that fans will grow sick of them. It's a valid concern since that has happened, but nobody was close to tired of The Acclaimed. They're literally at their peak. If they win them back at Revolution then that's not true. It more feels like he wanted Acclaimed to face an obstacle, and Billy's sons are the perfect short term challenge for that You can create obstacles without taking the belts off them though. This isn't really an obstacle since it's obvious they'll win them back and all we have is a PPV match people don't care to see.
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Post by cassonova on Feb 8, 2023 22:33:50 GMT -5
I think you are all missing the bigger picture: that this is the setup for Danhausen to finally win the Tag Titles single-handedly.
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Post by Kalmia on Feb 8, 2023 22:33:58 GMT -5
Putting the tag belts on a joke tag team that has done nothing other than one angle isn't good for the belts or the tag division, IMO.
I feel angry when MJF cheats to win and I want to see him get his comeuppance. I didn't feel angry about the Gunns cheating and I don't want to see them get their asses beat because I just don't really care about it at all anymore. That's not the reaction I wanted to feel when the hottest act in the company lost their belts.
If the title change works for other people then that's great! Wrestling is subjective, after all. But I care far less about a rematch than I did about this match.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 8, 2023 22:34:37 GMT -5
I guess I'll give it this, it's not the dumbest tag title change that happened this week, though I do think even if you want to do a very short undeserving chickenshit heel reign you could've probably picked any two random dudes in the back and so long neither of them was named Brian Pillman Jr. you'd probably find a more entertaining team. Imagine if you did an undeserving chickenshit heel reign but it was with like, dudes who could actually go? Like if you had dudes lacking in actual push credibility but who had an actual talent to put on enjoyable matches. You don't wanna do this thing with guys who are undeserving in kayfabe but just also literally do not belong halfway up the card. It also doesn’t really do anything for The Gunns because they’re immediately gonna get killed and it’ll just reaffirm that they’re losers.
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Post by Derk! on Feb 8, 2023 22:34:40 GMT -5
I don't mind the outcome. I enjoy them bring chickenshit heels and they've really grown since the days at Daily's Place. But ending Dynamite with that was certainly a choice....
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 8, 2023 22:36:14 GMT -5
If they win them back at Revolution then that's not true. It more feels like he wanted Acclaimed to face an obstacle, and Billy's sons are the perfect short term challenge for that You can create obstacles without taking the belts off them though. This isn't really an obstacle since it's obvious they'll win them back and all we have is a PPV match people don't care to see. Don't speak for people and what they may want to see If the match is a stipulation where Acclaimed are set up to get the belts back, you can't say that won't sell people who want to see Acclaimed get the belts back on the PPV.
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Post by J is Justice on Feb 8, 2023 22:36:23 GMT -5
This reminds me of when Raqueliyah won the titles from Damage CTRL.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 8, 2023 22:37:22 GMT -5
Imagine if you did an undeserving chickenshit heel reign but it was with like, dudes who could actually go? Like if you had dudes lacking in actual push credibility but who had an actual talent to put on enjoyable matches. You don't wanna do this thing with guys who are undeserving in kayfabe but just also literally do not belong halfway up the card. It also doesn’t really do anything for The Gunns because they’re immediately gonna get killed and it’ll just reaffirm that they’re losers. I mean in gimmick that's literally what they are and how they're booked. I don't think it's inherently a bad thing to have teams who are like this, but find ways to cheat and win and be cowardly douchebags who take the easy way out
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 8, 2023 22:38:22 GMT -5
Still wondering if Gunn Club actually face FTR at Revolution, FTR win, and then we get Acclaimed vs FTR
But it feels like Acclaimed need to beat Ass Boys after that, so maybe Acclaimed win, and it goes right into Acclaimed vs FTR
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 8, 2023 22:39:20 GMT -5
You can create obstacles without taking the belts off them though. This isn't really an obstacle since it's obvious they'll win them back and all we have is a PPV match people don't care to see. Don't speak for people and what they may want to see If the match is a stipulation where Acclaimed are set up to get the belts back, you can't say that won't sell people who want to see Acclaimed get the belts back on the PPV. ....He wasn't trying to speak for anyone else but himself.
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Post by Facetious on Feb 8, 2023 22:40:30 GMT -5
You can create obstacles without taking the belts off them though. This isn't really an obstacle since it's obvious they'll win them back and all we have is a PPV match people don't care to see. Don't speak for people and what they may want to see You've been doing that the entire thread. 🙄
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 8, 2023 22:41:06 GMT -5
Don't speak for people and what they may want to see If the match is a stipulation where Acclaimed are set up to get the belts back, you can't say that won't sell people who want to see Acclaimed get the belts back on the PPV. ....He wasn't trying to speak for anyone else but himself. "All we have is a PPV match that people don't care to see" was not just speaking for himself, that's why I said that. I have no problem if he or others don't wanna see it but we have no idea how many people would actively want to see the potential match at Revolution until they set it up and see how people react to it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 8, 2023 22:42:14 GMT -5
Don't speak for people and what they may want to see You've been doing that the entire thread. 🙄 I've been giving a counterpoint on the feud, I haven't once said people can't hate this outcome or think it's bullshit. I'm well aware I'm not going to make people hate this any less, I'm just giving input into how I see it and how this booking decision won't be the end of the world/not even matter in a month, I'd hope.
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Post by schizo on Feb 8, 2023 22:44:52 GMT -5
Every wrestling company sence the dawn of time has always had booking decisions that everyone will collectively groan at. It happened a million times before, it happened tonight, it’ll happened million times more. In a few month, everyone will forget tonight happened at all and a more fan favorite team will be tag champions. It really ain’t a big deal
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 8, 2023 22:46:35 GMT -5
It also doesn’t really do anything for The Gunns because they’re immediately gonna get killed and it’ll just reaffirm that they’re losers. I mean in gimmick that's literally what they are and how they're booked. I don't think it's inherently a bad thing to have teams who are like this, but find ways to cheat and win and be cowardly douchebags who take the easy way out Yeah, we’ll see. The more I think about it the more I wonder if just going FTR/Acclaimed at Revolution and letting people pick a side would be better, but who knows if they’re actually coming back.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 8, 2023 22:48:33 GMT -5
Yeah this was the wrong decision IMO, but even more questionable was ending the show with that. The Gunns are over in the sense that the crowd will react to them as heels, but they aren't championship level over, even if they are transitional champs. I know people will interpret the "bullshit" chants at the end in different ways, but that seemed like a legit deflated crowd chanting that, and not fans booing cheating heels. If the Acclaimed win it back at the PPV, then that's cool, but not a decision I would have made. Just looking through the crowd reacting in the background, not that many reacting “heel heat” wise. Just people whelmed by the turn of events.
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