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Post by eJm on Feb 20, 2023 12:49:04 GMT -5
I expect some shenanigans but rather that be kept to the minimum and Cody get a clean win Don't need Jey to do a superkick into Crossrhodes. Once again if you are going to give Cody the rub, don't bullshit your way to it And I know I harp on about the AEW negotiation things but, like, what looks better to show to a Ricky Starks or even a Kenny Omega? “We’ll book you to win and you’ll great doing it” or “We’ll book you to win the title but only with some help of another talent that almost overshadows your own story”? Because we are at a point where this stuff matters. The people who like Cody and want to see him do well will be watching at WrestleMania, Cody would have taught them to bet on themselves with this stuff.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 20, 2023 12:57:53 GMT -5
I expect some shenanigans but rather that be kept to the minimum and Cody get a clean win Don't need Jey to do a superkick into Crossrhodes. Once again if you are going to give Cody the rub, don't bullshit your way to it I think the one thing we’re underestimating in all of this is that people still f***ing love Roman. The internet fans are ready for this to be over, but there are genuinely casuals left that just like going to shows and holding up the one finger. I saw it myself watching EC this weekend. A straight up win is just the easiest way not to upset folks.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 20, 2023 12:59:19 GMT -5
I expect some shenanigans but rather that be kept to the minimum and Cody get a clean win Don't need Jey to do a superkick into Crossrhodes. Once again if you are going to give Cody the rub, don't bullshit your way to it I think the one thing we’re underestimating in all of this is that people still f***ing love Roman. The internet fans are ready for this to be over, but there are genuinely casuals left that just like going to shows and holding up the one finger. I saw it myself watching EC this weekend. A straight up win is just the easiest way not to upset folks. The YouTube chat for the post EC press conference was like 80% people saying that “The traitor Sami got what he deserved” lol
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 20, 2023 13:03:00 GMT -5
I expect some shenanigans but rather that be kept to the minimum and Cody get a clean win Don't need Jey to do a superkick into Crossrhodes. Once again if you are going to give Cody the rub, don't bullshit your way to it And I know I harp on about the AEW negotiation things but, like, what looks better to show to a Ricky Starks or even a Kenny Omega? “We’ll book you to win and you’ll great doing it” or “We’ll book you to win the title but only with some help of another talent that almost overshadows your own story”? Because we are at a point where this stuff matters. The people who like Cody and want to see him do well will be watching at WrestleMania, Cody would have taught them to bet on themselves with this stuff. And that's def one part of it but one they got in the back of their head in terms of luring talent over But just in general, if you are going to put someone over, put them over fully. People complained hard about 50/50 booking and that's what that is if you trying to compromise. Sami, Jey, Drew etc.., all the Ls they have taken need to be paid off in full to someone. Once Roman takes that L clean as a sheet, then you can muddy it up and add other factors but it will be a big mistake to not get the title off him in a clean way Omega, Bucks, Starks, MJF are all watching. If the man who helped start AEW and left and he somehow got more success in WWE is going crazy, even if they never thought about leaving, doubt would be creeping in their mind for sure
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Post by ltond56 on Feb 20, 2023 13:03:35 GMT -5
I expect some shenanigans but rather that be kept to the minimum and Cody get a clean win Don't need Jey to do a superkick into Crossrhodes. Once again if you are going to give Cody the rub, don't bullshit your way to it That sounds about right. Cody can use help to overcome the entire Bloodline, but there should be no question that he's better than Roman right now. Personally, I'm hoping that we don't see Jey temporarily reunite with the Bloodline before Mania. A fitting conclusion to Mania would be Jimmy deciding not to help Roman when he needs it most. Roman comes to the realization that he's all alone and then Cody puts him away for the dramatic title win. We get the contrast of Cody winning the titles(s) and Roman losing everything all at once.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 20, 2023 13:12:15 GMT -5
I expect some shenanigans but rather that be kept to the minimum and Cody get a clean win Don't need Jey to do a superkick into Crossrhodes. Once again if you are going to give Cody the rub, don't bullshit your way to it That sounds about right. Cody can use help to overcome the entire Bloodline, but there should be no question that he's better than Roman right now. Personally, I'm hoping that we don't see Jey temporarily reunite with the Bloodline before Mania. A fitting conclusion to Mania would be Jimmy deciding not to help Roman when he needs it most. Roman comes to the realization that he's all alone and then Cody puts him away for the dramatic title win. We get the contrast of Cody winning the titles(s) and Roman losing everything all at once. I’d do it where Cody gets the better of Roman at every one-on-one encounter they may have, with Roman only getting the upper hand due to Bloodline f***ery, just to make this further clearer.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 20, 2023 13:12:30 GMT -5
I expect some shenanigans but rather that be kept to the minimum and Cody get a clean win Don't need Jey to do a superkick into Crossrhodes. Once again if you are going to give Cody the rub, don't bullshit your way to it I think the one thing we’re underestimating in all of this is that people still f***ing love Roman. The internet fans are ready for this to be over, but there are genuinely casuals left that just like going to shows and holding up the one finger. I saw it myself watching EC this weekend. A straight up win is just the easiest way not to upset folks. Of course people love Roman. I had my Bloodline shirt on at WM last year. When I went to RAW last week one of my friends said they hate Sami Zayn for messing up the Bloodline I think ultimately, the people are invested. Roman is the top act and has been for years. He's doing everything they have wanted him to do as a top guy. Roman has said himself, he is ready to step away but he's not going to give his number 1 spot away, someone is going to have to take it. Once this is all said and done and everything has been paid off. The fans will love for Roman to f*** people up as a babyface. But the business at hand now is the two of the most popular acts on the roster facing off in the main event and getting a winner which WWE has shied away from before
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Post by ltond56 on Feb 20, 2023 13:16:30 GMT -5
That sounds about right. Cody can use help to overcome the entire Bloodline, but there should be no question that he's better than Roman right now. Personally, I'm hoping that we don't see Jey temporarily reunite with the Bloodline before Mania. A fitting conclusion to Mania would be Jimmy deciding not to help Roman when he needs it most. Roman comes to the realization that he's all alone and then Cody puts him away for the dramatic title win. We get the contrast of Cody winning the titles(s) and Roman losing everything all at once. I’d do it where Cody gets the better of Roman at every one-on-one encounter they may have, with Roman only getting the upper hand due to Bloodline f***ery, just to make this further clearer. Yeah, that would be the best story to tell for everyone involved. The Bloodline assistance keeps Roman in the fight but his luck eventually runs out, ideally after Jimmy refuses to help him. This would also be the best situation for Cody's long term booking. I don't think it hurts Cody in the slightest if Roman looks weak at Mania. If anything, it adds a chip on Cody's shoulder to prove that he can defend the belt against a series of challengers, many of which had gotten screwed by the Bloodline.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 20, 2023 13:18:09 GMT -5
I expect some shenanigans but rather that be kept to the minimum and Cody get a clean win Don't need Jey to do a superkick into Crossrhodes. Once again if you are going to give Cody the rub, don't bullshit your way to it That sounds about right. Cody can use help to overcome the entire Bloodline, but there should be no question that he's better than Roman right now. Personally, I'm hoping that we don't see Jey temporarily reunite with the Bloodline before Mania. A fitting conclusion to Mania would be Jimmy deciding not to help Roman when he needs it most. Roman comes to the realization that he's all alone and then Cody puts him away for the dramatic title win. We get the contrast of Cody winning the titles(s) and Roman losing everything all at once. Like I was saying, I expect f***ery This won't be a straight up clean one on one contest. Solo or Usos will probably interfere to help Roman and Cody will kick out of everything with Roman getting more and more frustrated. Maybe KO and Sami come for the save to even the odds and run them off so it is just Roman and Cody in the ring, we shall see Roman will pull out every bag of tricks that has won him matches. From the low blow, to Bloodline, Heyman etc...The most surprising route I can see them going is Roman basically getting paranoid and telling them all to f*** off in the build up to Mania and when he really needs their help they turn their back on him It is going to be drama and I expect a debate on how "clean" was Cody win over Roman
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Feb 20, 2023 13:20:29 GMT -5
I feel like I’m being gaslit to hell when people say this wasn’t a massively missed opportunity. Can I just say that I think this is a really inappropriate use of the term "gaslit". The way this term has been trivialized online really frustrates me as a gaslighting victim. Gaslighting is a form of abuse, and people disagreeing with you about wrestling booking is not abuse.
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 20, 2023 13:24:45 GMT -5
If they don't have a clean finish to Cody/Roman it will be the dumbest thing in wrestling since the Invasion.
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Post by ltond56 on Feb 20, 2023 13:29:43 GMT -5
That sounds about right. Cody can use help to overcome the entire Bloodline, but there should be no question that he's better than Roman right now. Personally, I'm hoping that we don't see Jey temporarily reunite with the Bloodline before Mania. A fitting conclusion to Mania would be Jimmy deciding not to help Roman when he needs it most. Roman comes to the realization that he's all alone and then Cody puts him away for the dramatic title win. We get the contrast of Cody winning the titles(s) and Roman losing everything all at once. Like I was saying, I expect f***ery This won't be a straight up clean one on one contest. Solo or Usos will probably interfere to help Roman and Cody will kick out of everything with Roman getting more and more frustrated. Maybe KO and Sami come for the save to even the odds and run them off so it is just Roman and Cody in the ring, we shall see Roman will pull out every bag of tricks that has won him matches. From the low blow, to Bloodline, Heyman etc...The most surprising route I can see them going is Roman basically getting paranoid and telling them all to f*** off in the build up to Mania and when he really needs their help they turn their back on him It is going to be drama and I expect a debate on how "clean" was Cody win over Roman If done correctly, there should be no question that Cody was the much better man at Mania, especially after Roman needed help at the Rumble and Elimination Chamber. It puts Cody in a position of needing to prove himself against the rest of the roster, and also lines up time off for Roman to "reflect" on his downfall. I really hope Roman disappears for a while and returns as somewhat of a tweener. He returns with a renewed sense of determination but it doesn't necessarily mean that he's able to steamroll everyone in his path. If anything, it's an uphill battle for him to regain his edge.
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Post by ltond56 on Feb 20, 2023 13:33:17 GMT -5
If they don't have a clean finish to Cody/Roman it will be the dumbest thing in wrestling since the Invasion. Do you mean clean as in Cody doesn't get direct help against Roman? Or are you saying there should be no interference in the match at all? I would consider it a clean win if Cody survives a bunch of interference and Roman never gets the upper hand without assistance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 14:59:45 GMT -5
I feel like I’m being gaslit to hell when people say this wasn’t a massively missed opportunity. Can I just say that I think this is a really inappropriate use of the term "gaslit". The way this term has been trivialized online really frustrates me as a gaslighting victim. Gaslighting is a form of abuse, and people disagreeing with you about wrestling booking is not abuse. As someone who is also a victim of gaslighting, I completely apologize and can see where you're coming from. Won't happen again! Probably would've been better to instead allude to something like being told what you're seeing and hearing isn't there when it is but again, won't happen again now that's for sure.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 20, 2023 15:07:29 GMT -5
Can I just say that I think this is a really inappropriate use of the term "gaslit". The way this term has been trivialized online really frustrates me as a gaslighting victim. Gaslighting is a form of abuse, and people disagreeing with you about wrestling booking is not abuse. As someone who is also a victim of gaslighting, I completely apologize and can see where you're coming from. Won't happen again! Probably would've been better to instead allude to something like being told what you're seeing and hearing isn't there when it is but again, won't happen again now that's for sure. Damn bro you didn’t have to delete your account over it
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 20, 2023 15:19:33 GMT -5
If they don't have a clean finish to Cody/Roman it will be the dumbest thing in wrestling since the Invasion. Do you mean clean as in Cody doesn't get direct help against Roman? Or are you saying there should be no interference in the match at all? I would consider it a clean win if Cody survives a bunch of interference and Roman never gets the upper hand without assistance. I'm ok with that. I just don't want to see Roman lose because he gets beaten down by KO/Sami so Cody gets some weak ass win. I just don't want to see Cody lose because of #144 Uso Interference so Roman gets a weak ass win. I just want somebody to get a strong win. A pure clean win is probably going to be ultra-rare.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 20, 2023 15:25:00 GMT -5
Do you mean clean as in Cody doesn't get direct help against Roman? Or are you saying there should be no interference in the match at all? I would consider it a clean win if Cody survives a bunch of interference and Roman never gets the upper hand without assistance. I'm ok with that. I just don't want to see Roman lose because he gets beaten down by KO/Sami so Cody gets some weak ass win. I just don't want to see Cody lose because of #144 Uso Interference so Roman gets a weak ass win. I just want somebody to get a strong win. A pure clean win is probably going to be ultra-rare. Do it like how Daniel Bryan won at WM30. He himself won cleanly and survived all the BS the Authority threw at him.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Feb 20, 2023 15:57:21 GMT -5
As someone who is also a victim of gaslighting, I completely apologize and can see where you're coming from. Won't happen again! Probably would've been better to instead allude to something like being told what you're seeing and hearing isn't there when it is but again, won't happen again now that's for sure. Damn bro you didn’t have to delete your account over it This is definitely not the result I intended :/
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Post by stoptheclocks on Feb 21, 2023 3:01:41 GMT -5
I think some of the Sami/KO stuff is us making up a story the company ain’t going to tell. I mean, they might, but their track record isn’t great for that. And I get people saying he has to earn it but, well, the people think he has. They were quick to start cheering him again. Weirdly, that’s sort of how wrestling characters mostly worked. Going back to the 2001 example, November 2001 Stone Cold was cheered again even after spending most of it being the biggest turd the world had ever seen. That’s just wrestling. I have no idea what they'll do from this point. But the intention last night was 1000% to suggest that KO still has heat with Sami, but would stop short of wanting to see him get murdered. The way KO wanted absolutely nothing to do with Sami afterwards was fairly un-subtle. That's not people on here making up a story. KO is historically one of the most self-aware characters on the roster, so I bet that it will be covered off. They did mention it. Good storytelling.
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