Chiral
Salacious Crumb
Posts: 74,014
|
Post by Chiral on Feb 19, 2023 17:31:05 GMT -5
If it makes anyone feel better, statistically speaking it's much more likely Cody loses to Roman at Wrestlemania the same way Sami, Drew, and the rest did!!!!!!!!
|
|
|
Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Feb 19, 2023 17:57:10 GMT -5
Even by Roman Reigns standards that was a lame ass wet fart of an ending.
|
|
|
Post by polarbearpete on Feb 19, 2023 19:49:56 GMT -5
If it makes anyone feel better, statistically speaking it's much more likely Cody loses to Roman at Wrestlemania the same way Sami, Drew, and the rest did!!!!!!!! Betting odds have Cody at -500 to win , which is about 83% chance to win!
|
|
Chiral
Salacious Crumb
Posts: 74,014
|
Post by Chiral on Feb 19, 2023 19:58:45 GMT -5
If it makes anyone feel better, statistically speaking it's much more likely Cody loses to Roman at Wrestlemania the same way Sami, Drew, and the rest did!!!!!!!! Betting odds have Cody at -500 to win , which is about 83% chance to win! what the gambling facilities aren't putting stock into is the raw data of Roman always winning everything forever, by the Wrestling Data™ of his undefeated in title matches outside of one DQ and the Wins When He Shouldn't Have Quotient being much higher than any other heel world champion before him it's plain to see that mathematically the odds are in his favor for having a flat finish where he wins against Cody at Wrestlemania and the numbers don't lie
|
|
|
Post by ltond56 on Feb 19, 2023 20:07:12 GMT -5
This was the first PPV (sorry, PLE) that I watched in full and live as it happened since WrestleMania 35, and it's only the third one I watched in full and live as it happened since 2002. I watched WrestleManis 35 for Bryan vs. Kofi. I watched Elimination Chamber for Sami Zayn, and for this crowd that I knew was going to be out of its mind for him. It takes a lot to get me to watch the current product, but a well-booked, emotionally charged underdog story will do it. WWE had all the ingredients here for a once-in-a-decade moment. The match itself did not disappoint, up to the finish. And I think Roman is absolutely brilliant as a heel. But I do think WWE failed to catch the wave on this one. Here's what I want to see now, although I don't think it'll happen: 1. Sami somehow is added to the Roman-Cody match at WrestleMania to make it a triple threat. Could be a one-fall match for both belts, or a two-fall match with one fall for each belt (like the Angle-Benoit-Jericho match at WM2000). 2. Cody says he's agreeable to this and happy for Sami but is clearly not 100% cool with it. 3. If it's a one-fall match, Jey turns on Roman at the climax, allowing Sami to win the match and the unified titles. If it's a two-fall match, Cody wins the first fall and belt, and Jey's turn on Roman allows Sami to win the second. 4. Roman vs. Jey is a given, with Jey finally getting his justice and sending Roman off to Hollywood. 5. And Cody Rhodes, whose big crowning WrestleMania moment has been either watered down or outright swiped from him because of Sami's involvement, loses his ever-loving shit on Sami and goes full American Nightmare heel. I've been completely against a two-fall triple threat until your 5th suggestion. Cody as a face has limited shelf life, at least in my opinion, whereas his current persona could be a top heel for years if done correctly. He would have such a gold mine of promo material. I also like the concept of the "American Nightmare" being the antithesis of the "American Dream".
|
|
|
Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 20:10:39 GMT -5
A Cody heel turn should be saved for way down the line
WWE is possibly finishing a 3 year long heel run. Makes no sense to turn possibly your top babyface heel. If you are going to turn Cody it should be down the line when he is cocky and high on his own supply (in a way people thought what was going to happen in AEW)
|
|
|
Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 19, 2023 20:56:35 GMT -5
The solution to WWE having two over marketable baby faces isn’t to turn one of them heel
|
|
|
Post by ltond56 on Feb 19, 2023 20:57:13 GMT -5
A Cody heel turn should be saved for way down the line WWE is possibly finishing a 3 year long heel run. Makes no sense to turn possibly your top babyface heel. If you are going to turn Cody it should be down the line when he is cocky and high on his own supply (in a way people thought what was going to happen in AEW) I can't disagree with you regarding the lack of a top babyface by going this route. That being said, I think Seth could hold things down for a bit, and then Roman should return as somewhat of a tweener after taking some time off. The scenario suggested above would also have Sami carrying one of the titles for a bit. As a personal preference, I think Cody turning heel further down the line wouldn't work nearly as well. I envision everyone expecting a celebration and final homage to Dusty on the Raw after Mania, only for Cody to slowly lose his mind during a signature promo. The tears are there and the tone is normal at first, but he slowly expresses bitterness and resentment for his moment getting ruined. Cody as an obsessive egomaniac has the potential to be an all-time great heel persona. I don't see the same upside in him as a babyface, but maybe he'll prove me wrong.
|
|
|
Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 19, 2023 20:58:09 GMT -5
A Cody heel turn should be saved for way down the line WWE is possibly finishing a 3 year long heel run. Makes no sense to turn possibly your top babyface heel. If you are going to turn Cody it should be down the line when he is cocky and high on his own supply (in a way people thought what was going to happen in AEW) Also, I feel the length of Roman’s, well, reign justifies WWE giving Cody’s face character a significant amount of time on top, simply for being a new change of direction. After two to three years of the Bloodline running roughshod I think it’s time for a heroic wrestler to be The Ace for a bit (at least among the men). The WWE fans haven’t that in a while so it’d be fresh. There’s no sense of Codyverse Fatigue that AEW fans held here. So I’m not against a heel Cody down the road because he’s been a fantastic villain before, but I don’t think that should even be considered until 2024 or if the crowds are vocally turning on him suddenly.
|
|
|
Post by ltond56 on Feb 19, 2023 21:03:12 GMT -5
The solution to WWE having two over marketable baby faces isn’t to turn one of them heel I'm very skeptical about Cody lasting as a top baby face, at least to the extent that he's clearly better than every alternative over the long run. The right booking would certainly help, and my faith in WWE has definitely increased with the Bloodline angle, but I'm very concerned about Cody's character after he wins the title that has eluded his family. My preferred outcome certainly isn't the safest. I just think it has the most upside for Cody and WWE.
|
|
|
Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 21:07:24 GMT -5
A Cody heel turn should be saved for way down the line WWE is possibly finishing a 3 year long heel run. Makes no sense to turn possibly your top babyface heel. If you are going to turn Cody it should be down the line when he is cocky and high on his own supply (in a way people thought what was going to happen in AEW) I can't disagree with you regarding the lack of a top babyface by going this route. That being said, I think Seth could hold things down for a bit, and then Roman should return as somewhat of a tweener after taking some time off. The scenario suggested above would also have Sami carrying one of the titles for a bit. As a personal preference, I think Cody turning heel further down the line wouldn't work nearly as well. I envision everyone expecting a celebration and final homage to Dusty on the Raw after Mania, only for Cody to slowly lose his mind during a signature promo. The tears are there and the tone is normal at first, but he slowly expresses bitterness and resentment for his moment getting ruined. Cody as an obsessive egomaniac has the potential to be an all-time great heel persona. I don't see the same upside in him as a babyface, but maybe he'll prove me wrong. Imo Cody is a better heel than face but you can't take that route now It would make no sense and throw everything out the window. The fans don't want heel Cody right now
|
|
|
Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 19, 2023 21:09:36 GMT -5
The solution to WWE having two over marketable baby faces isn’t to turn one of them heel I'm very skeptical about Cody lasting as a top baby face, at least to the extent that he's clearly better than every alternative over the long run. The right booking would certainly help, and my faith in WWE has definitely increased with the Bloodline angle, but I'm very concerned about Cody's character after he wins the title that has eluded his family. My preferred outcome certainly isn't the safest. I just think it has the most upside for Cody and WWE. They’ll cross that bridge when they get to it. You can say the same thing for a Sami win. What’s Sami’s character when he’s not in this bloodline story anymore and doesn’t have Reigns to bounce off of? Jumping the gun does no one any good. And turning a guy who’s currently selling tickets and merch like mad in Cody right now is not a “unsafe” move, it’s just not a smart one in this moment in time.
|
|
|
Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 21:12:39 GMT -5
A Cody heel turn should be saved for way down the line WWE is possibly finishing a 3 year long heel run. Makes no sense to turn possibly your top babyface heel. If you are going to turn Cody it should be down the line when he is cocky and high on his own supply (in a way people thought what was going to happen in AEW) Also, I feel the length of Roman’s, well, reign justifies WWE giving Cody’s face character a significant amount of time on top, simply for being a new change of direction. After two to three years of the Bloodline running roughshod I think it’s time for a heroic wrestler to be The Ace for a bit (at least among the men). The WWE fans haven’t that in a while so it’d be fresh. There’s no sense of Codyverse Fatigue that AEW fans held here. So I’m not against a heel Cody down the road because he’s been a fantastic villain before, but I don’t think that should even be considered until 2024 or if the crowds are vocally turning on him suddenly. Cody does not need a long reign as champion. In fact, I rather they break it up. I expect to him have a few year run on top as heel and face but in regards to this first year, I think 6 months is perfect length for his reign and he can lose it, get it back and then defend it most likely at next Mania where he can then put someone over Seth, Cody, KO, Sami, over the last few months have basically become top babyfaces. You can add in Lashley (who is inbetween right now), Lesnar, Wyatt also on the shades of gray list that can be babyfaces Let the babyface roster be strong for a little bit.
|
|
|
Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 21:16:54 GMT -5
I'm very skeptical about Cody lasting as a top baby face, at least to the extent that he's clearly better than every alternative over the long run. The right booking would certainly help, and my faith in WWE has definitely increased with the Bloodline angle, but I'm very concerned about Cody's character after he wins the title that has eluded his family. My preferred outcome certainly isn't the safest. I just think it has the most upside for Cody and WWE. They’ll cross that bridge when they get to it. You can say the same thing for a Sami win. What’s Sami’s character when he’s not in this bloodline story anymore and doesn’t have Reigns to bounce off of? Jumping the gun does no one any good. And turning a guy who’s currently selling tickets and merch like mad in Cody right now is not a “unsafe” move, it’s just not a smart one in this moment in time. Yeah, that is something a lot of people overlook Cody has a lot of room after this with Roman. If/When he wins the title, he doesn't need much to make a story work and we know what he can do with a story. If the fans turn on Cody, you make your switch then but he's still a very hot act and making him heel is even worse than would been having Sami get the win at EC
|
|
mrbananagrabber
King Koopa
Paul Heyman's unofficial joke writer
Posts: 11,822
|
Post by mrbananagrabber on Feb 19, 2023 21:19:52 GMT -5
Were people seriously expecting Sami to win?
I think it’s unfortunate timing with Cody coming back and the whole “winner faces the champ” at the Rumble. Because in another time Sami 100% should have won, but given how this all pans out there was no f***ing way they were going to have Cody vs Sami.
The returning hero from The Other Side who fought with one arm in a steel cage vs the beloved underdog who did the impossible and beat Roman? That doesn’t make a lick of sense.
|
|
|
Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 19, 2023 21:22:00 GMT -5
Turning Cody right now would probably end up like turning Punk during his title reign did, tanking his merch sales and really killing a ton of his momentum and aura.
|
|
|
Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 19, 2023 21:25:23 GMT -5
Turning Cody right now would probably end up like turning Punk during his title reign did, tanking his merch sales and really killing a ton of his momentum and aura. Man that was forced. But I think Punks merch tanked because the only merch he had was that godawful yellow GTS shirt lol
|
|
|
Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 21:25:41 GMT -5
Turning Cody right now would probably end up like turning Punk during his title reign did, tanking his merch sales and really killing a ton of his momentum and aura. At least Punk was champ for a while before they even did that tho the injury did not help matters
|
|
|
Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 19, 2023 21:25:43 GMT -5
The solution to WWE having two over marketable baby faces isn’t to turn one of them heel When I was a kid in 2004, Eddie Guerrero and John Cena were both the most popular and marketable faces in the company. Now Cena was a 26 year old kid at the time, but Eddie was more white hot and it was HIS year and Cena was still given the US title and we all know what happened the year after. Sami winning the tag titles will be his Cena Mania XX moment, and then next year he can win the wwe championship.
|
|
|
Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 19, 2023 21:26:42 GMT -5
My lack of worry over Rhodes in that top good guy position comes from the fact AEW already had top faces lined up people were invested in, namely Mox, Hangman, pre-muffin Punk, Bryan, etc. He was being booked as the ace of an upper-midcard belt and was locked in a “no world title” stip that he couldn’t break without a turn, not to mention Tony was clearly nudging him to go bad but Cody wasn’t feeling that role at the time. It all felt very awkward, the internal conflicts on where The American Nightmare character was headed was showing and I think that made the AEW fandom more frustrated.
That hasn’t really happened yet since Cody resigned with The E because here he’s seen as someone who’s “all grown up” from the Legacy/Dashing/Stardust years and made it big in the greater wrestling world.
There’s no Arn giving him tough love, no Malaki to rant about how fake he is or any weird US-vs-UK nonsense, his booking has been refreshingly simpler since he returned- just Cody being a passionate badass. I think they can keep that version of him over for another year at least if they’re smart and they protect him properly.
|
|