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Post by eJm on Feb 18, 2023 23:58:12 GMT -5
I mean, that was an entire different circumstance. Rock and Austin at that point were the two biggest stars in the company, the two biggest faces and it was in Austin’s home state. There wasn’t another match you could do that made sense than that one. If anything, Cody/Roman has more in common right now. That said, we all know how Mania X7 turned out with Rock/Austin being not truly face vs. face. (Even if WWE’s attempts to turn Austin heel in his home state kinda got borked) Oh no, the match itself was different but the circumstances made all the logical sense. Rock/Austin hadn’t done a 1 on 1 for ages, they were at their drawing peak, you might as well do it before The Rock shot The Scorpion King, it all aligned. Like, HHH just faced Austin the previous month and nobody was going to believe Angle was going to beat Austin until the Summer of that year.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 18, 2023 23:58:25 GMT -5
I mean KO had ample reason to help Sami despite Sami not doing the same for him just because his primary character motivation over the past few months has been, "F*** Roman Reigns."
In general that's part of what makes the Bloodline so damn frustrating, they continually cheat and watch each other's backs but the faces are never smart enough to do the same even when it logically benefits them.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 18, 2023 23:58:48 GMT -5
Had to sacrifice the best long term story line for Orton 2.0 aka Hhh 3.0 aka Cody Rhodes Sure, let's be completely blase about it even though Cody is crazy over.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 19, 2023 0:00:21 GMT -5
I mean KO had ample reason to help Sami despite Sami not doing the same for him just because his primary character motivation over the past few months has been, "F*** Roman Reigns." In general that's part of what makes the Bloodline so damn frustrating, they continually cheat and watch each other's backs but the faces are never smart enough to do the same even when it logically benefits them. To be fair, your last point has generally been the case since like..forever
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Post by eJm on Feb 19, 2023 0:02:35 GMT -5
Had to sacrifice the best long term story line for Orton 2.0 aka Hhh 3.0 aka Cody Rhodes Sure, let's be completely blase about it even though Cody is crazy over. Yeah, look, let’s not be silly. Whatever you think of Cody, he’s a draw. He got ratings up when he was teased to debut this time last year. He sold out merch during Rumble weekend and the Raw after. It’s logical he’s the guy to dethrone Roman because of everything that’s happened this year. And they’ll stick the landing for that. Otherwise? Hoo boy.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 0:03:51 GMT -5
KO had no reason to help Sami during the title match, Sami didn't help him He just saved him from getting hurt I mean, maybe? But he still has problems with the Usos so even if you’re not helping Sami, you’re sorting out the two men who helped screw you from your title win last month. Yea, but this is a tit for tat situation. He could handled his problem with the Usos at any time he felt like it but it just so happened that he was able to repay a favor to Sami so that's only real reason he saved him after Sami turned his back on him multiple times. Sami may be a big babyface but he still has a lot to make up for That's just like Hangman Page having problems with The Bucks/Omega and The Bucks not helping Omega against Hangman when it came time to prove himself and they had the little awkward standoffs until he came back to actually save them from ReDragon
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Post by thecrusherwi on Feb 19, 2023 0:03:51 GMT -5
KO had no reason to help Sami win the title since Sami didn't help him He didn't want his friend to get hurt Yeah I said that earlier tonight that Sami in story deserved a bit of a receipt for the past few months. Sami was happily helping Roman screw KO at the last few PPVs and then took FOREVER to step in at the Rumble. Him and KO shouldn't be all buddy buddy overnight. I'm sure they'll eventually work things out and be hugging and crying at Wrestlemania but there's a month and a half and some story beats to go before they fully trust each other again. Agreed on the Sami needing some receipt. I get that he’s hot as a babyface, but from a story perspective, why should we root for this guy who was an enthusiastic stooge for the Bloodline for like a year to get a happy ending when he hasn’t really done a lot to atone for that yet? “Hey guys, maybe we don’t have to kill him.” was his grandiose babyface act. I think Sami got to show some babyface fire tonight and prove he was more than the weasel he was acting as, and Owens returned to save Sami from destruction to return the favor, but that’s all he owed him. I still think the Sami Zayn character hasn’t yet earned the right to have the glory. Building that is what the next six weeks are for.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 19, 2023 0:06:10 GMT -5
Yeah I said that earlier tonight that Sami in story deserved a bit of a receipt for the past few months. Sami was happily helping Roman screw KO at the last few PPVs and then took FOREVER to step in at the Rumble. Him and KO shouldn't be all buddy buddy overnight. I'm sure they'll eventually work things out and be hugging and crying at Wrestlemania but there's a month and a half and some story beats to go before they fully trust each other again. Agreed on the Sami needing some receipt. I get that he’s hot as a babyface, but from a story perspective, why should we root for this guy who was an enthusiastic stooge for the Bloodline for like a year to get a happy ending when he hasn’t really done a lot to atone for that yet? “Hey guys, maybe we don’t have to kill him.” was his grandiose babyface act. I think Sami got to show some babyface fire tonight and prove he was more than the weasel he was acting as, and Owens returned to save Sami from destruction to return the favor, but that’s all he owed him. I still think the Sami Zayn character hasn’t yet earned the right to have the glory. Building that is what the next seven weeks are for. So in the EC thread I noted I was at a very pro-Roman bar and the general vibe was Sami was a “lackey” that wasn’t on Roman’s level. Kind of interesting because I can see their point to a degree.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 19, 2023 0:06:51 GMT -5
Yeah I said that earlier tonight that Sami in story deserved a bit of a receipt for the past few months. Sami was happily helping Roman screw KO at the last few PPVs and then took FOREVER to step in at the Rumble. Him and KO shouldn't be all buddy buddy overnight. I'm sure they'll eventually work things out and be hugging and crying at Wrestlemania but there's a month and a half and some story beats to go before they fully trust each other again. Agreed on the Sami needing some receipt. I get that he’s hot as a babyface, but from a story perspective, why should we root for this guy who was an enthusiastic stooge for the Bloodline for like a year to get a happy ending when he hasn’t really done a lot to atone for that yet? “Hey guys, maybe we don’t have to kill him.” was his grandiose babyface act. I think Sami got to show some babyface fire tonight and prove he was more than the weasel he was acting as, and Owens returned to save Sami from destruction to return the favor, but that’s all he owed him. I still think the Sami Zayn character hasn’t yet earned the right to have the glory. Building that is what the next six weeks are for. Kinda reminds me of how before being tag champs post-Shield, Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose had to work out their problems before becoming a team.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 0:06:56 GMT -5
Had to sacrifice the best long term story line for Orton 2.0 aka Hhh 3.0 aka Cody Rhodes Sure, let's be completely blase about it even though Cody is crazy over. Acting like Cody isn't over is crazy I get fans have a what have you done for me lately mentality but imagine a year ago you said Cody would come into WWE, possibly main event a Mania and lose. People would lost their minds. Hell, people were scared if he suffered an L against Rollins that Vince would lose all hope in him Cody was a made man from the time he tore his pec and still wrestled (He's an idiot for that) and he has gone above and beyond to keep what he worked for
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Post by eJm on Feb 19, 2023 0:07:52 GMT -5
I think some of the Sami/KO stuff is us making up a story the company ain’t going to tell. I mean, they might, but their track record isn’t great for that.
And I get people saying he has to earn it but, well, the people think he has. They were quick to start cheering him again. Weirdly, that’s sort of how wrestling characters mostly worked. Going back to the 2001 example, November 2001 Stone Cold was cheered again even after spending most of it being the biggest turd the world had ever seen. That’s just wrestling.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 19, 2023 0:08:27 GMT -5
It was a great match with an incredible atmosphere but I think the wrong guy won here. And even if you pick Roman to win, I think the finish felt flat.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 19, 2023 0:09:06 GMT -5
Sure, let's be completely blase about it even though Cody is crazy over. Acting like Cody isn't over is crazy I get fans have a what have you done for me lately mentality but imagine a year ago you said Cody would come into WWE, possibly main event a Mania and lose. People would lost their minds. Hell, people were scared if he suffered an L against Rollins that Vince would lose all hope in him Cody was a made man from the time he tore his pec and still wrestled (He's an idiot for that) and he has gone above and beyond to keep what he worked for People keep treating Cody as if he was still in AEW as the polarizing figure who couldn’t even get cheers after putting himself through a fiery table. It’s different circumstances now.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 19, 2023 0:12:09 GMT -5
I definitely think they should've just let shit happen in a month that isn't April for once and put Sami over, but I'm not really too bothered by it if if Cody wins at Mania and Sami subsequently gets his proper revenge later. If it ends up just being LOLBLOODLINEWINS as usual though then I'm looking back on this as completely braindead. Yeah holy shit if they have Roman go over at mania I might burn down my house
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 0:14:09 GMT -5
Acting like Cody isn't over is crazy I get fans have a what have you done for me lately mentality but imagine a year ago you said Cody would come into WWE, possibly main event a Mania and lose. People would lost their minds. Hell, people were scared if he suffered an L against Rollins that Vince would lose all hope in him Cody was a made man from the time he tore his pec and still wrestled (He's an idiot for that) and he has gone above and beyond to keep what he worked for People keep treating Cody as if he was still in AEW as the polarizing figure who couldn’t even get cheers after putting himself through a fiery table. It’s different circumstances now. I am not the biggest Cody fan but I have to give him credit for improving and in WWE having people just point in the direction of what works I hated NJPW kept trying to make him and Omega this epic feud when he wasn't on Omega level at the time. Cody could been champ in AEW and deserved it but he took himself out to stop fears (but he kept his ego in his own bubble which also hurt him). Now, he is at the point where he has earned it. He's come in and remained over. The fans have taken to him crazy The story from when he came in hasn't changed. He's part of a famous but dysfunctional wrestling family. He wants to add WWE championship gold to his family legacy and solidify their dynasty. The man in his way is the king of a long standing dynasty and current man of the company. It writes itself
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 0:15:27 GMT -5
I definitely think they should've just let shit happen in a month that isn't April for once and put Sami over, but I'm not really too bothered by it if if Cody wins at Mania and Sami subsequently gets his proper revenge later. If it ends up just being LOLBLOODLINEWINS as usual though then I'm looking back on this as completely braindead. Yeah holy shit if they have Roman go over at mania I might burn down my house If Roman goes over at Mania you might as well shut it down People (me) have only put up with the Drew/Sami loses with the assumption that Cody is winning since that storyline was basically formulated when he came into the company
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 19, 2023 0:16:35 GMT -5
After the first ref bump the match suffered for it. But the first 2/3 man its on my list for MOTY. Zayn losing cleanly wouldn't have been so bad IMO
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 0:23:38 GMT -5
After the first ref bump the match suffered for it. But the first 2/3 man its on my list for MOTY. Zayn losing cleanly wouldn't have been so bad IMOYea, but then you have an even worse reaction of people going overboard about them taking Sami heat and he will never be champion This was probably best way you could do it to fulfill all parameters. None of Roman usual bullshit worked against Sami and you saw the cracks almost fully breaking now due to this
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Post by Stu on Feb 19, 2023 0:26:48 GMT -5
I would've preferred Sami kick out one last time before Roman starts walloping him with the chair out of desperation. And it would need to be a good walloping, like what Austin did to Rock at X-Seven. But not what Rock did to Foley at the Rumble.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 19, 2023 0:28:03 GMT -5
Cody has to win at Mania
At this point if there is any other option I think WWE's gonna lose a lot of people with this
It's unfortunate everyone saw this coming, Sami was as over as he's ever been, in the end I hope he can retain that, but if this shit doesn't have closure at Mania and Roman wins again, god help us lol
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