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Post by canceled4truth on Feb 19, 2023 0:31:49 GMT -5
I don't like hyperbole, but Cody losing would be one of the worst booking decisions of all time. The only parallel that comes to mind is Lex Luger and Yokozuna. Even Sami and Drew were defensible — in my book, at least — because there was always the specter of "oh they're saving Roman's first loss for Cody," because he said in his first f***ing promo back with the company, the literal night after Roman unified the titles at Wrestlemania, "oh yeah I wanna win the title."
Like, they were telegraphing they wanted to make him the top babyface, and the fans were buying into it, and that was before the f***er suffered a debilitating injury and came back JUST in time to triumphantly win the Royal Rumble and main event the next Wrestlemania. I honestly don't know how you'd script that better. You can always have another show in the UK (maybe actually in Scotland this time, lmfao) or Montreal. But you will never have another opportunity to coronate a new top guy like this, and if HHH and co blow it, they destroy so much of the goodwill from fans they've built up over the past few months.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 0:35:31 GMT -5
You only have Drew and Sami lose if the plan was for Cody to win
If he doesn't win like I said that kills all interest. The mountain of shit you would have to climb just to get out of negative goodwill would not be worth it
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Post by eJm on Feb 19, 2023 0:36:36 GMT -5
I don't like hyperbole, but Cody losing would be one of the worst booking decisions of all time. The only parallel that comes to mind is Lex Luger and Yokozuna. Even Sami and Drew were defensible — in my book, at least — because there was always the specter of "oh they're saving Roman's first loss for Cody," because he said in his first f***ing promo back with the company, the literal night after Roman unified the titles at Wrestlemania, "oh yeah I wanna win the title." Like, they were telegraphing they wanted to make him the top babyface, and the fans were buying into it, and that was before the f***er suffered a debilitating injury and came back JUST in time to triumphantly win the Royal Rumble and main event the next Wrestlemania. I honestly don't know how you'd script that better. You can always have another show in the UK (maybe actually in Scotland this time, lmfao) or Montreal. But you will never have another opportunity to coronate a new top guy like this, and if HHH and co blow it, they destroy so much of the goodwill from fans they've built up over the past few months. All of this. I really, really don’t think they will (and even that is at 99% because WWE is still WWE) but it’s not even like Sami with the reaction, this is something they themselves have built up with Cody and used the injury as an added part of the story they’re building. How would you believe anything they do story wise if Cody can’t do it?
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Post by Dub H on Feb 19, 2023 0:38:07 GMT -5
I know its not the big point, but I definitely feel like they should have taken the satefy wheels off and went with Sami vs Cody.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 19, 2023 0:39:17 GMT -5
Had to sacrifice the best long term story line for Orton 2.0 aka Hhh 3.0 aka Cody Rhodes They actually treated it really well so far, but with tonight I feel the fear of Cody getting the AEW reaction all over again.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Feb 19, 2023 0:41:42 GMT -5
You only have Drew and Sami lose if the plan was for Cody to win If he doesn't win like I said that kills all interest. The mountain of shit you would have to climb just to get out of negative goodwill would not be worth it I am sure they will build Cody up, but the Roman arc feels like it peaked. They were never going to be able to match the emotion they naturally created with this story involving Sami and the bloodline
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Feb 19, 2023 0:42:47 GMT -5
Had to sacrifice the best long term story line for Orton 2.0 aka Hhh 3.0 aka Cody Rhodes They actually treated it really well so far, but with tonight I feel the fear of Cody getting the AEW reaction all over again. All Cody does is mention his father and utilize fan service to get cheap pops.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Feb 19, 2023 0:44:56 GMT -5
Cody has to win at Mania At this point if there is any other option I think WWE's gonna lose a lot of people with this It's unfortunate everyone saw this coming, Sami was as over as he's ever been, in the end I hope he can retain that, but if this shit doesn't have closure at Mania and Roman wins again, god help us lol Excluding Cena, the only faces to be as over as Sami in the last decade were CM Punk and Daniel Bryan. They squandered that because they signed Cody to a lot of money and need to justify it. That's really the only reason
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Post by Dub H on Feb 19, 2023 0:45:31 GMT -5
I feel like if anyone says it would be stupid to have Sami beat the long term champion and go face vs face at Mania, I need to point out one of the best liked events ever was WrestleMania X7, which followed Kurt Angle dropping the belt at No Way Out. I mean, that was an entire different circumstance. Rock and Austin at that point were the two biggest stars in the company, the two biggest faces and it was in Austin’s home state. There wasn’t another match you could do that made sense than that one. If anything, Cody/Roman has more in common right now. So are Cody and Sami honestly, biggest pops and biggest merch sales according to reports But I get that the story doesnt demand Sami vs Cody. But it demanded Sami to beat Roman.
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Post by Carefree Beach Life Gritizen on Feb 19, 2023 0:46:13 GMT -5
This finish was definitely a bit flat but that's primarily because they want to keep Jey a face. I can't even think of what else they could've done to set up everything they wanted which was Cody/Roman, KO & Sami/Usos and keep Jey a face. Adding Jey staying as a face made it damn near impossible to create a great finish to this match.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 19, 2023 0:47:16 GMT -5
They actually treated it really well so far, but with tonight I feel the fear of Cody getting the AEW reaction all over again. All Cody does is mention his father and utilize fan service to get cheap pops. I dont see why not. His promo on RAW with Sami helped solidify him as a face with the crowd.
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Post by Demented on Feb 19, 2023 0:49:18 GMT -5
Great match.
Great story.
I was sports entertained.
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Post by eJm on Feb 19, 2023 0:49:37 GMT -5
All Cody does is mention his father and utilize fan service to get cheap pops. I dont see why not. His promo on RAW with Sami helped solidify him as a face with the crowd. If they didn’t do that, I could believe there was a chance he’d be booed as a challenger. Now? I think he’ll be seen as the guy left to do it by the fans.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 0:49:45 GMT -5
I don't like hyperbole, but Cody losing would be one of the worst booking decisions of all time. The only parallel that comes to mind is Lex Luger and Yokozuna. Even Sami and Drew were defensible — in my book, at least — because there was always the specter of "oh they're saving Roman's first loss for Cody," because he said in his first f***ing promo back with the company, the literal night after Roman unified the titles at Wrestlemania, "oh yeah I wanna win the title." Like, they were telegraphing they wanted to make him the top babyface, and the fans were buying into it, and that was before the f***er suffered a debilitating injury and came back JUST in time to triumphantly win the Royal Rumble and main event the next Wrestlemania. I honestly don't know how you'd script that better. You can always have another show in the UK (maybe actually in Scotland this time, lmfao) or Montreal. But you will never have another opportunity to coronate a new top guy like this, and if HHH and co blow it, they destroy so much of the goodwill from fans they've built up over the past few months. Agree with all of this except it being one of the worst booking decisions of all time along with luger/yokozuna, that still lays solely with triple h vs booker t at mania imo
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Post by bog on Feb 19, 2023 0:54:49 GMT -5
To me it was just more ref bumps and conflicted Usos. I have yet to give a shit about a Reigns match and this didnt really change that
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 0:58:23 GMT -5
You only have Drew and Sami lose if the plan was for Cody to win If he doesn't win like I said that kills all interest. The mountain of shit you would have to climb just to get out of negative goodwill would not be worth it I am sure they will build Cody up, but the Roman arc feels like it peaked. They were never going to be able to match the emotion they naturally created with this story involving Sami and the bloodline That's fair to say and I can't say you are wrong as you basically had two people lose in their towns so you have to hope for a hell of a pop coming for Cody
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Feb 19, 2023 0:58:46 GMT -5
Reading this thread and reflecting on the Cody vs. Sami debate makes me think about the differences between coronating a king versus electing a leader. Cody is over. Cody winning the belts is logical. Cody defeating Reigns makes sense. But Sami is in the position to do these things too. Cody beating Reigns for the belts has felt like a foregone conclusion even before he returned to WWE, when rumours started to swirl that he was going to leave AEW for WWE. Sami, however, getting as over as he has over the llast 12 months (and maybe going back to his heel turn) such that we can entertain the thought that he could main event a Wrestlemania, in hindsight, seemed less foregone, and more exciting, to me, as a possibility. Using Sami to keep the tag titles warm with Owen seems like such a downgrade of an idea in comparison to what could be.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 0:59:35 GMT -5
All Cody does is mention his father and utilize fan service to get cheap pops. I dont see why not. His promo on RAW with Sami helped solidify him as a face with the crowd. He is also mentioning his father because that is the crux of his story
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Post by XIII on Feb 19, 2023 1:04:29 GMT -5
You only have Drew and Sami lose if the plan was for Cody to win If he doesn't win like I said that kills all interest. The mountain of shit you would have to climb just to get out of negative goodwill would not be worth it I am sure they will build Cody up, but the Roman arc feels like it peaked. They were never going to be able to match the emotion they naturally created with this story involving Sami and the bloodline I’ve got to agree with this. If Sami wasn’t going to win there should have been monumental movement in the Bloodline story. I’m sure that it will happen on TV but something big should have happened to set the wheels in motion tonight. Roman has to go into WM having lost everything other than the titles. No relatives, no Paul, no nothing. As for Cody he’ll probably be very over at WM as it will no doubt be a hardcore crowd from around the world, but I fully expect the fans to turn on him at some point during his reign as people will inevitably get tired of his over the top presentation and BS. If nothing else FOR THE LOVE OF JAH SPLIT THE TITLES AGAIN!
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Feb 19, 2023 1:07:18 GMT -5
The obsession with people trying to act like Cody is 2014 Batista is f***ing wild.
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