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Post by RadcapRadsley on Feb 19, 2023 1:10:11 GMT -5
This match proved again for the 821st time that Kevin Owens is the worst friend or ally anyone could hope for. Him only coming out to help Sami after he already lost was because he could not stomach the thought of Sami and not him removing Roman Reigns from the Island of Relevancy.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 19, 2023 1:11:18 GMT -5
I am sure they will build Cody up, but the Roman arc feels like it peaked. They were never going to be able to match the emotion they naturally created with this story involving Sami and the bloodline I’ve got to agree with this. If Sami wasn’t going to win there should have been monumental movement in the Bloodline story. I’m sure that it will happen on TV but something big should have happened to set the wheels in motion tonight. Roman has to go into WM having lost everything other than the titles. No relatives, no Paul, no nothing. As for Cody he’ll probably be very over at WM as it will no doubt be a hardcore crowd from around the world, but I fully expect the fans to turn on him at some point during his reign as people will inevitably get tired of his over the top presentation and BS. If nothing else FOR THE LOVE OF JAH SPLIT THE TITLES AGAIN! That all hinges on what they do with Jey between now and then.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 19, 2023 1:14:45 GMT -5
I’ve got to agree with this. If Sami wasn’t going to win there should have been monumental movement in the Bloodline story. I’m sure that it will happen on TV but something big should have happened to set the wheels in motion tonight. Roman has to go into WM having lost everything other than the titles. No relatives, no Paul, no nothing. As for Cody he’ll probably be very over at WM as it will no doubt be a hardcore crowd from around the world, but I fully expect the fans to turn on him at some point during his reign as people will inevitably get tired of his over the top presentation and BS. If nothing else FOR THE LOVE OF JAH SPLIT THE TITLES AGAIN! That all hinges on what they do with Jey between now and then. I feel like Jey will reluctantly join forces with Jimmy due to Roman blackmailing him and then he shakes hands with Sami after their tag title match and sticks it to Roman on night 2
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Post by XIII on Feb 19, 2023 1:16:54 GMT -5
I’ve got to agree with this. If Sami wasn’t going to win there should have been monumental movement in the Bloodline story. I’m sure that it will happen on TV but something big should have happened to set the wheels in motion tonight. Roman has to go into WM having lost everything other than the titles. No relatives, no Paul, no nothing. As for Cody he’ll probably be very over at WM as it will no doubt be a hardcore crowd from around the world, but I fully expect the fans to turn on him at some point during his reign as people will inevitably get tired of his over the top presentation and BS. If nothing else FOR THE LOVE OF JAH SPLIT THE TITLES AGAIN! That all hinges on what they do with Jey between now and then. Of course. It’s how I would book it and why I would have had a bit more development from the USO’s tonight. This is of course assuming that Roman is losing, if he’s winning then f*** it just have the Bloodline run wild LMAO. I think it makes the most sense for Roman to finally have no help and lose. To me it’s better than the Bloodline running in and getting ran off by some goobers or by Cody beating all of their asses.
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Post by Carefree Beach Life Gritizen on Feb 19, 2023 1:27:29 GMT -5
I think the ideal scenario for all this is going forward:
1. Cody wins the titles at Mania. 2. Cody decides he's going to split the titles and defends them both 3. Sami beats Cody for one of the titles 4. Sami beats Roman to retain whichever title he wins.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 19, 2023 1:44:46 GMT -5
I think the ideal scenario for all this is going forward: 1. Cody wins the titles at Mania. 2. Cody decides he's going to split the titles and defends them both 3. Sami beats Cody for one of the titles 4. Sami beats Roman to retain whichever title he wins. So Roman has to essentially take losses from Sami, Jey and Cody it feels like, but I feel like that shit needs to be spread out or what culminates in a face turn.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 19, 2023 1:51:47 GMT -5
The obsession with people trying to act like Cody is 2014 Batista is f***ing wild. There is an absolutely unhinged “comedy skit” that’s attached to the opening of Wrestling Observer live today that’s talking about WWE fans having to go on anti-depressants because Triple H jerked them around and is forcing another one of his friends down your throat.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Feb 19, 2023 1:54:43 GMT -5
I know this all still makes sense story wise, but personal grudge vs. Guy who won the Rumble leaves me preferring the former be the resolution.
I will say, without Vince at the helm, I’m hoping tonight leads to more than the gut punch it feels like.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 19, 2023 2:51:43 GMT -5
Match itself? Fantastic, old-school WWF/E storytelling.
THe Finish? A less of a wet fart version of Clash at The Castle.
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Post by bearned on Feb 19, 2023 3:27:59 GMT -5
Would have been nice for them to actually do a legit shocking victory for once and have Sami win for the absolutely nuclear pop that it would have caused.
I love me some overblown mega babyface Cody but man is it not just a little bit of a downer that something as organic feeling as the rise of Sami and the fall of the bloodline ends up kinda feeling like now Cody is third wheeling it because he’s the chosen one.
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Post by nisidhe on Feb 19, 2023 4:50:43 GMT -5
Even after such a convoluted title scenario, I think WWE is compelled at least to book one simple outcome: Roman Reigns leaves Wrestlemania as the former champion. Or else.
The Bloodline comes to and that weekend. Or else. Fans leave that stadium satisfied with the outcome. Or else.
That "or else" could be Roman coming out on Raw the following night to a packed house, but the TV ratings in relative freefall as possibly hundreds of thousands of viewers, having reached the end of their patience, decide that WWE can do without them. The "or else" could mean that house shows and subsequent PLEs fall off a cliff in the months following, such that not even a title loss at Summerslam will do much to correct it.
The "or else" could be enough to cause a panic with WWE stock and possibly a drop in the company's market value, making the prospect of a quick and profitable sale more remote.
It's troublesome that the narrative has become less about someone winning the title than about Roman dropping the belt, but there are seven weeks in the meantime during which anything can happen. The baseline narrative appears to be set; the question has now become how to build on that baseline to keep the fans engaged enough to keep watching past that Raw after Mania.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Feb 19, 2023 5:09:58 GMT -5
I think some of the Sami/KO stuff is us making up a story the company ain’t going to tell. I mean, they might, but their track record isn’t great for that. And I get people saying he has to earn it but, well, the people think he has. They were quick to start cheering him again. Weirdly, that’s sort of how wrestling characters mostly worked. Going back to the 2001 example, November 2001 Stone Cold was cheered again even after spending most of it being the biggest turd the world had ever seen. That’s just wrestling. I have no idea what they'll do from this point. But the intention last night was 1000% to suggest that KO still has heat with Sami, but would stop short of wanting to see him get murdered. The way KO wanted absolutely nothing to do with Sami afterwards was fairly un-subtle. That's not people on here making up a story. KO is historically one of the most self-aware characters on the roster, so I bet that it will be covered off.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Feb 19, 2023 5:16:20 GMT -5
Even after such a convoluted title scenario, I think WWE is compelled at least to book one simple outcome: Roman Reigns leaves Wrestlemania as the former champion. Or else. The Bloodline comes to and that weekend. Or else. Fans leave that stadium satisfied with the outcome. Or else. That "or else" could be Roman coming out on Raw the following night to a packed house, but the TV ratings in relative freefall as possibly hundreds of thousands of viewers, having reached the end of their patience, decide that WWE can do without them. The "or else" could mean that house shows and subsequent PLEs fall off a cliff in the months following, such that not even a title loss at Summerslam will do much to correct it. The "or else" could be enough to cause a panic with WWE stock and possibly a drop in the company's market value, making the prospect of a quick and profitable sale more remote. It's troublesome that the narrative has become less about someone winning the title than about Roman dropping the belt, but there are seven weeks in the meantime during which anything can happen. The baseline narrative appears to be set; the question has now become how to build on that baseline to keep the fans engaged enough to keep watching past that Raw after Mania. This is absurd hyperbole. Reigns should and will lose at WrestleMania. But the idea that him retaining will cause actual serious damage to the company is nonsense. It wouldn't be the #1 most unpopular match result involving Roman Reigns, let alone something that would tank the company
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 19, 2023 6:50:44 GMT -5
The obsession with people trying to act like Cody is 2014 Batista is f***ing wild. Yeah, it's getting silly now. Cody is over as f***. Brooklyn is a barometer crowd and he had them singing along to his entire theme. Had them equally cheering for him during his promo with Sami. His biggest test was last Monday night and he aced it.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Feb 19, 2023 7:09:01 GMT -5
How did Jimmy Uso get there? I thought he wasn't allowed in Canada To quote New Jack when he appeared in the locker room at an ECW show in Canada: “Man, that water was COLD!”
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 19, 2023 9:04:41 GMT -5
The obsession with people trying to act like Cody is 2014 Batista is f***ing wild. Yeah thats really weird. Cody is really over too and arguably he'd be more over if he didn't get injured.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 10:33:15 GMT -5
The obsession with people trying to act like Cody is 2014 Batista is f***ing wild. It looks like it is going to become the AEW equivalent of y'all get real weird when TK/Britt does anything
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Post by xCompackx on Feb 19, 2023 10:37:35 GMT -5
The Cody/Batista comparison is silly, but WWE does have an annoying tendency of presenting a choice the fans want and then pulling it away because it's not the plan. Like, say what you will about AEW not being great at pivoting sometimes, but WWE isn't any better.
But anyway, call it hyperbole or whatever, but I think I'm cool on the Bloodline stuff after last night. WWE had a real chance to finally tell a story from beginning to end with Sami while giving Roman some much needed comeuppance and further story lines with Jey and KO in the process, but all we got was another loss and more teasing. Like, am I asking too much as a wrestling fan to want decent storyline progression? I dunno, Sami really should've won the titles (or shit, even one of the titles if you want to do some Paul Heyman shenanigans) and there's a lot you could do from there with everyone involved. Plus you avoid the KO/Sami vs Usos thing which, sorry, isn't very interesting. Eh.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Feb 19, 2023 10:41:49 GMT -5
The Cody/Batista comparison is silly, but WWE does have an annoying tendency of presenting a choice the fans want and then pulling it away because it's not the plan. Like, say what you will about AEW not being great at pivoting sometimes, but WWE isn't any better. But anyway, call it hyperbole or whatever, but I think I'm cool on the Bloodline stuff after last night. WWE had a real chance to finally tell a story from beginning to end with Sami while giving Roman some much needed comeuppance and further story lines with Jey and KO in the process, but all we got was another loss and more teasing. Like, am I asking too much as a wrestling fan to want decent storyline progression? I dunno, Sami really should've won the titles (or shit, even one of the titles if you want to do some Paul Heyman shenanigans) and there's a lot you could do from there with everyone involved. Plus you avoid the KO/Sami vs Usos thing which, sorry, isn't very interesting. Eh. In comparison to AEW, Khan would never book this. That is a good thing in some respects because fans are rarely embittered by crushed expectations, but a bad thing also because prolonged title reigns need points like CATC where it feels like they ought to end but they just don't
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 10:55:29 GMT -5
I don't get the going away from fans choice tho
They wanted Cody months ago to be that guy. He just so happened to get injured and Sami got hot at the right moment. If this was June and not February, the chances would been better for Sami but you have 3 years worth of booking to pay off and to have him lose there in front of what should be the finish line would not been great.
Now, if Roman beats Cody at Mania than all bets are off. You basically kill Cody as a title holder for a hot min and you burn all the bridges along the way
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